Cardinals release WR DeAndre Hopkins
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as the media drives everyone off track again ... Give me a sleeper team like the Seattle Seahawks..
GM Snyder with Geno Smith, need a piece like D-Hop to contend with only the 49'ers in division.. NFC please !
I hear ya Gumbs! Unfortunately, he'll probably go to an AFC team we don't want him to go to. Even after June 1st - would the Browns have enough cap space to compete for him? I wonder if Jack Conklin would be willing to re-structure his pretty big new contract or if they could get someone else to do so.
I hear ya Gumbs! Unfortunately, he'll probably go to an AFC team we don't want him to go to. Even after June 1st - would the Browns have enough cap space to compete for him? I wonder if Jack Conklin would be willing to re-structure his pretty big new contract or if they could get someone else to do so.
I don't know. Some may disagree with the quality of the guys we have, but we have a lot of guys who will need/demand reps.
We know that Cooper is a guy who can rack up 100 receptions in a season. So how many reps does that take? At least 100. I think Moore will get enough reps to rack up 70 receptions. Add in DPJ and Njoku...that is a pretty high amount right there before adding in the other guys who will get some targets.
I think the team is pretty comfortable with the group as it stands. I don't think we are interested in breaking the bank to bring him in.
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I hear ya Gumbs! Unfortunately, he'll probably go to an AFC team we don't want him to go to. Even after June 1st - would the Browns have enough cap space to compete for him? I wonder if Jack Conklin would be willing to re-structure his pretty big new contract or if they could get someone else to do so.
I don't know. Some may disagree with the quality of the guys we have, but we have a lot of guys who will need/demand reps.
We know that Cooper is a guy who can rack up 100 receptions in a season. So how many reps does that take? At least 100. I think Moore will get enough reps to rack up 70 receptions. Add in DPJ and Njoku...that is a pretty high amount right there before adding in the other guys who will get some targets.
I think the team is pretty comfortable with the group as it stands. I don't think we are interested in breaking the bank to bring him in.
I don't know. Some may disagree with the quality of the guys we have, but we have a lot of guys who will need/demand reps.
We know that Cooper is a guy who can rack up 100 receptions in a season. So how many reps does that take? At least 100. I think Moore will get enough reps to rack up 70 receptions. Add in DPJ and Njoku...that is a pretty high amount right there before adding in the other guys who will get some targets.
I think the team is pretty comfortable with the group as it stands. I don't think we are interested in breaking the bank to bring him in.
I don't know either. I'm just bouncing stuff off you guys so I appreciate your reply and offering any differences of opinion you have here. I'm excited about Tillman joining the Browns; and I sincerely hope Elijah Moore is everything I'm reading/hearing he can be. Once upon a time the Browns picked up an NFL journeyman named Reggie Rucker; and he became such a good system fit that he produced to the point of calling Cleveland home. Furthermore, I was ecstatic we landed David Bell in the 3rd round last year. When we first saw DPJ, I was very excited about what seemed like a 6th round steal and where experience could take him. That said, I haven't seen him take that next step which seems somewhat similar to what happened with him at the school up north. The great news is Cooper picked up a lot of the slack with our WR Corps with a very productive season.
I like that you brought up TE David Njoku. When we drafted him, I hoped he'd eventually do what Travis Kelce was doing even before Mahomes arrived. I'm somewhere between stupid and stubborn thinking he still get a lot closer to that level than he has.
All of that said, 1 or 2 injuries to the WR Corps could leave us leaning on young and unproven guys not ready to make us competitive enough for playoffs yet. That's why I'm dreaming about the idea of Hopkins joining us - even though I think you're right about the team being comfortable with this year's group of WRs. I feel better about about the group of WRs we have today than the group we had last year at this time.
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Good one , Tom!
Damn! I didn't even thank you for the entertainment value you brought to the discussion Nicks - so I'm fixing that as we speak. You're spoiling me man!
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Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
The Tillman pick is/was DPJ insurance when he’s on another team in 2024. DPJ is the kind of luxury you can’t afford when we really have to start making cap conscious decisions.
