Wide Receiver
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I could see some of this making sense if we stay put..
1.) L/R FA Guard Wes Martin is rumored the FA, signing w/Browns
2) Can we find our top young needs of DT/Edge/ILB'er falling to #74/98? I can't see Berry cutting Elliott..(yet)..With Tia, more upside with Thomas over Wright.. Will Ioannidis/Robinson be signing anywhere before the draft?
3) Neither Newsome or Ward want to play slot.. Draft/FA slot target needs higher upside than AJ Green
4) Schwartz prefers playing a single high Safety.. It's not on the teams roster past Thornhill/Delpit
5) RB or TE need a upgraded 3rd.. lowest 2 needs imo
JMO, if Newsome doesn't want to play slot - then he needs to outplay Emerson so that Emerson can return to his role in the slot. Part of the problem there is Emerson is built a little bigger at 6'2" for the jam at the line of scrimmage than Newsome. Not that Newsome is bad (he's a 1st round pick) so this is a good problem to have if it's a problem at all.
Here's something else to contemplate, Denzel Ward isn't very durable so my guess is they will all get their share of reps not covering the slot. You know we'll still draft at least 1 corner somewhere in the draft.
Here's something else to contemplate, Denzel Ward isn't very durable so my guess is they will all get their share of reps not covering the slot. You know we'll still draft at least 1 corner somewhere in the draft.
I was looking at pff's slot & high safety reps this morning..
Illinois Sydney Brown & Bama's Brian Branch are highly rated in both
Utah- Clark Phillips.. Louisville- Keutrel Clark.. Illinois- Jartavius Martin.. more draft mid-range prospects
TCU- Hodges-Tomllnson (man can he turn some smooth hips) undersized 5'9 178 4.41/40.. only 29 slot reps
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He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs. He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly.
A Landry...Welker. If that's what he is, then good. We need one. I had hoped Bell would be that guy, but he didn't look like it.
Moore's 56% catch rate could, in theory be from bad QB play. It's what they want us to believe...so, hopefully that's the case. Me, I'm back to hoping that my 6' 4" Weston turns out to be a player.
reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz
They want a burner. It's been reported that we have one of the slowest WR groups. - Weston's not slow. C'mon Weston!
They want a burner. It's been reported that we have one of the slowest WR groups. - Weston's not slow. C'mon Weston!
Back at the WR topic...
might be something brewing at camp, if over 6'ft wide outs are now the need..
With ya O... I'm a fan of Long - shots
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I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.
I suppose it is possible. That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.
Are we sure a rookie couldn't outplay Hurst or Hill or both? I think we've leaned as heavily on free agency as we need to. It's been an admirable effort; but there's a fine line of cap health and longer term future ahead.
With no injuries to worry about during the off-season - what happens if we lost someone like Tomlinson and we thought we didn't need to draft IDL? We're jamming Schwartz with pawns, which he probably already clarified he wants reliable help at the DT sports.
I think it would be a good idea to draft a DT this year.
Are we sure a rookie couldn't outplay Hurst or Hill or both? I think we've leaned as heavily on free agency as we need to. It's been an admirable effort; but there's a fine line of cap health and longer term future ahead.
With no injuries to worry about during the off-season - what happens if we lost someone like Tomlinson and we thought we didn't need to draft IDL? We're jamming Schwartz with pawns, which he probably already clarified he wants reliable help at the DT sports.
I think it would be a good idea to draft a DT this year.
I never said we shouldn't draft another DT, or any other position for that matter.
First, I don't trust rookies to make any real impact.
Second, I don't see the room on the roster to keep 8 drafted rookies. I'd rather see a trade up(maybe to get that DT) and some trades to pick up a couple of players for next year.
Do you really expect to see a 5th round rookie making any real big impact? They might, but I wouldn't expect it. I don't think Stefasnski wants to stake his job on the hope some 4th or 5th rounder is going to step right in and make a big difference.
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Are we sure a rookie couldn't outplay Hurst or Hill or both? I think we've leaned as heavily on free agency as we need to. It's been an admirable effort; but there's a fine line of cap health and longer term future ahead.
With no injuries to worry about during the off-season - what happens if we lost someone like Tomlinson and we thought we didn't need to draft IDL? We're jamming Schwartz with pawns, which he probably already clarified he wants reliable help at the DT sports.
I think it would be a good idea to draft a DT this year.
I never said we shouldn't draft another DT, or any other position for that matter.
First, I don't trust rookies to make any real impact.
Second, I don't see the room on the roster to keep 8 drafted rookies. I'd rather see a trade up(maybe to get that DT) and some trades to pick up a couple of players for next year.
