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    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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    There probably is something wrong with it. Haven't looked into it. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a lack of funding. Who knows 

    The more hilarious/concerning thing here, to me, is that Nickers frequents gateway pundit. Though I guess it isn't that surprising. 

    We really needed to teach old folks Internet media literacy before letting them run wild on the Internet 

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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      "Due to these factors, it’s no wonder Sun Fresh Market is now on the verge of closing despite receiving millions in taxpayer funding."

      Hmm, try again boy wonder.

      Whatever the reason is, doesn't matter, the point is it didn't work.

      Do you like the idea of gov't controlled grocery stores?

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        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by MLD Woody
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        Again, I'd defer to local reporting, or at least much less biased reporting. Quick reading shows millions for the shopping center, and a delay in getting funding to the grocery store. Probably also some incompetence involved, like in most everything. One example in one spot isn't proof of something not working. Though I know conservatives love just running with singular anecdotes. 

        Food deserts are a real thing. Capitalism isn't perfect. Far from it. Leaving it up to capitalism you get low income neighborhoods without access to fresh foods/grocery stores and just fast food/convenience stores. I think government run or government subsidized grocery stores in these food desert areas makes sense. 

        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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          Again, I'd defer to local reporting, or at least much less biased reporting. Quick reading shows millions for the shopping center, and a delay in getting funding to the grocery store. Probably also some incompetence involved, like in most everything. One example in one spot isn't proof of something not working. Though I know conservatives love just running with singular anecdotes. 

          Food deserts are a real thing. Capitalism isn't perfect. Far from it. Leaving it up to capitalism you get low income neighborhoods without access to fresh foods/grocery stores and just fast food/convenience stores. I think government run or government subsidized grocery stores in these food desert areas makes sense. 

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          @mld-woody said:

          peck 

          baloney. woodpecker attacks sources, and doesn't list his own sources here.

          gov owned grocery stores...nope.

          https://reason.com/2025/06/27/america-has-plenty-of-experience-with-government-run-stores-and-it-isnt-pretty/

          America Has Plenty of Experience With Government-Run Stores, and It Isn't Pretty

          New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani wants to open city-owned grocery stores. The U.S. already has a few, and they're a cautionary tale.

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            There probably is something wrong with it. Haven't looked into it. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a lack of funding. Who knows 

            The more hilarious/concerning thing here, to me, is that Nickers frequents gateway pundit. Though I guess it isn't that surprising. 

            We really needed to teach old folks Internet media literacy before letting them run wild on the Internet 

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            nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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            @mld-woody said:

            There probably is something wrong with it. Haven't looked into it. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a lack of funding. Who knows 

            The more hilarious/concerning thing here, to me, is that Nickers frequents gateway pundit. Though I guess it isn't that surprising. 

            We really needed to teach old folks Internet media literacy before letting them run wild on the Internet 

            No unlike you... I don't follow anything or anyone.. I don't do "Subscriptions" to anything because my $$'s are better spent elsewhere.. I couldn't care less about the "Gateway Pundit" or any other outlet for that matter..

            Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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              www.city-journal.org.ico

              City Journal

              https://www.city-journal.org › article › zohran-mamdani-government-run-grocery-stores-new-york-city

              Government-Run Grocery Stores? These New Yorkers Are Skeptical

              Jun 24, 2025Zohran Mamdani claims his city-run supermarket proposal would lower prices, but small-business owners and their customers see it as a dubious and costly proposition.
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                @mld-woody said:

                There probably is something wrong with it. Haven't looked into it. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a lack of funding. Who knows 

                The more hilarious/concerning thing here, to me, is that Nickers frequents gateway pundit. Though I guess it isn't that surprising. 

                We really needed to teach old folks Internet media literacy before letting them run wild on the Internet 

                No unlike you... I don't follow anything or anyone.. I don't do "Subscriptions" to anything because my $$'s are better spent elsewhere.. I couldn't care less about the "Gateway Pundit" or any other outlet for that matter..

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                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                @nickers said:

                No unlike you... I don't follow anything or anyone.. I don't do "Subscriptions" to anything because my $$'s are better spent elsewhere.. I couldn't care less about the "Gateway Pundit" or any other outlet for that matter..

                What exactly do I follow or pay a subscription to?

