Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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All the women had to do was stop the session. They didn't.
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1) If the prosecutor doesn't prove the case to the grand jury in order to achieve an indictment, they definitely won't be able to prove the case in a trial to achieve a conviction. Indictment is easier..
2) No, it absolutely would not "stand to reason" that a trial jury would go any other way.
a] The grand jury pool is the same pool as the trial pool. They're not different people.
b] At no point is it fathomable that a trial jury would Go A Different Way. Trial jury definitely won't consider all evidence 100% accurate, trial jury won't see all the evidence that a grand jury sees.
I spent 7 months of my life [3 days a week, 5 hours each of those days] on a grand jury looking at every case completed by the county in that time -- from misdemeanor drug all the way up to manslaughters. People on grand juries take the role seriously -- if we're going to be away from our normal world and take on this role, the DA needs to bring the A game. And our grand jury indicted on 99% of cases in front of us -- the DA really has to be wildly off-base to not get an indictment because the role of the grand jury is not to question the evidence.
I think some of you guys are arguing points I never made. And there are two separate discussion lines. The first was my contention, drawn from a YouTube video with sports guys talking about it, that the prosecutors in Texas didn't want to waste all that time. Canine believes otherwise. Fair enough. Moving on:
1 I have no doubt the evidence presented to the grand jury was not up to the standard needed to go forward with criminal prosecution. He said she said without solid evidence is a problem. Nobody wants to see a completely innocent man railroaded.
2 if the 30 cases had gone to court with 30 different juries I wouldn't bet that each and everyone would go his way. Beyond that it would most certainly take up a horrendous amount of the Court's time it could quite possibly drag on seemingly forever.
3 isn't a matter of fact or legality. Everybody has to decide for himself whether to believe that every one of these women is lying. I guess you can ask yourself why all these women who knew Watson fairly well would want to destroy his life and career by fabricating a story. That seems evil to me.
4 See #1. The grand jury didn't see enough solid evidence to go forward. That neither prove nor disprove anyting. That's all.
WSS
I think some of you guys are arguing points I never made. And there are two separate discussion lines. The first was my contention, drawn from a YouTube video with sports guys talking about it, that the prosecutors in Texas didn't want to waste all that time. Canine believes otherwise. Fair enough. Moving on:
1 I have no doubt the evidence presented to the grand jury was not up to the standard needed to go forward with criminal prosecution. He said she said without solid evidence is a problem. Nobody wants to see a completely innocent man railroaded.
2 if the 30 cases had gone to court with 30 different juries I wouldn't bet that each and everyone would go his way. Beyond that it would most certainly take up a horrendous amount of the Court's time it could quite possibly drag on seemingly forever.
3 isn't a matter of fact or legality. Everybody has to decide for himself whether to believe that every one of these women is lying. I guess you can ask yourself why all these women who knew Watson fairly well would want to destroy his life and career by fabricating a story. That seems evil to me.
4 See #1. The grand jury didn't see enough solid evidence to go forward. That neither prove nor disprove anyting. That's all.
WSS
So you want the Prosecutor to unbundle each case and present 12 different cases in the hope of bringing 12 bills of indictment and you believe there is more attention on each and Watson should have 12 eventual separate days in court- as some kind of special justice owed towards these allegations?
And I said 12 not 30. The Prosecutor didn’t present 30 cases. It can be surmised that Only 12 were deemed worthy/appropriate to be heard after months of investigation. The Prosecutors were privy to a lot of information for months that none of us had including the media.
On 3, you don’t think the prospect of financial gain could bring about fabrication? And you are an intelligent guy and from what I guess an elder to many of us here - have you witnessed or even heard of evil being done for financial gain? Lots of folks these days are certainly out for themselves.
On 4, it proves that a criminal proceeding and charges will not move forward.
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All the women had to do was stop the session. They didn't.
And before or after they got paid for the massage at some agreed upon price.
I don't remember hearing how much individually these MTs were getting paid ? And any other options by DW.
IS ANYONE ELSE TIRED OF THIS STUFF YET ?
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Why is the NFL only reviewing 5 of the cases? Isn’t the NFL interested in Justice
My bad just four. One of them was dropped during the NFL Hearing.
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Why is the NFL only reviewing 5 of the cases? Isn’t the NFL interested in Justice
My bad just four. One of them was dropped during the NFL Hearing.
Why is the NFL only reviewing 5 of the cases? Isn’t the NFL interested in Justice
My bad just four. One of them was dropped during the NFL Hearing.
Sounds like something from COURT TV. Some people just eat this stuff up, stay glued to their TVs and computers.
......" And next on Court TV, day 355 of the DW hearings, blah, blah, blah."
How long until DW takes meaningful snaps for the Cleveland BROWNS ?
