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so, issue 1.
another bs fake solution to a problem that benefits cheaters, which the dems do well.
They want 5 reps, 5 dems, 5 "independents".
So, I don't know how they are chosen. But you know the dems register as "republicans" so they can screw the
primaries up because they don't have any choice if they register dem, like they had no choice with kamoola marx.
So, the "indpendents" will surely secretly be dems, and they will draw the districts according to their benefit.
Can't hold them responsible in elections, I guess.
So, where is the "solution" ? It will just CAUSE problems, and won't solve the major one.
Everything the dems want and do is solely for political and emotional benefit.
That is why the border is a severe crisis, why obaMaocare was damaging to our health care, why LBJ's "Great Society" created a subculture of dependency and births for those checks coming in. That is why the legalization of pot has caused a lot of serious problems, like in Colorado. "defund the police". abortion on demand anytime, even pba. Attacks on our 2nd Amendment and 1st Amendment, while guns are outlawed, but the gangs and criminals have guns and no one takes them away.
On and on, "change" is strictly for the benefits they can glean from a law passing - giving them the advantage and more control.
No problems get solved.
The last nearly four years is absolute proof of it.
so, issue 1.
another bs fake solution to a problem that benefits cheaters, which the dems do well.
They want 5 reps, 5 dems, 5 "independents".
So, I don't know how they are chosen. But you know the dems register as "republicans" so they can screw the
primaries up because they don't have any choice if they register dem, like they had no choice with kamoola marx.
So, the "indpendents" will surely secretly be dems, and they will draw the districts according to their benefit.
Can't hold them responsible in elections, I guess.
So, where is the "solution" ? It will just CAUSE problems, and won't solve the major one.
Everything the dems want and do is solely for political and emotional benefit.
That is why the border is a severe crisis, why obaMaocare was damaging to our health care, why LBJ's "Great Society" created a subculture of dependency and births for those checks coming in. That is why the legalization of pot has caused a lot of serious problems, like in Colorado. "defund the police". abortion on demand anytime, even pba. Attacks on our 2nd Amendment and 1st Amendment, while guns are outlawed, but the gangs and criminals have guns and no one takes them away.
On and on, "change" is strictly for the benefits they can glean from a law passing - giving them the advantage and more control.
No problems get solved.
The last nearly four years is absolute proof of it.
Again, this information is out there if you actually wanted to learn. We know how they will be chosen
But I'm sure it's easier for you to live in your tinfoil hat world. Is the deep state in the room with you now, Cal?
You even derailed into incoherent ramblings and got an "Obamao" in there. You people want to scream "TDS" and here you are still obsessed with Obama...
For you to think this is just a Dem power grab when Republicans have gerrymandered so hard the last few years their maps were rejected 6 times is fucking hilarious and insane. You're so politically blinded it's mind blowing
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
It's a cluster fuck of gerrymandered districts that constantly get shot down and redrawn now. It's a broken system that allows the party in power to stack the deck and stay in power.
Why would I care about "outside special interest funding" if that special interest is just trying to end gerrymandering across the country?
You gotta admit the wording of the amendment leads to questions that aren’t immediately find-outable.
In layman’s terms, and assuming l understand the gist of the amendment, rather than have our elected officials do the gerrymandering, we’re going to appoint a panel of 15 people to do it instead, and those people will consist of republicans, democrats and independents, and what they say goes and that’s just how it’ll be.
I don’t expect it will pass. Every hardcore republican and democrat voter is going to want to know how many of their party will be involved in this panel, and what kind of independents and how many of those?
I agree gerrymandering is lame. At the very least it’s one of the many instances where you’re disappointed in your elected officials because, come on guys, this is what l’m paying you for?
I don’t think Issue 1 is the solution we will agree on though.
You gotta admit the wording of the amendment leads to questions that aren’t immediately find-outable.
In layman’s terms, and assuming l understand the gist of the amendment, rather than have our elected officials do the gerrymandering, we’re going to appoint a panel of 15 people to do it instead, and those people will consist of republicans, democrats and independents, and what they say goes and that’s just how it’ll be.