                Regardless of what you do or don't follow, you should recognize the biased trash gateway pundit is. But then again, that's kind of the point. These sites exist just to regurgitate ideas you already believe back to you. You may not be a "follower" of gateway pundit but you found it, read it, and shared it for a reason. 

                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                  @nickers said:

                  No unlike you... I don't follow anything or anyone.. I don't do "Subscriptions" to anything because my $$'s are better spent elsewhere.. I couldn't care less about the "Gateway Pundit" or any other outlet for that matter..

                  What exactly do I follow or pay a subscription to?

                  Regardless of what you do or don't follow, you should recognize the biased trash gateway pundit is. But then again, that's kind of the point. These sites exist just to regurgitate ideas you already believe back to you. You may not be a "follower" of gateway pundit but you found it, read it, and shared it for a reason. 

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                  nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                  @mld-woody said:

                  What exactly do I follow or pay a subscription to?

                  Regardless of what you do or don't follow, you should recognize the biased trash gateway pundit is. But then again, that's kind of the point. These sites exist just to regurgitate ideas you already believe back to you. You may not be a "follower" of gateway pundit but you found it, read it, and shared it for a reason. 

                  Wow your dumber than I feared... What you pay for is your business Goober.. I don't give a shit.. Keep deflecting , Moron...

                  Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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                    @nickers said:

                    No unlike you... I don't follow anything or anyone.. I don't do "Subscriptions" to anything because my $$'s are better spent elsewhere.. I couldn't care less about the "Gateway Pundit" or any other outlet for that matter..

                    What exactly do I follow or pay a subscription to?

                    Regardless of what you do or don't follow, you should recognize the biased trash gateway pundit is. But then again, that's kind of the point. These sites exist just to regurgitate ideas you already believe back to you. You may not be a "follower" of gateway pundit but you found it, read it, and shared it for a reason. 

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    What exactly do I follow or pay a subscription to?

                    Regardless of what you do or don't follow, you should recognize the biased trash gateway pundit is. But then again, that's kind of the point. These sites exist just to regurgitate ideas you already believe back to you. You may not be a "follower" of gateway pundit but you found it, read it, and shared it for a reason. 

                    In other words, it doesn't doesn't match woodys thinking and he has no way to refute anything.

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      What exactly do I follow or pay a subscription to?

                      Regardless of what you do or don't follow, you should recognize the biased trash gateway pundit is. But then again, that's kind of the point. These sites exist just to regurgitate ideas you already believe back to you. You may not be a "follower" of gateway pundit but you found it, read it, and shared it for a reason. 

                      In other words, it doesn't doesn't match woodys thinking and he has no way to refute anything.

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                      nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                      @jax said:

                      In other words, it doesn't doesn't match woodys thinking and he has no way to refute anything.

                      Exactly... He provides 0 in any form of rebuttal.. He just keeps percolating along in his lonely bubble of stupidity..

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                        IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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                        I read the article in the OP earlier this morning, and l had more questions than anything. I’m far removed from Kansas City and l wasn’t aware state run grocery stores was a thing or how this came to be. I found this helpful.

                        https://showmeinstitute.org/blog/subsidies/sun-freshs-struggles-were-predictableand-predicted/

                        Apparently it was an attempt to fill a perceived need in an underserved community (aka poor community) in an attempt to spark some urban renewal, basically hoping others would invest in the area around it with a shiny new grocery store.

                        It stands to reason that if an actual grocery store that does this sort of thing for a living can’t make it work, they won’t be able to make it work either.

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          What exactly do I follow or pay a subscription to?

                          Regardless of what you do or don't follow, you should recognize the biased trash gateway pundit is. But then again, that's kind of the point. These sites exist just to regurgitate ideas you already believe back to you. You may not be a "follower" of gateway pundit but you found it, read it, and shared it for a reason. 

                          Wow your dumber than I feared... What you pay for is your business Goober.. I don't give a shit.. Keep deflecting , Moron...

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          @nickers said:

                          Wow your dumber than I feared... What you pay for is your business Goober.. I don't give a shit.. Keep deflecting , Moron...

                          You led with "unlink you" in your last post. 

                          But we've been down this path before. You seem to immediately forget what you just posted. Or you have lost all reading comprehension ability. Regardless, you seem to get lost like this constantly. 