I like where you are going with the Hopkins signing and then shipping DPJ. We aren’t loaded with draft capital in 2024. Adding Hopkins to this room - how do you develop Bell or Tillman…Bell especially in Year 2 he needs physical reps.
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Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
I think Njoku has some talent.. He's not complete garbage.. The problem with Njoku is he does not go the extra mile.. He's reached whatever ceiling he has... We still don't have a real tight end on this team.. Id rather have Steve Heiden instead of this tool... At least Heiden worked his ass off... This guy coasts a lot.. He drops easy passes and has lapses in concentration.. It's just who he is
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
I think Njoku has some talent.. He's not complete garbage.. The problem with Njoku is he does not go the extra mile.. He's reached whatever ceiling he has... We still don't have a real tight end on this team.. Id rather have Steve Heiden instead of this tool... At least Heiden worked his ass off... This guy coasts a lot.. He drops easy passes and has lapses in concentration.. It's just who he is
I think Njoku has some talent.. He's not complete garbage.. The problem with Njoku is he does not go the extra mile.. He's reached whatever ceiling he has... We still don't have a real tight end on this team.. Id rather have Steve Heiden instead of this tool... At least Heiden worked his ass off... This guy coasts a lot.. He drops easy passes and has lapses in concentration.. It's just who he is
I am not saying he is garbage. He is an average, run of the mill TE who is paid and treated like he is elite. Just on the list of Browns TE's, obviously Ozzie is at the top. Joke falls somewhere in there with Heiden, Aaron Shea and Harry Holt. They were all decent enough, but weren't sitting at the top of the TE pay scale.
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Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
Yeah, I think we're pretty close to being on the same page. Like I said about Njoku, I'm somewhere between stupid and stubborn thinking he can finally deliver the receiving production he was drafted to add. So far, I'm just Linus in the pumpkin patch with that...
As for Hopkins, even though we've added some young newbies that I'm excited about in the last 2 years (Tillman, Bell and hoping all the positive buzz about Moore is true) - there's NO substitute for the PROVEN success he's had in this league (and with Watson in particular). Wanting him to join us doesn't mean I think all of the additions will fail. I just think the combination of him and Cooper sharpens our prongs of attack in the passing game.
If it doesn't happen, it'll be fun to see what the newbies can do.
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Hopkins was suspended the first 6 games of last season because he tested positive for PED's
This will continue to happen more [not less] moving forward as the body breaks down.. I can't stomach paying cap and cash to a guy who risks his availability for the team ingesting random stuff.
"Supplements" have always been a question mark of actual content; "I Took A Supplement Named Happy Candy" is not an excuse or an explanation. The fact that the supplement market isn't regulated does in fact mean that the customer's first assumption should be that the words regarding the ingredients are 100% lies. If you think capitalists don't lie to you, you are the ideal sucker.
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Hopkins was suspended the first 6 games of last season because he tested positive for PED's
This will continue to happen more [not less] moving forward as the body breaks down.. I can't stomach paying cap and cash to a guy who risks his availability for the team ingesting random stuff.
"Supplements" have always been a question mark of actual content; "I Took A Supplement Named Happy Candy" is not an excuse or an explanation. The fact that the supplement market isn't regulated does in fact mean that the customer's first assumption should be that the words regarding the ingredients are 100% lies. If you think capitalists don't lie to you, you are the ideal sucker.
Hopkins was suspended the first 6 games of last season because he tested positive for PED's
This will continue to happen more [not less] moving forward as the body breaks down.. I can't stomach paying cap and cash to a guy who risks his availability for the team ingesting random stuff.
"Supplements" have always been a question mark of actual content; "I Took A Supplement Named Happy Candy" is not an excuse or an explanation. The fact that the supplement market isn't regulated does in fact mean that the customer's first assumption should be that the words regarding the ingredients are 100% lies. If you think capitalists don't lie to you, you are the ideal sucker.
