Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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I think some of you guys are arguing points I never made. And there are two separate discussion lines. The first was my contention, drawn from a YouTube video with sports guys talking about it, that the prosecutors in Texas didn't want to waste all that time. Canine believes otherwise. Fair enough. Moving on:
1 I have no doubt the evidence presented to the grand jury was not up to the standard needed to go forward with criminal prosecution. He said she said without solid evidence is a problem. Nobody wants to see a completely innocent man railroaded.
2 if the 30 cases had gone to court with 30 different juries I wouldn't bet that each and everyone would go his way. Beyond that it would most certainly take up a horrendous amount of the Court's time it could quite possibly drag on seemingly forever.
3 isn't a matter of fact or legality. Everybody has to decide for himself whether to believe that every one of these women is lying. I guess you can ask yourself why all these women who knew Watson fairly well would want to destroy his life and career by fabricating a story. That seems evil to me.
4 See #1. The grand jury didn't see enough solid evidence to go forward. That neither prove nor disprove anyting. That's all.
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So you want the Prosecutor to unbundle each case and present 12 different cases in the hope of bringing 12 bills of indictment and you believe there is more attention on each and Watson should have 12 eventual separate days in court- as some kind of special justice owed towards these allegations?
And I said 12 not 30. The Prosecutor didn’t present 30 cases. It can be surmised that Only 12 were deemed worthy/appropriate to be heard after months of investigation. The Prosecutors were privy to a lot of information for months that none of us had including the media.
On 3, you don’t think the prospect of financial gain could bring about fabrication? And you are an intelligent guy and from what I guess an elder to many of us here - have you witnessed or even heard of evil being done for financial gain? Lots of folks these days are certainly out for themselves.
On 4, it proves that a criminal proceeding and charges will not move forward.
So you want the Prosecutor to unbundle each case and present 12 different cases in the hope of bringing 12 bills of indictment and you believe there is more attention on each and Watson should have 12 eventual separate days in court- as some kind of special justice owed towards these allegations?
And I said 12 not 30. The Prosecutor didn’t present 30 cases. It can be surmised that Only 12 were deemed worthy/appropriate to be heard after months of investigation. The Prosecutors were privy to a lot of information for months that none of us had including the media.
On 3, you don’t think the prospect of financial gain could bring about fabrication? And you are an intelligent guy and from what I guess an elder to many of us here - have you witnessed or even heard of evil being done for financial gain? Lots of folks these days are certainly out for themselves.
On 4, it proves that a criminal proceeding and charges will not move forward.
1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?
Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.
And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?
By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.
WSS
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So you want the Prosecutor to unbundle each case and present 12 different cases in the hope of bringing 12 bills of indictment and you believe there is more attention on each and Watson should have 12 eventual separate days in court- as some kind of special justice owed towards these allegations?
And I said 12 not 30. The Prosecutor didn’t present 30 cases. It can be surmised that Only 12 were deemed worthy/appropriate to be heard after months of investigation. The Prosecutors were privy to a lot of information for months that none of us had including the media.
On 3, you don’t think the prospect of financial gain could bring about fabrication? And you are an intelligent guy and from what I guess an elder to many of us here - have you witnessed or even heard of evil being done for financial gain? Lots of folks these days are certainly out for themselves.
On 4, it proves that a criminal proceeding and charges will not move forward.
1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?
Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.
And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?
By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.
WSS
1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?
Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.
And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?
By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.
WSS
Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
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1 doesn't matter what I want. Just saying that if the decision was made to prosecute every case individually it would take forever. Just making that statement I don't think it's wrong. Also saying one never knows what's going to happen when a jury is involved. Like the legal analysts said they could be a flip of the coin. Disagree?
Two or three do I think financial gain could prompt people to make false accusations and file false complaints? Absolutely without a doubt. And yes I'm older than a lot of guys here and spent my entire life playing music 20 years of which was in a pretty successful rock and roll band that was on the road a good portion of the time. And yes I have seen false accusations.
And 4 yes it does. I'm not sure why people are bickering with me. And I don't know the answer but the question I made wass why would 24 plus women want to destroy a man's life and career. Just asking. Doesn't that seem evil to you?
By the way I was originally discussing the cases against Watson not so much the cases against the Texans. Who actually have Deep Pockets thinking payoff just about whoever they choose. Especially because they were pretty obviously complicit.