I don’t expect it will pass. Every hardcore republican and democrat voter is going to want to know how many of their party will be involved in this panel, and what kind of independents and how many of those?
I agree gerrymandering is lame. At the very least it’s one of the many instances where you’re disappointed in your elected officials because, come on guys, this is what l’m paying you for?
I don’t think Issue 1 is the solution we will agree on though.
RE: The bold... I disagree... I expect it to pass, rather easily. I couldn't find the number, but I'm sure it was in the 100s of thousands of signatures to get Issue 1 on the ballot in the first place. The number of Ohioans who are totally fed up with the repeated bullshit of Republicans drawing up gerrymandered districts- only to have them repeatedly get shot down by the Ohio Supreme Court is legion. The howling from the State GOP officeholders tells me everything I need to know. As Woody posted... It's written confusingly on purpose by Republicans trying to preserve their power grab. IIRC, the final wording of the ballot language wound up being contested in court- more than once.
BTW, I've heard somewhere the Republicans are already planning on getting another amendment on the Ballot next year to try and repeal Issue 1, assuming it passes. Poor little guys having a hissy fit. ?
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so, issue 1.
another bs fake solution to a problem that benefits cheaters, which the dems do well.
They want 5 reps, 5 dems, 5 "independents".
So, I don't know how they are chosen. But you know the dems register as "republicans" so they can screw the
primaries up because they don't have any choice if they register dem, like they had no choice with kamoola marx.
So, the "indpendents" will surely secretly be dems, and they will draw the districts according to their benefit.
Can't hold them responsible in elections, I guess.
So, where is the "solution" ? It will just CAUSE problems, and won't solve the major one.
Everything the dems want and do is solely for political and emotional benefit.
That is why the border is a severe crisis, why obaMaocare was damaging to our health care, why LBJ's "Great Society" created a subculture of dependency and births for those checks coming in. That is why the legalization of pot has caused a lot of serious problems, like in Colorado. "defund the police". abortion on demand anytime, even pba. Attacks on our 2nd Amendment and 1st Amendment, while guns are outlawed, but the gangs and criminals have guns and no one takes them away.
On and on, "change" is strictly for the benefits they can glean from a law passing - giving them the advantage and more control.
No problems get solved.
The last nearly four years is absolute proof of it.
Again, this information is out there if you actually wanted to learn. We know how they will be chosen
But I'm sure it's easier for you to live in your tinfoil hat world. Is the deep state in the room with you now, Cal?
You even derailed into incoherent ramblings and got an "Obamao" in there. You people want to scream "TDS" and here you are still obsessed with Obama...
For you to think this is just a Dem power grab when Republicans have gerrymandered so hard the last few years their maps were rejected 6 times is fucking hilarious and insane. You're so politically blinded it's mind blowing
Again, this information is out there if you actually wanted to learn. We know how they will be chosen
But I'm sure it's easier for you to live in your tinfoil hat world. Is the deep state in the room with you now, Cal?
You even derailed into incoherent ramblings and got an "Obamao" in there. You people want to scream "TDS" and here you are still obsessed with Obama...
For you to think this is just a Dem power grab when Republicans have gerrymandered so hard the last few years their maps were rejected 6 times is fucking hilarious and insane. You're so politically blinded it's mind blowing
That appears to be a broken link.
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Again, this information is out there if you actually wanted to learn. We know how they will be chosen
But I'm sure it's easier for you to live in your tinfoil hat world. Is the deep state in the room with you now, Cal?
You even derailed into incoherent ramblings and got an "Obamao" in there. You people want to scream "TDS" and here you are still obsessed with Obama...
For you to think this is just a Dem power grab when Republicans have gerrymandered so hard the last few years their maps were rejected 6 times is fucking hilarious and insane. You're so politically blinded it's mind blowing
That appears to be a broken link.
That appears to be a broken link.
Fixed it
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It's a cluster fuck of gerrymandered districts that constantly get shot down and redrawn now. It's a broken system that allows the party in power to stack the deck and stay in power.