The guy got injured and went on IR the season before he had tested positive. Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me that an NFL player coming off injury resorted to PEDs to expedite his return to normal. Will Fuller did the same thing coming off injury and he tested positive. There probably would be more guys testing positive if the testing wasn't just a random population. To your point though - nobody picked up Fuller last year. I pointed that out to someone last year when people were mentioning him as a possibility to add. I think he was closer to his end than Hopkins is today; but Hopkins is 31 so I could be very wrong about that.
Good news for you is the Browns won't over-exert themselves to try to sign him...
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Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
The Tillman pick is/was DPJ insurance when he’s on another team in 2024. DPJ is the kind of luxury you can’t afford when we really have to start making cap conscious decisions.
I like where you are going with the Hopkins signing and then shipping DPJ. We aren’t loaded with draft capital in 2024. Adding Hopkins to this room - how do you develop Bell or Tillman…Bell especially in Year 2 he needs physical reps.
The Tillman pick is/was DPJ insurance when he’s on another team in 2024. DPJ is the kind of luxury you can’t afford when we really have to start making cap conscious decisions.
I like where you are going with the Hopkins signing and then shipping DPJ. We aren’t loaded with draft capital in 2024. Adding Hopkins to this room - how do you develop Bell or Tillman…Bell especially in Year 2 he needs physical reps.
Yes and yes.
The Browns can't extend everyone, and while Watson's MAMMOTH contract IMO is going to look fairly run-of-the-mill in a season or so for a starting QB, eventually some decent players are going to have to go elsewhere to get their second contract. Tillman was drafted to replace DPJ.
I think the Browns need to think about how much longer they will keep Cooper around, so getting some of the younger players reps is important.
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Well Flugs, I mentioned Njoku because he is still around. I have never been a big fan. One of the most overrated players in browns history, IMO.
And to be fair to others points, if we sign Hopkins, welcome aboard. And it could make some sense.
I don't think we are going to be interested in signing DPJ to another contract. Tillman or Bell seem slotted as his replacement. If Hopkins is signed, it would open up trade possibilities and ship DPJ for some sort of return.
I think Njoku has some talent.. He's not complete garbage.. The problem with Njoku is he does not go the extra mile.. He's reached whatever ceiling he has... We still don't have a real tight end on this team.. Id rather have Steve Heiden instead of this tool... At least Heiden worked his ass off... This guy coasts a lot.. He drops easy passes and has lapses in concentration.. It's just who he is
I think Njoku has some talent.. He's not complete garbage.. The problem with Njoku is he does not go the extra mile.. He's reached whatever ceiling he has... We still don't have a real tight end on this team.. Id rather have Steve Heiden instead of this tool... At least Heiden worked his ass off... This guy coasts a lot.. He drops easy passes and has lapses in concentration.. It's just who he is
I was worried you were getting soft in those 1st 2 sentences before you settled in and delivered. Then you added in Steve Heiden for good measure.
You approached that like Mel's Kiper with rougher edges and a little more accuracy. Well done!
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
For reference. Not listed is Felton...nor Weston who's listed as Reserve/Retired. - How many WR's do we keep after cuts? (there's not a whole lot of room for anyone else)
Amari Cooper 2 WR 6-1 211 28 9 Alabama
Donovan Peoples-Jones 11 WR 6-2 204 24 4 Michigan
Elijah Moore 8 WR 5-10 180 23 3 Mississippi
Cedric Tillman 89 WR 6-3 215 23 R Tennessee
Marquise Goodwin 19 WR 5-9 185 32 10 Texas
David Bell 18 WR 6-1 212 22 2 Purdue
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Anthony Schwartz 10 WR 6-0 186 22 3 Auburn
Jakeem Grant Sr. 9 WR 5-6 170 30 8 Texas Tech
Michael Woods II 12 WR 6-1 204 23 2 Oklahoma
Mike Harley Jr. 82 WR 5-10 180 25 1 Miami (Fla.)
Daylen Baldwin 17 WR 6-2 212 23 1 Michigan
Jaelon Darden 16 WR 5-8 175 24 3 North Texas
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