Do you really expect to see a 5th round rookie making any real big impact? They might, but I wouldn't expect it. I don't think Stefasnski wants to stake his job on the hope some 4th or 5th rounder is going to step right in and make a big difference.
I never said we shouldn't draft another DT, or any other position for that matter.
First, I don't trust rookies to make any real impact.
Second, I don't see the room on the roster to keep 8 drafted rookies. I'd rather see a trade up(maybe to get that DT) and some trades to pick up a couple of players for next year.
Do you really expect to see a 5th round rookie making any real big impact? They might, but I wouldn't expect it. I don't think Stefasnski wants to stake his job on the hope some 4th or 5th rounder is going to step right in and make a big difference.
LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.
Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.
Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.
I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I never said we shouldn't draft another DT, or any other position for that matter.
First, I don't trust rookies to make any real impact.
Second, I don't see the room on the roster to keep 8 drafted rookies. I'd rather see a trade up(maybe to get that DT) and some trades to pick up a couple of players for next year.
Do you really expect to see a 5th round rookie making any real big impact? They might, but I wouldn't expect it. I don't think Stefasnski wants to stake his job on the hope some 4th or 5th rounder is going to step right in and make a big difference.
LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.
Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.
Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.
I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.
LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.
Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.
Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.
I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.
Case and point.. Correct me if I'm wrong... Didn't Otto Graham win a championship his rookie season?... I know times are different... But that's hard to do in any era, Team, etc...
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LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.
Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.
Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.
I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.
Case and point.. Correct me if I'm wrong... Didn't Otto Graham win a championship his rookie season?... I know times are different... But that's hard to do in any era, Team, etc...
Case and point.. Correct me if I'm wrong... Didn't Otto Graham win a championship his rookie season?... I know times are different... But that's hard to do in any era, Team, etc...
Exactly Nicks! The ONLY time Dan Marino went to the Super Bowl was his rookie year. I partially agree with Ballpeen in the sense that you don't want to throw too many rookies out there; and nobody wants us to.
We have no shortage of veterans and experience on this roster anywhere so I'm okay with adding rookies to our active roster and practice squad. I'd rather have us cut the previous draft picks that didn't pan out or develop into guys that would help us compete. We've seen enough of Elliott, Togiai, Schwartz, Felton, Forbes and others to cut them in order to make room for new prospects that could be able to help us.
You have to at least TRY to build this team inclusive of the patience to realize some guys won't start immediately. You know like Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Steve McNair. Those weren't bad draft picks because they didn't start their rookies seasons were they? This happens with guys at other positions too. Greg Pruitt had to wait until Leroy Kelly retired. Joel Bitonio isn't going to play forever. And guess what round Buffalo draft Wyatt Teller in? Round 5.
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I never said we shouldn't draft another DT, or any other position for that matter.
First, I don't trust rookies to make any real impact.
Second, I don't see the room on the roster to keep 8 drafted rookies. I'd rather see a trade up(maybe to get that DT) and some trades to pick up a couple of players for next year.
Do you really expect to see a 5th round rookie making any real big impact? They might, but I wouldn't expect it. I don't think Stefasnski wants to stake his job on the hope some 4th or 5th rounder is going to step right in and make a big difference.
LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.
Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.
Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.
I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.
LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.
Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.
Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.
I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.
Guys like Schwartz are already replaced. My count has us signing 13 FA players. Two were existing players...Taki and Pocic. That is 11 added players, most all if not all will make the team. They are going to be replacing somebody.
Don't make it sound like I want to keep crappy players. I am glad they are gone. I see room for maybe 4 rookie players. That is why I would like to maybe move up to get a better player and trade back to pick up a pick or two next year. We will still be down a 1st rounder and we won't get the extra 3rd rounder for the executive the Vikings hired.
So go ahead and throw out all the Tyreek Hills you want. You known damn good and well that isn't the norm, so maybe we can try to be realistic about exactly what you are drafting from the 5th round on. We have drafted dozens of 6th rounders who weren't worth a crap. So have all other teams.
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LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.
Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.
Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.
I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.
Guys like Schwartz are already replaced. My count has us signing 13 FA players. Two were existing players...Taki and Pocic. That is 11 added players, most all if not all will make the team. They are going to be replacing somebody.
Don't make it sound like I want to keep crappy players. I am glad they are gone. I see room for maybe 4 rookie players. That is why I would like to maybe move up to get a better player and trade back to pick up a pick or two next year. We will still be down a 1st rounder and we won't get the extra 3rd rounder for the executive the Vikings hired.
So go ahead and throw out all the Tyreek Hills you want. You known damn good and well that isn't the norm, so maybe we can try to be realistic about exactly what you are drafting from the 5th round on. We have drafted dozens of 6th rounders who weren't worth a crap. So have all other teams.
