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  • I saw somewhere where Berry wanted to trade for Moore last year.

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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.

    I suppose it is possible.  That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.

    @ballpeen said:

    I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.

    I suppose it is possible.  That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.

    took 1 move up with Bears to #53.. 

    We don't have a 4th next season? or

    could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?

    • 53
      Jack Campbell
      LB | Iowa
      A
    • 98
      Jammie Robinson
      S | Florida State
      A+
    • 126
      Parker Washington
      WR | Penn State
      A+
    • 140
      Byron Young (AL)
      DL | Alabama
      A+
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  • The RAS posted above for those two end-of-the-bench WR's has one thing in common.. The reason those guys are barely rosterable isn't their deep/long speed but rather their inability to beat coverage.  The red for both at the bottom [3-cone and shuttle] describes their lack of quickness both into and out of their breaks.

    This means that no matter the height of the CB's covering them.. those guys won't be open at any point on the field unless somebody falls down.

    For contrast, Elijah Moore's RAS is elite in those areas.

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  • gumby73G gumby73

    @ballpeen said:

    I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.

    I suppose it is possible.  That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.

    took 1 move up with Bears to #53.. 

    We don't have a 4th next season? or

    could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?

    • 53
      Jack Campbell
      LB | Iowa
      A
    • 98
      Jammie Robinson
      S | Florida State
      A+
    • 126
      Parker Washington
      WR | Penn State
      A+
    • 140
      Byron Young (AL)
      DL | Alabama
      A+

    @gumby73 said:

    took 1 move up with Bears to #53.. 

    We don't have a 4th next season? or

    could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?

    • 53
      Jack Campbell
      LB | Iowa
      A
    • 98
      Jammie Robinson
      S | Florida State
      A+
    • 126
      Parker Washington
      WR | Penn State
      A+
    • 140
      Byron Young (AL)
      DL | Alabama
      A+

    Looks GREAT Gumbs. I HATE the thought of starting a second consecutive draft in the 3rd round; so your mock draft would be awesome!

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  • A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

    But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

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  • OrionO Orion

    I saw somewhere where Berry wanted to trade for Moore last year.

    @orion said:

    I saw somewhere where Berry wanted to trade for Moore last year.

    I should also say that I saw somewhere that the Jets thought he was a PITA.

    I assume that he has a clean slate here with us fans.  But we'll be finding out if Berry was correct all along about him.....

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

    But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

    But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

    I’d wear it too.  He has ball skills like  fellow “we ares”Juwon Johnson and Jahan Dotson- both have performed well at the next level.  I think he’s got another elite skill set He’s going to be IMO a YAC machine and turn the pitch and catch game into extra yards.  
     

    Interesting side point his cousin…our backup QB Josh Dobbs

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

    But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

    But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

    Naaa, you only have to wear that if you are the guy who actually drafts the player.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • S SdBacker80

    @dutch-oven said:

    A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

    But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

    I’d wear it too.  He has ball skills like  fellow “we ares”Juwon Johnson and Jahan Dotson- both have performed well at the next level.  I think he’s got another elite skill set He’s going to be IMO a YAC machine and turn the pitch and catch game into extra yards.  
     

    Interesting side point his cousin…our backup QB Josh Dobbs

    @sdbacker80 said:

    I’d wear it too.  He has ball skills like  fellow “we ares”Juwon Johnson and Jahan Dotson- both have performed well at the next level.  I think he’s got another elite skill set He’s going to be IMO a YAC machine and turn the pitch and catch game into extra yards.  
     

    Interesting side point his cousin…our backup QB Josh Dobbs

    Me too!  

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"

  • I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.

    I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.

    I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?

    @ballpeen said:

    I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.

    I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?

    Gumbs listed him at #53, which would be a trade up.  

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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  • Morning!

    off to work, Have some fun.. https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator click start at top/pause anytime to purpose trade

    Jack Campbell was the highest rated player once before taken at #53. #98 has a bunch of position help of choice

    Edge & DT's of Mazi Smith or Benton have options too.

