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  • @westside-steve said:

    1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?

    Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.

    And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?

    By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.

    WSS

    Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction. 
     

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction. 
     

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

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  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction. 
     

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

    The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed.  criminal and civil are two different proceedings.

    You are correct.  If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory.  In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.

  • @westside-steve said:

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

    The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed.  criminal and civil are two different proceedings.

    You are correct.  If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory.  In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.

    @ballpeen said:

    The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed.  criminal and civil are two different proceedings.

    You are correct.  If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory.  In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.

    Exactly. The criminal proceedings weren't going to happen. Depending on your point of view a great thing or a terrible thing about the United States legal system is that you can bypass the double jeopardy rule in a civil court for another bite of the apple. The grand jury had nothing to do with the civil cases the plaintiffs chose to settle. Had all of those cases gone to court I agree with Florio they would have been coin flips.

     If I wasn't clear; my bad.

    WSS

  • @westside-steve said:

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

    The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed.  criminal and civil are two different proceedings.

    You are correct.  If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory.  In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.

    @ballpeen said:

    The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed.  criminal and civil are two different proceedings.

    You are correct.  If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory.  In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.

     And two different outcomes.

    A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.

  • @ballpeen said:

    The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed.  criminal and civil are two different proceedings.

    You are correct.  If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory.  In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.

     And two different outcomes.

    A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.

    @fy56 said:

     And two different outcomes.

    A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.

    No Doubt. And at this point it's a public relations  issue anyway. Losing one or more of the civil cases after denying everything could bother a few people. Maybe not Nike but who knows? ?

    WSS

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction. 
     

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

    The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings.  Mixing these two creates head scratching 
     

    Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post 

  • @westside-steve said:

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

    The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings.  Mixing these two creates head scratching 
     

    Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings.  Mixing these two creates head scratching 
     

    Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post 

    Correct, kinda, and again those were two different issues in the same discussion. So we are good.

    WSS

  • @westside-steve said:

    Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.

    WSS

    The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings.  Mixing these two creates head scratching 
     

    Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings.  Mixing these two creates head scratching 
     

    Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post 

    And as recent as a week ago I heard talk radio idiots who clearly don't know the difference between criminal and civil proceedings. "But even the lawyer for the women says Watson committed no crime" is the common take.

    You can still cause harm to others without it being a crime you morons.

    Depending on the circumstances an auto accident that causes harm to another can either be classified as a civil or criminal case.

  • You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.

    Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24? 

    C'mon man!

  • You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.

    Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24? 

    C'mon man!

    @fy56 said:

    You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.

    Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24? 

    C'mon man!

    I think he's now a "fabulously wealthy" class A  nutjob who can throw a football very far......oh and the Cleveland Browns are married to him for the near and far future. 

    Broken record stuff now.   Any thing new here ?

    AND the soap opera continues......

    GO BROWNS  !

  • @fy56 said:

    You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.

    Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24? 

    C'mon man!

    I think he's now a "fabulously wealthy" class A  nutjob who can throw a football very far......oh and the Cleveland Browns are married to him for the near and far future. 

    Broken record stuff now.   Any thing new here ?

    AND the soap opera continues......

    GO BROWNS  !

    @mjp28 said:

    I think he's now a "fabulously wealthy" class A  nutjob who can throw a football very far......oh and the Cleveland Browns are married to him for the near and far future. 

    Broken record stuff now.   Any thing new here ?

    AND the soap opera continues......

    GO BROWNS  !

    No, nothing new...for most of us I presume.

  • @ballpeen said:

    The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed.  criminal and civil are two different proceedings.

    You are correct.  If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory.  In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.

     And two different outcomes.

    A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.

    @fy56 said:

     And two different outcomes.

    A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.

    Yes, I am well aware of the legal system.

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  • @sdbacker80 said:

    The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings.  Mixing these two creates head scratching 
     

    Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post 

    And as recent as a week ago I heard talk radio idiots who clearly don't know the difference between criminal and civil proceedings. "But even the lawyer for the women says Watson committed no crime" is the common take.

    You can still cause harm to others without it being a crime you morons.

    Depending on the circumstances an auto accident that causes harm to another can either be classified as a civil or criminal case.

    @fy56 said:

    And as recent as a week ago I heard talk radio idiots who clearly don't know the difference between criminal and civil proceedings. "But even the lawyer for the women says Watson committed no crime" is the common take.

    You can still cause harm to others without it being a crime you morons.

    Depending on the circumstances an auto accident that causes harm to another can either be classified as a civil or criminal case.

    Go figure The talking media m”asses” educating the populace on the legal system.

    Sure can fleeing the scene, stolen cars  DUIs, street racing, etc.  My wife works in insurance. 

  • @fy56 said:

    Watson prepared to sue the NFL.

    Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson ‘prepared’ to sue NFL in federal court if given 1-year suspension, reports say (msn.com)

    Geeezzz I wonder how long that might take ?   I hope this whole thing doesn't encroach into OJ  numbers. 

    I'm not keeping score but how long has this been going now, just curious and in about  17+ days  now coaches will be putting real players on the field to play against other teams.

    I for one can't wait.   GO BROWNS  !

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  • @fy56 said:

     And two different outcomes.

    A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.

    Yes, I am well aware of the legal system.

    @ballpeen said:

    Yes, I am well aware of the legal system.

    Well good for you!

  • All the women had to do was stop the session.  They didn't.

    @ballpeen said:

    All the women had to do was stop the session.  They didn't.

    @fy56 said:

    You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.

    Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24? 

    C'mon man!

    Like Ballpeen already pointed out, the accusers were happy to continue the session, receive payment, and in some cases even asked for new appointments. Then they miraculously changed their minds when a lawyer close to the Texans' owner offers to sue to get them a payday. Who is being 'up to no good' here, really? The accusers look worse than the accusee.