Wide Receiver

nickers

@ballpeen said:

Guys like Schwartz are already replaced. My count has us signing 13 FA players. Two were existing players...Taki and Pocic. That is 11 added players, most all if not all will make the team. They are going to be replacing somebody.

Don't make it sound like I want to keep crappy players. I am glad they are gone. I see room for maybe 4 rookie players. That is why I would like to maybe move up to get a better player and trade back to pick up a pick or two next year. We will still be down a 1st rounder and we won't get the extra 3rd rounder for the executive the Vikings hired.

So go ahead and throw out all the Tyreek Hills you want. You known damn good and well that isn't the norm, so maybe we can try to be realistic about exactly what you are drafting from the 5th round on. We have drafted dozens of 6th rounders who weren't worth a crap. So have all other teams.

I don't think he's arguing with ya Peen.. You both made salient points..

ballpeen

@nickers said:

I don't think he's arguing with ya Peen.. You both made salient points..

@flugel said:

LOL. I know you didn't say that - I just liked your post because I think a lot of us are thinking about this.

Your pov about trusting rookies to make an impact is probably pretty popular especially considering we're only drafting about 8 guys. My train of thought about this is we've kept guys like Schwartz, Elliott and others longer than we should have. We're in last place right? I'd rather give new people a shot like the rookies and recent veteran acquisitions we got through FA and trades. We have made trades and one gave up a 2nd round pick doing so. This will be our 2nd year in a row entering the draft in round 3 so I think you're safe that all 8 draftees won't make the active roster. Some will be on the practice squad.

Do I expect to see a 5th round pick make any impact? Are you telling me the Chiefs shouldn't have given Tyreek Hill a chance? I think you still have to build through the draft and supplement needs through FA. Eaarnest Byner was a 10th round draft pick. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick and he's the ONLY NFL MVP we've had this side of 1970.

I look at a team like Seattle last year that had 5 rookies starting on a roster that wasn't supposed to make the playoffs or come anywhere near the post season.

Cool. Also, my earlier point doesn't include the trade we made for Moore.

Orion

I saw somewhere where Berry wanted to trade for Moore last year.

gumby73

@ballpeen said:

I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.

I suppose it is possible. That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.

took 1 move up with Bears to #53..

We don't have a 4th next season? or

could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?

53

Jack Campbell

LB | Iowa

A
98

Jammie Robinson

S | Florida State

A+
126

Parker Washington

WR | Penn State

A+
140

Byron Young (AL)

DL | Alabama

A+

Unsympathetic

The RAS posted above for those two end-of-the-bench WR's has one thing in common.. The reason those guys are barely rosterable isn't their deep/long speed but rather their inability to beat coverage. The red for both at the bottom [3-cone and shuttle] describes their lack of quickness both into and out of their breaks.

This means that no matter the height of the CB's covering them.. those guys won't be open at any point on the field unless somebody falls down.

For contrast, Elijah Moore's RAS is elite in those areas.

Flugel

@gumby73 said:

took 1 move up with Bears to #53..

We don't have a 4th next season? or

could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?

53

Jack Campbell

LB | Iowa

A

98

Jammie Robinson

S | Florida State

A+

126

Parker Washington

WR | Penn State

A+

140

Byron Young (AL)

DL | Alabama

A+

Looks GREAT Gumbs. I HATE the thought of starting a second consecutive draft in the 3rd round; so your mock draft would be awesome!

Dutch Oven

A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

Orion

@orion said:

I saw somewhere where Berry wanted to trade for Moore last year.

I should also say that I saw somewhere that the Jets thought he was a PITA.

I assume that he has a clean slate here with us fans. But we'll be finding out if Berry was correct all along about him.....

SdBacker80

@dutch-oven said:

A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

I’d wear it too. He has ball skills like fellow “we ares”Juwon Johnson and Jahan Dotson- both have performed well at the next level. I think he’s got another elite skill set He’s going to be IMO a YAC machine and turn the pitch and catch game into extra yards.

Interesting side point his cousin…our backup QB Josh Dobbs

ballpeen

@dutch-oven said:

A mock draft of Campbell and Parker Washington is going to get a big thumbs up from me.

