▪︎ ● ? CLE @ SEA ● PRE GAME -3 of 3- THREAD ● SAT 8/24 @ 10 pm ||●--▪︎ It was RIGHT HERE ? ? Really it was.
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When we get into arguing Paul Brown vrs Vince Lombardi - it's like arguing favorite ice cream flavors. In my world nothing beats mint chocolate chip ice cream. That doesn't mean I'm right. It just means you're not gonna prove I'm wrong.
Nobody, not even Vince Lombardi - led his team to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship appearances (winning 7 of those) in their 1st 10 years as a Pro Football Head Coach. That was inclusive of making it to the NFL Title Game every one of the 1st 6 years the Browns participated in the NFL (winning 3 of the 6). That was after hearing all about "wait until they have to play REAL competition." They won the very 1st NFL Title Game they appeared in. More specifically, LAND HO!
You covered it all extremely well above so I'll just slip in 1 quick note. As for Paul Brown's winning championships at every level beginning with high school - he didn't just win multiple State Championships in Ohio. He also won 1 in Maryland.
2 former Paul Brown players went on to coach Multiple NFL Super Bowls/Dynasties. Paul Brown's former Messenger Guard Chuck Noll took the Steelers from nothing to our favorite NFL Team to hate. Don Shula was another former Cleveland Brown that appeared in 6 Super Bowls as a Head Coach. After losing his 1st Super Bowl appearance with the Colts in 68, he took the Dolphins to 5 Super Bowls (and won 2 of them). Shula is the only NFL Head Coach that combined a Super Bowl Championship with a perfect undefeated season in 1972 (the Browns took them into OT fwiw).
Other NFL Great Coaches that learned under Paul Brown? Ever hear of the West Coast Offense? Most of those components were from Paul Brown with some sprinkles Sid Gilman provided that former Paul Brown Assistant Coach Bill Walsh borrowed for the dynasty he built in SF. Many of Walsh's former Assistant Coaches inclusive of Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren and others enjoyed great success using the WCO with their teams. Former Paul Brown Assistant Weeb Ewbank went on to win 2 Titles as HC of the Colts and 1 Super Bowl Championship as HC of the Jets. Syd already mentioned and explained all this so I'm just piggy-backing some redundancy here because I join Syd in thinking a Championship Trophy should have been named after the guy. Maybe even just a Conference Championship Trophy. A Championship is a Championship whether it is called a Super Bowl Championship or a Championship Title.
Paul Brown has 3 NFL Championships. Sorry, but the AAFC was around only 4 years. I'm sure Browns fans are proud of winning the AAFC. I know it existed, but if you ask most NFL fans they have never even heard of it.
Look, someone here got upset that I posted something on the Super Bowl trophy being named after Vince Lombardi. Then he tried to make this a debate on Vince Lombardi vs. Paul Brown. I don't even consider Vince the greatest coach in Packers history. Curly Lambeau has a better resume than both Vince and Paul Brown. No disrespect to the Browns, but the Packers have several legendary coaches in their history to the Browns one.
If you want to sit here and try to one up the Packers franchise or their coaching history, you will lose and embarrass yourself every single time. Knock yourselves out though.
I respect the Browns history and all of the Paul Brown history, but it is silly to try and pretend either one is superior to Green Bay.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a 70 mile drive to Door County to get going on.
Just saw the Packers end their preseason in style. Time to get ready to face Philly in Brazil now. It gets real in 13 days.
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Paul Brown has 3 NFL Championships. Sorry, but the AAFC was around only 4 years. I'm sure Browns fans are proud of winning the AAFC. I know it existed, but if you ask most NFL fans they have never even heard of it.
I respect the Browns history and all of the Paul Brown history, but it is silly to try and pretend either one is superior to Green Bay.
If you look at your comment I bolded above - feel free to show me where I did that. The main thing I wanted to point out about Paul Brown was he won Championships at every level from high school to college to Pro Football.
I'll be happy to use your "if you ask most NFL fans" precedent. "If you ask most NFL fans what coach won the NFL Title way back in 1929?" I'm pretty confident the only people that are gonna immediately know it was Curley Lambeau without looking it up are the real die-hard Packers fans like yourself. Others would ask me if I understood how much more challenging it is 95 years later to win a Super Bowl Championship in a league that now has 32 teams compared to one that only had 12 teams in 1929.
Next, you do understand if your team's first kickoff was in 1919, they're probably going to have quite a few more Championships than a team that didn't play its first Pro Football game until 1946 right?
Last but not least, until they change the name of the Pro Football Hall of Fame to the NFL Hall of Fame - I'll continue to count all 4 Pro Football Championships the Browns won in their 1st 4 years of existence. Don't even try to pretend you wouldn't do the exact same thing if this was the evolution of the Packers. Speaking of the NFL that was supposed to be so overwhelming, the Browns won the NFL Championship in their very 1st year in the league. In fact, they made it to the NFL Championship Game every single year during their 1st 6 years in the league (winning 3 of them) before winning another one in 1964.
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Hey Vambo. ... nice littlle creature you've got there. ... mjp.
Many here may know this already, but in 1953 Paul Brown wanted Brownie The Elf put on the helmets. Thankfully he changed his mind after seeing the design.
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Many here may know this already, but in 1953 Paul Brown wanted Brownie The Elf put on the helmets. Thankfully he changed his mind after seeing the design.
you got a fucking problem with the elf ?
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Many here may know this already, but in 1953 Paul Brown wanted Brownie The Elf put on the helmets. Thankfully he changed his mind after seeing the design.
you got a fucking problem with the elf ?
you got a fucking problem with the elf ?