    You'll be offered a bunch of trades.. next years or move downs.. 

    Might be a topic to start elsewhere... Mock Mania.. plenty out there 

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  • gumby73G gumby73

    @ballpeen said:

    I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.

    I suppose it is possible.  That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.

    took 1 move up with Bears to #53.. 

    We don't have a 4th next season? or

    could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?

    • 53
      Jack Campbell
      LB | Iowa
      A
    • 98
      Jammie Robinson
      S | Florida State
      A+
    • 126
      Parker Washington
      WR | Penn State
      A+
    • 140
      Byron Young (AL)
      DL | Alabama
      A+

    @gumby73 said:

    took 1 move up with Bears to #53.. 

    We don't have a 4th next season? or

    could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?

    • 53
      Jack Campbell
      LB | Iowa
      A
    • 98
      Jammie Robinson
      S | Florida State
      A+
    • 126
      Parker Washington
      WR | Penn State
      A+
    • 140
      Byron Young (AL)
      DL | Alabama
      A+

    Side bet for a Coca Cola that Young is still there at 140. I say gone by then.

  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I think we might see a trade up, were, who knows?  I also think we will see an effort to trade back to gain picks next year.

    One would assume all of the guys signed to FA deals will probably make the team.  Maybe more on point is almost all will probably make the team.  I don't think we signed them with the intent to turn around and cut them.  I would imagine most got some sort of bonus to sign.

    With that thought in place, how many roster spots will be open? The Fa's will be taking somebodys job.  A few can be slotted in to positions where we lost a player, but not all.  With 8 draft choices, it will be like throwing away draft picks.  The smart move is to push a few of those in to next year as well as some to move up this year.  Trading a pick this year for a pick next year usually brings some sort of premium.  It may not be a full round of value depending on where people think the picks might fall, but a 4th and 5th this year can become a 3rd next year.

    @ballpeen said:

    I think we might see a trade up, were, who knows?  I also think we will see an effort to trade back to gain picks next year.

    There is a buzz that the Browns could very well be trading. 

    As much as I'm never one that likes to hear the phrase "next year" - last I knew, we only had 4 draft picks scheduled for next year.  That might have changed - I'm not sure.  

    Bill Belichick was once asked about a get together he had with Jimmy Johnson fishing, ironically. I say that because aside from enjoying the relaxing activity on the water - Bill was fishing for info about the draft.  Johnson informed he saw draft picks as valuable capital toward building your team.  Bill became a guy known for trading back and gaining picks doing so.  That being the case, what was the harm in drafting a guy like Tom Brady in round 6 that nobody else seemed interested in?  He wasn't a 1st year starter; but the 1st year he started after Bledsoe got injured the next year - he was the Super Bowl winning QB that emerged into a GOAT.  

    I'm okay with not using all our picks this after the free agency efforts set us up so we can make trades with picks.  I had to sleep on that though but we can trade up for a better shot at immediate help or trade back to bulk up next year's draft. We have options.  

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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  • No doubt we need to select 3-4 players this year, and hopefully all will be solid guys in a year.  I want to go BPA and not worry about positions so much, but it wouldn't bother me at all (wink wink) if we draft a back, guard, and DT.

    I don't worry about RB so much as you can always draft and plug and play those guys to some degree.  I also like John Kelly who has been on our practice squad a couple of seasons.  We could play him this year.    Mid-late round Dt's and Guards could use a little seasoning in a perfect world.  Guards are in that area all the time.  Good ones.  DT's maybe not the studs, but you can still find good run stuffer in that area...pass rushers not so much....but run stuffers are fine in a rotational role, if not starting.

    LB is an area we could us.  maybe draft one rather than the back I mentioned earlier.  With our O-line, we can find backs who would be decent enough in free agency after camp cuts.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • FlugelF Flugel

    @ballpeen said:

    I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.

    I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?

    Gumbs listed him at #53, which would be a trade up.  