But as the guy who kind of started the Parker Washington Bandwagon, now I'm nervous that he's going to flame out and I'll have to wear my love for him like an albatross ?

Naaa, you only have to wear that if you are the guy who actually drafts the player.

Flugel

@sdbacker80 said:

I’d wear it too. He has ball skills like fellow “we ares”Juwon Johnson and Jahan Dotson- both have performed well at the next level. I think he’s got another elite skill set He’s going to be IMO a YAC machine and turn the pitch and catch game into extra yards.

Interesting side point his cousin…our backup QB Josh Dobbs

Me too!

ballpeen

I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.

I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?

Flugel

@ballpeen said:

I know Campbell has gotten a lot of early talk.

I was thinking he would be a higher pick. Why would he be valued as a 3rd-4th round pick?

Gumbs listed him at #53, which would be a trade up.

gumby73

Morning!

off to work, Have some fun.. https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator click start at top/pause anytime to purpose trade

Jack Campbell was the highest rated player once before taken at #53. #98 has a bunch of position help of choice

Edge & DT's of Mazi Smith or Benton have options too.

You'll be offered a bunch of trades.. next years or move downs..

Might be a topic to start elsewhere... Mock Mania.. plenty out there

TexasAg1969

@gumby73 said:

took 1 move up with Bears to #53..

We don't have a 4th next season? or

could get to Bills #59 (-3rd & -4th) to cover a 5th &/or 6th position?

53

Jack Campbell

LB | Iowa

A

98

Jammie Robinson

S | Florida State

A+

126

Parker Washington

WR | Penn State

A+

140

Byron Young (AL)

DL | Alabama

A+

Side bet for a Coca Cola that Young is still there at 140. I say gone by then.

Flugel

@ballpeen said:

I think we might see a trade up, were, who knows? I also think we will see an effort to trade back to gain picks next year.

There is a buzz that the Browns could very well be trading.

As much as I'm never one that likes to hear the phrase "next year" - last I knew, we only had 4 draft picks scheduled for next year. That might have changed - I'm not sure.

Bill Belichick was once asked about a get together he had with Jimmy Johnson fishing, ironically. I say that because aside from enjoying the relaxing activity on the water - Bill was fishing for info about the draft. Johnson informed he saw draft picks as valuable capital toward building your team. Bill became a guy known for trading back and gaining picks doing so. That being the case, what was the harm in drafting a guy like Tom Brady in round 6 that nobody else seemed interested in? He wasn't a 1st year starter; but the 1st year he started after Bledsoe got injured the next year - he was the Super Bowl winning QB that emerged into a GOAT.

I'm okay with not using all our picks this after the free agency efforts set us up so we can make trades with picks. I had to sleep on that though but we can trade up for a better shot at immediate help or trade back to bulk up next year's draft. We have options.

ballpeen

No doubt we need to select 3-4 players this year, and hopefully all will be solid guys in a year. I want to go BPA and not worry about positions so much, but it wouldn't bother me at all (wink wink) if we draft a back, guard, and DT.

I don't worry about RB so much as you can always draft and plug and play those guys to some degree. I also like John Kelly who has been on our practice squad a couple of seasons. We could play him this year. Mid-late round Dt's and Guards could use a little seasoning in a perfect world. Guards are in that area all the time. Good ones. DT's maybe not the studs, but you can still find good run stuffer in that area...pass rushers not so much....but run stuffers are fine in a rotational role, if not starting.

LB is an area we could us. maybe draft one rather than the back I mentioned earlier. With our O-line, we can find backs who would be decent enough in free agency after camp cuts.

syd

@flugel said:

Gumbs listed him at #53, which would be a trade up.

i forgot which internet show I was listening to but they had him falling to us in the 3rd

Orion

@ballpeen said:

I also like John Kelly who has been on our practice squad

Thank you. I was forgetting about him. I like him every August. There's never been any room for him. Perhaps, this year, the stars might line up for him. ??

nickers

@orion said:

Thank you. I was forgetting about him. I like him every August. There's never been any room for him. Perhaps, this year, the stars might line up for him. ??

That's why I can't see them drafting RB