                          I sincerely mean this but I think you're one of the dumbest individuals I've even "met". 

                          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                            @mld-woody said:

                            What exactly do I follow or pay a subscription to?

                            Regardless of what you do or don't follow, you should recognize the biased trash gateway pundit is. But then again, that's kind of the point. These sites exist just to regurgitate ideas you already believe back to you. You may not be a "follower" of gateway pundit but you found it, read it, and shared it for a reason. 

                            In other words, it doesn't doesn't match woodys thinking and he has no way to refute anything.

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                            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                            @jax said:

                            In other words, it doesn't doesn't match woodys thinking and he has no way to refute anything.

                            If you want to use gateway pundit as a legitimate source that speaks more about you and your media literacy abilities than anything else. 

                            Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                              I read the article in the OP earlier this morning, and l had more questions than anything. I’m far removed from Kansas City and l wasn’t aware state run grocery stores was a thing or how this came to be. I found this helpful.

                              https://showmeinstitute.org/blog/subsidies/sun-freshs-struggles-were-predictableand-predicted/

                              Apparently it was an attempt to fill a perceived need in an underserved community (aka poor community) in an attempt to spark some urban renewal, basically hoping others would invest in the area around it with a shiny new grocery store.

                              It stands to reason that if an actual grocery store that does this sort of thing for a living can’t make it work, they won’t be able to make it work either.

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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                              @ibleedbrown said:

                              I read the article in the OP earlier this morning, and l had more questions than anything. I’m far removed from Kansas City and l wasn’t aware state run grocery stores was a thing or how this came to be. I found this helpful.

                              https://showmeinstitute.org/blog/subsidies/sun-freshs-struggles-were-predictableand-predicted/

                              Apparently it was an attempt to fill a perceived need in an underserved community (aka poor community) in an attempt to spark some urban renewal, basically hoping others would invest in the area around it with a shiny new grocery store.

                              It stands to reason that if an actual grocery store that does this sort of thing for a living can’t make it work, they won’t be able to make it work either.

                              The argument then becomes it should be done more as a public good, to alleviate a food desert, than it should be to "make a profit". In my first post, that our MAGA reactionaries didn't read, I mentioned how capitalism isn't going to solve issues like this. It's our government's job to step up in those instances 

                              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                @nickers said:

                                Wow your dumber than I feared... What you pay for is your business Goober.. I don't give a shit.. Keep deflecting , Moron...

                                You led with "unlink you" in your last post. 

                                But we've been down this path before. You seem to immediately forget what you just posted. Or you have lost all reading comprehension ability. Regardless, you seem to get lost like this constantly. 

                                I sincerely mean this but I think you're one of the dumbest individuals I've even "met". 

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                You led with "unlink you" in your last post. 

                                But we've been down this path before. You seem to immediately forget what you just posted. Or you have lost all reading comprehension ability. Regardless, you seem to get lost like this constantly. 

                                I sincerely mean this but I think you're one of the dumbest individuals I've even "met". 

                                Keep showing us your stupidity... God you are lost in the sauce...

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                                  woodpecker has always bashed sources, every source, that doesn't fit his pecking and farting.

                                  and he never has sources for his asinine allegations. Woodpecker just pecks out of not being able to intelligently discuss any issue.

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                                    woodpecker has always bashed sources, every source, that doesn't fit his pecking and farting.

                                    and he never has sources for his asinine allegations. Woodpecker just pecks out of not being able to intelligently discuss any issue.

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                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    woodpecker has always bashed sources, every source, that doesn't fit his pecking and farting.

                                    and he never has sources for his asinine allegations. Woodpecker just pecks out of not being able to intelligently discuss any issue.

                                    All the while he insinuates people are "dumb".. Yet he has no self awareness of his own stupidity.. I'm still waiting for him to find one instance where Socialism has worked and he can't because Socialism fails everywhere it has been tried.... While Capitalism isn't perfect.. (No one system is).. It is still far and away the best platform to run a general society/Govt. on.... Socialism WILL NEVER WORK because people love to own what they work hard for... Taxing rich white billionaires isn't the answer either.. I'm all for giving them a break since they provide the Jobs, The Pay checks and the resources for us common humans to live our daily lives... And of course the health insurances paid for by them!.. His arrogance will be his own demise...