Guys like Schwartz are already replaced. My count has us signing 13 FA players. Two were existing players...Taki and Pocic. That is 11 added players, most all if not all will make the team. They are going to be replacing somebody.
Don't make it sound like I want to keep crappy players. I am glad they are gone. I see room for maybe 4 rookie players. That is why I would like to maybe move up to get a better player and trade back to pick up a pick or two next year. We will still be down a 1st rounder and we won't get the extra 3rd rounder for the executive the Vikings hired.
So go ahead and throw out all the Tyreek Hills you want. You known damn good and well that isn't the norm, so maybe we can try to be realistic about exactly what you are drafting from the 5th round on. We have drafted dozens of 6th rounders who weren't worth a crap. So have all other teams.
I don't think he's arguing with ya Peen.. You both made salient points..
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Guys like Schwartz are already replaced. My count has us signing 13 FA players. Two were existing players...Taki and Pocic. That is 11 added players, most all if not all will make the team. They are going to be replacing somebody.
Don't make it sound like I want to keep crappy players. I am glad they are gone. I see room for maybe 4 rookie players. That is why I would like to maybe move up to get a better player and trade back to pick up a pick or two next year. We will still be down a 1st rounder and we won't get the extra 3rd rounder for the executive the Vikings hired.
So go ahead and throw out all the Tyreek Hills you want. You known damn good and well that isn't the norm, so maybe we can try to be realistic about exactly what you are drafting from the 5th round on. We have drafted dozens of 6th rounders who weren't worth a crap. So have all other teams.
I don't think he's arguing with ya Peen.. You both made salient points..
I don't think he's arguing with ya Peen.. You both made salient points..
LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.
Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.
Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.
I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.
Cool. Also, my earlier point doesn't include the trade we made for Moore.
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I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.
I suppose it is possible. That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.
I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.
I suppose it is possible. That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.
took 1 move up with Bears to #53..
We don't have a 4th next season? or
could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?
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53Jack CampbellLB | IowaA
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98Jammie RobinsonS | Florida StateA+
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126Parker WashingtonWR | Penn StateA+
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140Byron Young (AL)DL | AlabamaA+
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
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The RAS posted above for those two end-of-the-bench WR's has one thing in common.. The reason those guys are barely rosterable isn't their deep/long speed but rather their inability to beat coverage. The red for both at the bottom [3-cone and shuttle] describes their lack of quickness both into and out of their breaks.
This means that no matter the height of the CB's covering them.. those guys won't be open at any point on the field unless somebody falls down.
For contrast, Elijah Moore's RAS is elite in those areas.
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I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.
I suppose it is possible. That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.
took 1 move up with Bears to #53..
We don't have a 4th next season? or
could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?
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53Jack CampbellLB | IowaA
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98Jammie RobinsonS | Florida StateA+
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126Parker WashingtonWR | Penn StateA+
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140Byron Young (AL)DL | AlabamaA+
took 1 move up with Bears to #53..
We don't have a 4th next season? or
could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?
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53Jack CampbellLB | IowaA
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98Jammie RobinsonS | Florida StateA+
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126Parker WashingtonWR | Penn StateA+
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140Byron Young (AL)DL | AlabamaA+
Looks GREAT Gumbs. I HATE the thought of starting a second consecutive draft in the 3rd round; so your mock draft would be awesome!
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A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.
But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?
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I saw somewhere where Berry wanted to trade for Moore last year.
I should also say that I saw somewhere that the Jets thought he was a PITA.
I assume that he has a clean slate here with us fans. But we'll be finding out if Berry was correct all along about him.....
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A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.
But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?
A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.
But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?
I’d wear it too. He has ball skills like fellow “we ares”Juwon Johnson and Jahan Dotson- both have performed well at the next level. I think he’s got another elite skill set He’s going to be IMO a YAC machine and turn the pitch and catch game into extra yards.
Interesting side point his cousin…our backup QB Josh Dobbs
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A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.
But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?
A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.
But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?
Naaa, you only have to wear that if you are the guy who actually drafts the player.
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A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.
But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?
I’d wear it too. He has ball skills like fellow “we ares”Juwon Johnson and Jahan Dotson- both have performed well at the next level. I think he’s got another elite skill set He’s going to be IMO a YAC machine and turn the pitch and catch game into extra yards.
Interesting side point his cousin…our backup QB Josh Dobbs
I’d wear it too. He has ball skills like fellow “we ares”Juwon Johnson and Jahan Dotson- both have performed well at the next level. I think he’s got another elite skill set He’s going to be IMO a YAC machine and turn the pitch and catch game into extra yards.
Interesting side point his cousin…our backup QB Josh Dobbs
Me too!
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I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.
I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?
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I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.
I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?
I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.
I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?
Gumbs listed him at #53, which would be a trade up.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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