Why would I care about "outside special interest funding" if that special interest is just trying to end gerrymandering across the country?
You gotta admit the wording of the amendment leads to questions that aren’t immediately find-outable.
In layman’s terms, and assuming l understand the gist of the amendment, rather than have our elected officials do the gerrymandering, we’re going to appoint a panel of 15 people to do it instead, and those people will consist of republicans, democrats and independents, and what they say goes and that’s just how it’ll be.
I don’t expect it will pass. Every hardcore republican and democrat voter is going to want to know how many of their party will be involved in this panel, and what kind of independents and how many of those?
I agree gerrymandering is lame. At the very least it’s one of the many instances where you’re disappointed in your elected officials because, come on guys, this is what l’m paying you for?
I don’t think Issue 1 is the solution we will agree on though.
I think it will pass and it's a huge mistake.
You guys don't know who's behind it, what if it's a conservative special interest group? What if the Republicans want it to pass?
In layman’s terms, and assuming l understand the gist of the amendment, rather than have our elected officials do the gerrymandering, we’re going to appoint a panel of 15 people to do it instead, and those people will consist of republicans, democrats and independents, and what they say goes and that’s just how it’ll be.
Bleed gets it, you don't just put people in charge you know nothing about and haven't been voted in.
Right now our elected officials are held accountable, after this they will not be.(whoever they will be)
You guys are so quick to give away our freedoms and protection.
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issue one is a hard no btw, doesn't matter if you're dem or rep.
Jax, it's a hard no- only if you're a hard core Card Carrying member of the GOP... Got an interesting flyer in the mail yesterday from the retired Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court. (supporting Issue 1 BTW) The gerrymandered districts the Republicans drew up were rejected by the court SEVEN stinking times over the years. IIRC, Ohio voters passed initiatives a couple times to try and curtail the republican dominated redistricting's commission's bullshit- and It didn't work.
So Welcome to nuclear Issue 1, taking redistricting out of the hands of politicians. From my POV- it was time to tell DeWine and the other GOP members on the commission to go pound salt. Hardly surprising that they'd draw up districts favoring their political pals. Ever take a look at what Jim Jordan's district looks like? I have. ?
Jax, it's a hard no- only if you're a hard core Card Carrying member of the GOP... Got an interesting flyer in the mail yesterday from the retired Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court. (supporting Issue 1 BTW) The gerrymandered districts the Republicans drew up were rejected by the court SEVEN stinking times over the years. IIRC, Ohio voters passed initiatives a couple times to try and curtail the republican dominated redistricting's commission's bullshit- and It didn't work.
So Welcome to nuclear Issue 1, taking redistricting out of the hands of politicians. From my POV- it was time to tell DeWine and the other GOP members on the commission to go pound salt. Hardly surprising that they'd draw up districts favoring their political pals. Ever take a look at what Jim Jordan's district looks like? I have. ?
Yes, anytime an issue is backed by the ACLU it has our best interests at heart. ???
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Hoorta is a 100 percent bleeding heart liberal/communist.
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I think it will pass and it's a huge mistake.
You guys don't know who's behind it, what if it's a conservative special interest group? What if the Republicans want it to pass?
In layman’s terms, and assuming l understand the gist of the amendment, rather than have our elected officials do the gerrymandering, we’re going to appoint a panel of 15 people to do it instead, and those people will consist of republicans, democrats and independents, and what they say goes and that’s just how it’ll be.
Bleed gets it, you don't just put people in charge you know nothing about and haven't been voted in.
Right now our elected officials are held accountable, after this they will not be.(whoever they will be)
You guys are so quick to give away our freedoms and protection.
I think it will pass and it's a huge mistake.
You guys don't know who's behind it, what if it's a conservative special interest group? What if the Republicans want it to pass?
Bleed gets it, you don't just put people in charge you know nothing about and haven't been voted in.
Right now our elected officials are held accountable, after this they will not be.(whoever they will be)
You guys are so quick to give away our freedoms and protection.
We know Republicans aren't behind it because they're currently behind fighting it and continuing to gerrymander.
