Currently our 2025 first round pick is....
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Haven't read through the whole thread but what do you guys think about Abdul Carter, the edge from Penn State for our 1st pick? Wouldn't he be more of an immediate impact player opposite Myles and also insurance if Myles demands a trade?
He's definitely on the short-list of players that should be considered at the top of the draft for me.
The Browns need a dynamic edge player regardless if Myles will be on the roster in 2025 or not.
He's definitely on the short-list of players that should be considered at the top of the draft for me.
The Browns need a dynamic edge player regardless if Myles will be on the roster in 2025 or not.
Improving the defense will probably give us more bang for the buck than shooting for questionable QBs in the first round.
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He's definitely on the short-list of players that should be considered at the top of the draft for me.
The Browns need a dynamic edge player regardless if Myles will be on the roster in 2025 or not.
Improving the defense will probably give us more bang for the buck than shooting for questionable QBs in the first round.
Improving the defense will probably give us more bang for the buck than shooting for questionable QBs in the first round.
If a Justin Herbert-type guy was sitting at top of the draft, I'd be all for it.
But yes, there are a ton of DLine guys specifically that I like, along with OTackles.
I'm hoping we finish #1, and trade down.
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There's no 1st rd talent (generational imo) at QB. We have 2nd pick overall. What kind of haul could we get for that. Would have to be pretty good.
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There's no 1st rd talent (generational imo) at QB. We have 2nd pick overall. What kind of haul could we get for that. Would have to be pretty good.
There's no 1st rd talent (generational imo) at QB. We have 2nd pick overall. What kind of haul could we get for that. Would have to be pretty good.
Well, according to your 1st phrase...who the hell would trade with us? That would be stupid wouldn't it?
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Well, according to your 1st phrase...who the hell would trade with us? That would be stupid wouldn't it?
There are other stupid teams. We are not the only one
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There's no 1st rd talent (generational imo) at QB. We have 2nd pick overall. What kind of haul could we get for that. Would have to be pretty good.
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There are other stupid teams. We are not the only one
Fact
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Agreed. Generation talent means once in a generation. You rarely have those in the draft.
Cam Ward is very good and could become great if the Browns organization was top notch, presently it is too disorganized to nurture talent. Lamarr Jackson wasn't considered a great QB in his draft but look at where he is now with a stable organization and good coaching.
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Agreed. Generation talent means once in a generation. You rarely have those in the draft.
Cam Ward is very good and could become great if the Browns organization was top notch, presently it is too disorganized to nurture talent. Lamarr Jackson wasn't considered a great QB in his draft but look at where he is now with a stable organization and good coaching.
Cam Ward is very good and could become great if the Browns organization was top notch, presently it is too disorganized to nurture talent. Lamarr Jackson wasn't considered a great QB in his draft but look at where he is now with a stable organization and good coaching.
I'd 100% take Cam at #2. I wouldn't be surprised if the Titans take him #1 though.
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Trade back and build up draft capital
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
So... initial games and rough charting of Cam Ward done. Hear me out on this Cam Fans.
Cam Ward - 6'2 (ish) 220lbs. Elongated slow throwing motion, slow mechanics, inconsistent delivery and questionable footwork.
Mystery QB - 6'1 3/8(ish) 219lbs. Elongated, slow throwing motion, slow mechanics, inconsistent delivery and questionable footwork.
Both have a release that tends to push the ball out with an inconsistent nose trajectory that either has it drive downwards or upwards with too much air, sapping downfield accuracy and velocity. Both have a style that leads to batted passes at the line with a flat release, the mystery QB slightly more-so. Both have a similar athletic profile with similar first step take-off speed and aren't great at navigating decaying pocket integrity with intent to distribute off-schedule but to initial read-side structure.
Both played in the same conference and put up amazing numbers.
One is viewed as an initial mid-round pick, the other possibly as the #2 overall QB and I'm sure with "whispers" of #1.
Both faced a schedule of defenses that rank in the bottom 1/3 in all of CFB collectively.
Who is the mystery QB?
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Trade back and build up draft capital
smoke weed and let someone else figure it out
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So... initial games and rough charting of Cam Ward done. Hear me out on this Cam Fans.
Cam Ward - 6'2 (ish) 220lbs. Elongated slow throwing motion, slow mechanics, inconsistent delivery and questionable footwork.
Mystery QB - 6'1 3/8(ish) 219lbs. Elongated, slow throwing motion, slow mechanics, inconsistent delivery and questionable footwork.
Both have a release that tends to push the ball out with an inconsistent nose trajectory that either has it drive downwards or upwards with too much air, sapping downfield accuracy and velocity. Both have a style that leads to batted passes at the line with a flat release, the mystery QB slightly more-so. Both have a similar athletic profile with similar first step take-off speed and aren't great at navigating decaying pocket integrity with intent to distribute off-schedule but to initial read-side structure.
Both played in the same conference and put up amazing numbers.