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I think some of you guys are arguing points I never made. And there are two separate discussion lines. The first was my contention, drawn from a YouTube video with sports guys talking about it, that the prosecutors in Texas didn't want to waste all that time. Canine believes otherwise. Fair enough. Moving on:
1 I have no doubt the evidence presented to the grand jury was not up to the standard needed to go forward with criminal prosecution. He said she said without solid evidence is a problem. Nobody wants to see a completely innocent man railroaded.
2 if the 30 cases had gone to court with 30 different juries I wouldn't bet that each and everyone would go his way. Beyond that it would most certainly take up a horrendous amount of the Court's time it could quite possibly drag on seemingly forever.
3 isn't a matter of fact or legality. Everybody has to decide for himself whether to believe that every one of these women is lying. I guess you can ask yourself why all these women who knew Watson fairly well would want to destroy his life and career by fabricating a story. That seems evil to me.
4 See #1. The grand jury didn't see enough solid evidence to go forward. That neither prove nor disprove anyting. That's all.
WSS
So you want the Prosecutor to unbundle each case and present 12 different cases in the hope of bringing 12 bills of indictment and you believe there is more attention on each and Watson should have 12 eventual separate days in court- as some kind of special justice owed towards these allegations?
And I said 12 not 30. The Prosecutor didn’t present 30 cases. It can be surmised that Only 12 were deemed worthy/appropriate to be heard after months of investigation. The Prosecutors were privy to a lot of information for months that none of us had including the media.
On 3, you don’t think the prospect of financial gain could bring about fabrication? And you are an intelligent guy and from what I guess an elder to many of us here - have you witnessed or even heard of evil being done for financial gain? Lots of folks these days are certainly out for themselves.
On 4, it proves that a criminal proceeding and charges will not move forward.
So you want the Prosecutor to unbundle each case and present 12 different cases in the hope of bringing 12 bills of indictment and you believe there is more attention on each and Watson should have 12 eventual separate days in court- as some kind of special justice owed towards these allegations?
And I said 12 not 30. The Prosecutor didn’t present 30 cases. It can be surmised that Only 12 were deemed worthy/appropriate to be heard after months of investigation. The Prosecutors were privy to a lot of information for months that none of us had including the media.
On 3, you don’t think the prospect of financial gain could bring about fabrication? And you are an intelligent guy and from what I guess an elder to many of us here - have you witnessed or even heard of evil being done for financial gain? Lots of folks these days are certainly out for themselves.
On 4, it proves that a criminal proceeding and charges will not move forward.
1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?
Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.
And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?
By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.
WSS
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So you want the Prosecutor to unbundle each case and present 12 different cases in the hope of bringing 12 bills of indictment and you believe there is more attention on each and Watson should have 12 eventual separate days in court- as some kind of special justice owed towards these allegations?
And I said 12 not 30. The Prosecutor didn’t present 30 cases. It can be surmised that Only 12 were deemed worthy/appropriate to be heard after months of investigation. The Prosecutors were privy to a lot of information for months that none of us had including the media.
On 3, you don’t think the prospect of financial gain could bring about fabrication? And you are an intelligent guy and from what I guess an elder to many of us here - have you witnessed or even heard of evil being done for financial gain? Lots of folks these days are certainly out for themselves.
On 4, it proves that a criminal proceeding and charges will not move forward.
1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?
Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.
And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?
By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.
WSS
1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?
Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.
And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?
By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.
WSS
Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
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1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?
Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.
And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?
By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.
WSS
Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
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Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
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Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
Exactly. The criminal proceedings weren't going to happen. Depending on your point of view a great thing or a terrible thing about the United States legal system is that you can bypass the double jeopardy rule in a civil court for another bite of the apple. The grand jury had nothing to do with the civil cases the plaintiffs chose to settle. Had all of those cases gone to court I agree with Florio they would have been coin flips.
If I wasn't clear; my bad.
WSS
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Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
And two different outcomes.
A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.
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The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
And two different outcomes.
A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.
And two different outcomes.
A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.
No Doubt. And at this point it's a public relations issue anyway. Losing one or more of the civil cases after denying everything could bother a few people. Maybe not Nike but who knows? ?
WSS
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Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
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Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
Correct, kinda, and again those were two different issues in the same discussion. So we are good.
WSS
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Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
And as recent as a week ago I heard talk radio idiots who clearly don't know the difference between criminal and civil proceedings. "But even the lawyer for the women says Watson committed no crime" is the common take.
You can still cause harm to others without it being a crime you morons.
Depending on the circumstances an auto accident that causes harm to another can either be classified as a civil or criminal case.
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You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.
Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24?
C'mon man!
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You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.
Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24?
C'mon man!
You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.
Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24?
C'mon man!
I think he's now a "fabulously wealthy" class A nutjob who can throw a football very far......oh and the Cleveland Browns are married to him for the near and far future.
Broken record stuff now. Any thing new here ?
AND the soap opera continues......
GO BROWNS !
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