The folks will be vetted by a committee of retired judges. The group will be split evenly across party lines.
The current system of "accountability" is a joke. The people in charge are stacking the deck and making it increasingly difficult to hold them accountable (the gerrymandering). Having fair districts isn't something that should be up to politicians. They should just be a fact of life.
Honestly surprising to me that conservatives have convinced the base to essentially be pro gerrymandering. But I imagine they realize they're voting more to keep Republicans with an advantage and not really concerning themselves about how.
For the record I don't care which party this would or wouldn't benefit. I see it as an obvious change that needs to happen. Like ranked choice voting and fixing our electoral college
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Just wondering if they're many things as useless as premature poll/prognosis/speculation?
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I think it will pass and it's a huge mistake.
You guys don't know who's behind it, what if it's a conservative special interest group? What if the Republicans want it to pass?
Bleed gets it, you don't just put people in charge you know nothing about and haven't been voted in.
Right now our elected officials are held accountable, after this they will not be.(whoever they will be)
You guys are so quick to give away our freedoms and protection.
We know Republicans aren't behind it because they're currently behind fighting it and continuing to gerrymander.
The folks will be vetted by a committee of retired judges. The group will be split evenly across party lines.
The current system of "accountability" is a joke. The people in charge are stacking the deck and making it increasingly difficult to hold them accountable (the gerrymandering). Having fair districts isn't something that should be up to politicians. They should just be a fact of life.
Honestly surprising to me that conservatives have convinced the base to essentially be pro gerrymandering. But I imagine they realize they're voting more to keep Republicans with an advantage and not really concerning themselves about how.
For the record I don't care which party this would or wouldn't benefit. I see it as an obvious change that needs to happen. Like ranked choice voting and fixing our electoral college
For the record I don't care which party this would or wouldn't benefit. I see it as an obvious change that needs to happen. Like ranked choice voting and fixing our electoral college
That's what makes your opinion worthless.
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It's always going to be considered gerrymandering by the side with less power.
Giving in to fear mongering as always.
It's always going to be considered gerrymandering by the side with less power.
Giving in to fear mongering as always.
Except .... No ... That's not how this works.
You're dismissing everything as gerrymandering so you can defend... Gerrymandering.
Look, man, if you only goal is to vote for whatever gives Republicans the most power, regardless of any fairness or anything else, then that's your choice. Just don't pretend you're doing anything more than that.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
It's always going to be considered gerrymandering by the side with less power.
Giving in to fear mongering as always.
Except .... No ... That's not how this works.
You're dismissing everything as gerrymandering so you can defend... Gerrymandering.
Look, man, if you only goal is to vote for whatever gives Republicans the most power, regardless of any fairness or anything else, then that's your choice. Just don't pretend you're doing anything more than that.
Except .... No ... That's not how this works.
You're dismissing everything as gerrymandering so you can defend... Gerrymandering.
Look, man, if you only goal is to vote for whatever gives Republicans the most power, regardless of any fairness or anything else, then that's your choice. Just don't pretend you're doing anything more than that.
You support Gerrymandering, just trying to hide it with a Yes vote which supports Gerrymandering.
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It's always going to be considered gerrymandering by the side with less power.
Giving in to fear mongering as always.
Except .... No ... That's not how this works.
You're dismissing everything as gerrymandering so you can defend... Gerrymandering.
Look, man, if you only goal is to vote for whatever gives Republicans the most power, regardless of any fairness or anything else, then that's your choice. Just don't pretend you're doing anything more than that.
Look, man, if you only goal is to vote for whatever gives Republicans the most power, regardless of any fairness or anything else, then that's your choice. Just don't pretend you're doing anything more than that.
Classic projection.
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Look, man, if you only goal is to vote for whatever gives Republicans the most power, regardless of any fairness or anything else, then that's your choice. Just don't pretend you're doing anything more than that.
Classic projection.
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Hoorta is a 100 percent bleeding heart liberal/communist.
Hoorta is a 100 percent bleeding heart liberal/communist.
what? anyone who won't kiss Trump's demented ass is a communist? I beg to differ on that one.
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