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                                      @ibleedbrown said:

                                      I read the article in the OP earlier this morning, and l had more questions than anything. I’m far removed from Kansas City and l wasn’t aware state run grocery stores was a thing or how this came to be. I found this helpful.

                                      https://showmeinstitute.org/blog/subsidies/sun-freshs-struggles-were-predictableand-predicted/

                                      Apparently it was an attempt to fill a perceived need in an underserved community (aka poor community) in an attempt to spark some urban renewal, basically hoping others would invest in the area around it with a shiny new grocery store.

                                      It stands to reason that if an actual grocery store that does this sort of thing for a living can’t make it work, they won’t be able to make it work either.

                                      The argument then becomes it should be done more as a public good, to alleviate a food desert, than it should be to "make a profit". In my first post, that our MAGA reactionaries didn't read, I mentioned how capitalism isn't going to solve issues like this. It's our government's job to step up in those instances 

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                                      IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      The argument then becomes it should be done more as a public good, to alleviate a food desert, than it should be to "make a profit". In my first post, that our MAGA reactionaries didn't read, I mentioned how capitalism isn't going to solve issues like this. It's our government's job to step up in those instances 

                                      Maybe? Access to good healthy food is a concern l have too, especially for underserved communities, but there are different ways to get to that goal. It’s partially why l liked RFK Jr. last year. He’s definitely a quirky guy but he seemed committed to cleaning up the food supply and making it accessible.

                                      The link l shared indicated there’s already a couple other grocery stores in the community. I don’t know the area so l don’t know how close they actually are, but supply and demand is always going to be an important factor. 

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                                        @calfoxwc said:

                                        woodpecker has always bashed sources, every source, that doesn't fit his pecking and farting.

                                        and he never has sources for his asinine allegations. Woodpecker just pecks out of not being able to intelligently discuss any issue.

                                        All the while he insinuates people are "dumb".. Yet he has no self awareness of his own stupidity.. I'm still waiting for him to find one instance where Socialism has worked and he can't because Socialism fails everywhere it has been tried.... While Capitalism isn't perfect.. (No one system is).. It is still far and away the best platform to run a general society/Govt. on.... Socialism WILL NEVER WORK because people love to own what they work hard for... Taxing rich white billionaires isn't the answer either.. I'm all for giving them a break since they provide the Jobs, The Pay checks and the resources for us common humans to live our daily lives... And of course the health insurances paid for by them!.. His arrogance will be his own demise...

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                                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                        @nickers said:

                                         Taxing rich white billionaires isn't the answer either.. I'm all for giving them a break since they provide the Jobs, The Pay checks and the resources for us common humans to live our daily lives... And of course the health insurances paid for by them!.. 

                                        I didn't realize how cucked you were, damn. 

                                        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          The argument then becomes it should be done more as a public good, to alleviate a food desert, than it should be to "make a profit". In my first post, that our MAGA reactionaries didn't read, I mentioned how capitalism isn't going to solve issues like this. It's our government's job to step up in those instances 

                                          Maybe? Access to good healthy food is a concern l have too, especially for underserved communities, but there are different ways to get to that goal. It’s partially why l liked RFK Jr. last year. He’s definitely a quirky guy but he seemed committed to cleaning up the food supply and making it accessible.

                                          The link l shared indicated there’s already a couple other grocery stores in the community. I don’t know the area so l don’t know how close they actually are, but supply and demand is always going to be an important factor. 

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                                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                          @ibleedbrown said:

                                          Maybe? Access to good healthy food is a concern l have too, especially for underserved communities, but there are different ways to get to that goal. It’s partially why l liked RFK Jr. last year. He’s definitely a quirky guy but he seemed committed to cleaning up the food supply and making it accessible.

                                          The link l shared indicated there’s already a couple other grocery stores in the community. I don’t know the area so l don’t know how close they actually are, but supply and demand is always going to be an important factor. 

                                          Cleaning up the food supply and making it accessible are two very different things. 

                                          Yes, with pure capitalism and "the market decides" we're just gonna follow supply and demand. That doesn't always serve all of the people adequately. There isn't adequate demand for many hospitals/the services offered in rural areas, but our government subsidizes them. Same thing with getting mail to rural areas. Not cost effective but it's a function of the government. 

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