WSS
Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
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Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
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Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
Exactly. The criminal proceedings weren't going to happen. Depending on your point of view a great thing or a terrible thing about the United States legal system is that you can bypass the double jeopardy rule in a civil court for another bite of the apple. The grand jury had nothing to do with the civil cases the plaintiffs chose to settle. Had all of those cases gone to court I agree with Florio they would have been coin flips.
If I wasn't clear; my bad.
WSS
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Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
And two different outcomes.
A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.
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The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
And two different outcomes.
A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.
And two different outcomes.
A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.
No Doubt. And at this point it's a public relations issue anyway. Losing one or more of the civil cases after denying everything could bother a few people. Maybe not Nike but who knows? ?
WSS
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Yes I disagree…if a Grand Jury can’t even indict how do you expect a jury in a criminal proceeding to move toward a conviction.
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
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Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
Correct, kinda, and again those were two different issues in the same discussion. So we are good.
WSS
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Because the bar is set much lower in a civil case. If every one of those civil cases came to court you never know what will happen. Preponderance rather than Reasonable Doubt. That's all.
WSS
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
And as recent as a week ago I heard talk radio idiots who clearly don't know the difference between criminal and civil proceedings. "But even the lawyer for the women says Watson committed no crime" is the common take.
You can still cause harm to others without it being a crime you morons.
Depending on the circumstances an auto accident that causes harm to another can either be classified as a civil or criminal case.
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You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.
Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24?
C'mon man!
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You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.
Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24?
C'mon man!
You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.
Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24?
C'mon man!
I think he's now a "fabulously wealthy" class A nutjob who can throw a football very far......oh and the Cleveland Browns are married to him for the near and far future.
Broken record stuff now. Any thing new here ?
AND the soap opera continues......
GO BROWNS !
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You are in some serious denial if you deny Watson was up to no good.
Only seeking out female therapists? How many were there, 66, 24?
C'mon man!
I think he's now a "fabulously wealthy" class A nutjob who can throw a football very far......oh and the Cleveland Browns are married to him for the near and far future.
Broken record stuff now. Any thing new here ?
AND the soap opera continues......
GO BROWNS !
I think he's now a "fabulously wealthy" class A nutjob who can throw a football very far......oh and the Cleveland Browns are married to him for the near and far future.
Broken record stuff now. Any thing new here ?
AND the soap opera continues......
GO BROWNS !
No, nothing new...for most of us I presume.
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The way I am reading it you guys have your wires crossed. criminal and civil are two different proceedings.
You are correct. If one were to look at the scales of justice balanced out, in a criminial case one side needs to be buried out to gain a conviction...in theory. In a civil case, all one has to do is tilt the scale a little to gain a judgement.
And two different outcomes.
A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.
And two different outcomes.
A civil case involves no prison time, only compensation to the plaintiff.
Yes, I am well aware of the legal system.
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The Grand jury has nothing to do with Civil Proceedings. Mixing these two creates head scratching
Other than that yes, yes and yes on your post
And as recent as a week ago I heard talk radio idiots who clearly don't know the difference between criminal and civil proceedings. "But even the lawyer for the women says Watson committed no crime" is the common take.
You can still cause harm to others without it being a crime you morons.
Depending on the circumstances an auto accident that causes harm to another can either be classified as a civil or criminal case.
And as recent as a week ago I heard talk radio idiots who clearly don't know the difference between criminal and civil proceedings. "But even the lawyer for the women says Watson committed no crime" is the common take.
You can still cause harm to others without it being a crime you morons.
Depending on the circumstances an auto accident that causes harm to another can either be classified as a civil or criminal case.
Go figure The talking media m”asses” educating the populace on the legal system.
Sure can fleeing the scene, stolen cars DUIs, street racing, etc. My wife works in insurance.
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Watson prepared to sue the NFL.
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Watson prepared to sue the NFL.
Watson prepared to sue the NFL.
Geeezzz I wonder how long that might take ? I hope this whole thing doesn't encroach into OJ numbers.
I'm not keeping score but how long has this been going now, just curious and in about 17+ days now coaches will be putting real players on the field to play against other teams.
I for one can't wait. GO BROWNS !
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- Week 2: vs. Philadelphia Eagles, Aug. 21 at 1 p.m. ET
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Watson prepared to sue the NFL.
Watson prepared to sue the NFL.
Good , He can go play for the CFL...
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