If I did, what are you gonna do about it? That's what I thought.
Brownie is fine, just glad he was never put on the helmet. The end.
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If I did, what are you gonna do about it? That's what I thought.
Brownie is fine, just glad he was never put on the helmet. The end.
It's absolutely TRUE that back in the 1950s era many of the players did not want to have that little child-like elfie thing anywhere on their uniforms ! I could not agree any more with them. They did win out with that. ... thank goodness.
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If I did, what are you gonna do about it? That's what I thought.
Brownie is fine, just glad he was never put on the helmet. The end.
Are most Packers fans as annoying as you are, or are you a special case?
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what are you gonna do about it
LMAO,Hey Fella's seem's like we got a internet tough guy here.
also you never did answer the question as what make's lombardo a better coach than Brown
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If I did, what are you gonna do about it? That's what I thought.
Brownie is fine, just glad he was never put on the helmet. The end.
Are most Packers fans as annoying as you are, or are you a special case?
Are most Packers fans as annoying as you are, or are you a special case?
No one is forcing you to read my comments. Put me on ignore, like I am about to do to you.
Enjoy the season! I know I will!
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I thought Aiden Robbins did well. I hope we can get him onto the PS.
Woods II made a nice TD catch at the end. Thrash catches the ball.
The new guy, Saylors, did pretty well running the ball.
NEXT UP, roster cuts. And the cuts could start happening any time now......
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Well at least I can see it on NFL Network tonight.
and why bother ?
and why bother ?
I will be tuning in as well. Will get at least a quarter of the starters, minus Watson. Winston should be good enough to put up 14 on the Hawks D. A good showing would make the team have some positivity while preparing for the Cowboys.
And unfortunately the other game was still on until about 3 minutes left in the 1st Q.
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I thought Aiden Robbins did well. I hope we can get him onto the PS.
Woods II made a nice TD catch at the end. Thrash catches the ball.
The new guy, Saylors, did pretty well running the ball.
NEXT UP, roster cuts. And the cuts could start happening any time now......
I thought Aiden Robbins did well. I hope we can get him onto the PS.
Woods II made a nice TD catch at the end. Thrash catches the ball.
The new guy, Saylors, did pretty well running the ball.
NEXT UP, roster cuts. And the cuts could start happening any time now......
Yeah, Saylors looked good as did Aiden Robbins.
I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup. The more experience he gets the better he looks.
WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I thought Aiden Robbins did well. I hope we can get him onto the PS.
Woods II made a nice TD catch at the end. Thrash catches the ball.
The new guy, Saylors, did pretty well running the ball.
NEXT UP, roster cuts. And the cuts could start happening any time now......
Yeah, Saylors looked good as did Aiden Robbins.
I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup. The more experience he gets the better he looks.
WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.
I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup. The more experience he gets the better he looks. We made that mistake last year. Turned out that the preseason success couldn't carry over to the regular season speed and ability of defenses. That said, he's not a totally green rookie this season.
I think it's a moot point anyway because Stef likes Winston and Berry might even trade DTR to be some other team's backup. Your best hope is that we keep 3 QB's on the roster. (it was Huntley that threw 3TD's and had a higher completion % last night....for what that's worth)
WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.
I like the way Tillman attacks the game. I hope he can contribute strongly this season.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I thought Aiden Robbins did well. I hope we can get him onto the PS.
Woods II made a nice TD catch at the end. Thrash catches the ball.
The new guy, Saylors, did pretty well running the ball.
NEXT UP, roster cuts. And the cuts could start happening any time now......
Yeah, Saylors looked good as did Aiden Robbins.
I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup. The more experience he gets the better he looks.
WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.
Yeah, Saylors looked good as did Aiden Robbins.
I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup. The more experience he gets the better he looks.
WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.
I didn't get to watch the game, actually I really didn't get to watch any of the preseason games this year.
I just remember how good he looked in last preseason too, and then was overmatched once he had to play in real games.
I'd still rather roll with Winston as the #2.
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I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup. The more experience he gets the better he looks. We made that mistake last year. Turned out that the preseason success couldn't carry over to the regular season speed and ability of defenses. That said, he's not a totally green rookie this season.
I think it's a moot point anyway because Stef likes Winston and Berry might even trade DTR to be some other team's backup. Your best hope is that we keep 3 QB's on the roster. (it was Huntley that threw 3TD's and had a higher completion % last night....for what that's worth)
WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.
I like the way Tillman attacks the game. I hope he can contribute strongly this season.
I like the way Tillman attacks the game. I hope he can contribute strongly this season.
We really need a young WR to establish himself this season, as it appears Cooper's days are numbered here.
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We really need a young WR to establish himself
Here's our current WR's. If we wind up rostering 3 QB's, is it possible to keep 7 WR's?
Jerry Jeudy 3 WR 6-1 195 25 5 Alabama
Amari Cooper 2 WR 6-1 211 30 10 Alabama
Elijah Moore 8 WR 5-10 180 24 4 Mississippi
Cedric Tillman 19 WR 6-3 215 24 2 Tennessee
Jamari Thrash 80 WR 6-0 190 23 R Louisville
David Bell 18 WR 6-1 212 23 3 Purdue
Michael Woods II 81 WR 6-1 204 24 2 Oklahoma
James Proche II 11 WR 5-11 193 27 5 SMU
Ahmarean Brown 87 WR 5-8 170 23 R South Carolina
Jaelon Darden 16 WR 5-8 175 25 3 North Texas
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Michael Woods looked really good. Could Bell go on PUP?
Otherwise it doesn’t look like a spot for MWll
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