One is viewed as an initial mid-round pick, the other possibly as the #2 overall QB and I'm sure with "whispers" of #1.
Both faced a schedule of defenses that rank in the bottom 1/3 in all of CFB collectively.
Who is the mystery QB?
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So... initial games and rough charting of Cam Ward done. Hear me out on this Cam Fans.
Cam Ward - 6'2 (ish) 220lbs. Elongated slow throwing motion, slow mechanics, inconsistent delivery and questionable footwork.
Mystery QB - 6'1 3/8(ish) 219lbs. Elongated, slow throwing motion, slow mechanics, inconsistent delivery and questionable footwork.
Both have a release that tends to push the ball out with an inconsistent nose trajectory that either has it drive downwards or upwards with too much air, sapping downfield accuracy and velocity. Both have a style that leads to batted passes at the line with a flat release, the mystery QB slightly more-so. Both have a similar athletic profile with similar first step take-off speed and aren't great at navigating decaying pocket integrity with intent to distribute off-schedule but to initial read-side structure.
Both played in the same conference and put up amazing numbers.
One is viewed as an initial mid-round pick, the other possibly as the #2 overall QB and I'm sure with "whispers" of #1.
Both faced a schedule of defenses that rank in the bottom 1/3 in all of CFB collectively.
Who is the mystery QB?
So... initial games and rough charting of Cam Ward done. Hear me out on this Cam Fans.
Cam Ward - 6'2 (ish) 220lbs. Elongated slow throwing motion, slow mechanics, inconsistent delivery and questionable footwork.
Mystery QB - 6'1 3/8(ish) 219lbs. Elongated, slow throwing motion, slow mechanics, inconsistent delivery and questionable footwork.
Both have a release that tends to push the ball out with an inconsistent nose trajectory that either has it drive downwards or upwards with too much air, sapping downfield accuracy and velocity. Both have a style that leads to batted passes at the line with a flat release, the mystery QB slightly more-so. Both have a similar athletic profile with similar first step take-off speed and aren't great at navigating decaying pocket integrity with intent to distribute off-schedule but to initial read-side structure.
Both played in the same conference and put up amazing numbers.
One is viewed as an initial mid-round pick, the other possibly as the #2 overall QB and I'm sure with "whispers" of #1.
Both faced a schedule of defenses that rank in the bottom 1/3 in all of CFB collectively.
Who is the mystery QB?
Wild ass guess - Kyle Mccord?
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Cade Klubnik Clemson?
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Wild ass guess - Kyle Mccord?
You've earned yourself one Milk Dud, sir. Go treat Yoself.
edit: Watching and charting McCord. I'm willing to hear compelling arguments on how Cam Ward is head and shoulders above Kyle.... But I'm not seeing it. This likely speaks to the shallow QB class that this will be. Because Kyle is a late to UDFA in any other year.
Both have incredibly similar games within and outside the pocket.
edit: Let me be clear by saying both are physically capable. However their passing mechanics are going to hold them back in the NFL. They also both need quite a bit of work on the eye side of things. 'Cuse offense really let Kyle rip and tear with volume.
Neither are day 1 starters and need significant time to revamp their footwork and delivery fundamentals.
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Cade Klubnik Clemson?
Negative
Wild ass guess - Kyle Mccord?
You've earned yourself one Milk Dud, sir. Go treat Yoself.
edit: Watching and charting McCord. I'm willing to hear compelling arguments on how Cam Ward is head and shoulders above Kyle.... But I'm not seeing it. This likely speaks to the shallow QB class that this will be. Because Kyle is a late to UDFA in any other year.
Both have incredibly similar games within and outside the pocket.
edit: Let me be clear by saying both are physically capable. However their passing mechanics are going to hold them back in the NFL. They also both need quite a bit of work on the eye side of things. 'Cuse offense really let Kyle rip and tear with volume.
Neither are day 1 starters and need significant time to revamp their footwork and delivery fundamentals.
Negative
You've earned yourself one Milk Dud, sir. Go treat Yoself.
Ward had many games where the game was on the line and he produced. That's not really a stat that is tracked so far as I know. It would be interesting to see how many of these QBs were able to put together drives when needed. It's subjective and hard to quantify but I'd be curious if it was analyzed.
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Negative
You've earned yourself one Milk Dud, sir. Go treat Yoself.
Ward had many games where the game was on the line and he produced. That's not really a stat that is tracked so far as I know. It would be interesting to see how many of these QBs were able to put together drives when needed. It's subjective and hard to quantify but I'd be curious if it was analyzed.
Ward had many games where the game was on the line and he produced. That's not really a stat that is tracked so far as I know. It would be interesting to see how many of these QBs were able to put together drives when needed. It's subjective and hard to quantify but I'd be curious if it was analyzed.
I can work on it, but I can also tell you that that Miami and 'Cuse have faced a defensive strength of schedule that floats near the 60's.
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