    @flugel said:

    Gumbs listed him at #53, which would be a trade up.

    i  forgot which internet show I was listening to but they had him falling to us in the 3rd

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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    No doubt we need to select 3-4 players this year, and hopefully all will be solid guys in a year.  I want to go BPA and not worry about positions so much, but it wouldn't bother me at all (wink wink) if we draft a back, guard, and DT.

    I don't worry about RB so much as you can always draft and plug and play those guys to some degree.  I also like John Kelly who has been on our practice squad a couple of seasons.  We could play him this year.    Mid-late round Dt's and Guards could use a little seasoning in a perfect world.  Guards are in that area all the time.  Good ones.  DT's maybe not the studs, but you can still find good run stuffer in that area...pass rushers not so much....but run stuffers are fine in a rotational role, if not starting.

    LB is an area we could us.  maybe draft one rather than the back I mentioned earlier.  With our O-line, we can find backs who would be decent enough in free agency after camp cuts.

    @ballpeen said:

    I also like John Kelly who has been on our practice squad

    Thank you.  I was forgetting about him.  I like him every August.  There's never been any room for him.  Perhaps, this year, the stars might line up for him.  ??  

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  • OrionO Orion

    @ballpeen said:

    I also like John Kelly who has been on our practice squad

    Thank you.  I was forgetting about him.  I like him every August.  There's never been any room for him.  Perhaps, this year, the stars might line up for him.  ??  

    @orion said:

    Thank you.  I was forgetting about him.  I like him every August.  There's never been any room for him.  Perhaps, this year, the stars might line up for him.  ??  

    That's why I can't see them drafting RB

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  • FlugelF Flugel

    @ballpeen said:

    I think we might see a trade up, were, who knows?  I also think we will see an effort to trade back to gain picks next year.

    There is a buzz that the Browns could very well be trading. 

    As much as I'm never one that likes to hear the phrase "next year" - last I knew, we only had 4 draft picks scheduled for next year.  That might have changed - I'm not sure.  

    Bill Belichick was once asked about a get together he had with Jimmy Johnson fishing, ironically. I say that because aside from enjoying the relaxing activity on the water - Bill was fishing for info about the draft.  Johnson informed he saw draft picks as valuable capital toward building your team.  Bill became a guy known for trading back and gaining picks doing so.  That being the case, what was the harm in drafting a guy like Tom Brady in round 6 that nobody else seemed interested in?  He wasn't a 1st year starter; but the 1st year he started after Bledsoe got injured the next year - he was the Super Bowl winning QB that emerged into a GOAT.  

    I'm okay with not using all our picks this after the free agency efforts set us up so we can make trades with picks.  I had to sleep on that though but we can trade up for a better shot at immediate help or trade back to bulk up next year's draft. We have options.  

    @flugel said:

    There is a buzz that the Browns could very well be trading. 

    As much as I'm never one that likes to hear the phrase "next year" - last I knew, we only had 4 draft picks scheduled for next year.  That might have changed - I'm not sure.  

    What you said above got me curious about the state of the Browns draft picks for 2024, and I've had trouble finding a recent article that states what picks they have for next draft. One article from last year said eight picks, another old article said seven. 

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @flugel said:

    There is a buzz that the Browns could very well be trading. 

    As much as I'm never one that likes to hear the phrase "next year" - last I knew, we only had 4 draft picks scheduled for next year.  That might have changed - I'm not sure.  

    What you said above got me curious about the state of the Browns draft picks for 2024, and I've had trouble finding a recent article that states what picks they have for next draft. One article from last year said eight picks, another old article said seven. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    What you said above got me curious about the state of the Browns draft picks for 2024, and I've had trouble finding a recent article that states what picks they have for next draft. One article from last year said eight picks, another old article said seven. 

    There isn't any articles in 2023.  I think you have to go all the way back to October of 2022 to see there was 7 left.  There's been some trades made that brought it down temporarily but others since could have brought it up.  This will probably change again after this year's draft if we make more trades.  I was hoping someone had an update on it all.

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