To Shedeur, or not to Shedeur? (draft)
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Drafting a Franchise QB is the hardest thing in sports and the Browns 2.0, under three owners, 9/10 GMs and 12 Head Coaches have been the worst at in the last quarter century.
This scenario popped up, hopefully they aren't this stupid. We're so close to the end of the Watson disaster.
Drafting a Franchise QB is the hardest thing in sports and the Browns 2.0, under three owners, 9/10 GMs and 12 Head Coaches have been the worst at in the last quarter century.
This scenario popped up, hopefully they aren't this stupid. We're so close to the end of the Watson disaster.
Jeudy
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Well Shadeur Sanders had himself a trial period.
1. He's better than Dillon Gabriel
2. I don't think he'll ever be a top ten QB
If I was the incoming coach I certainly wouldn't feel as though he was the guy I was going with come hell or high water.
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Well Shadeur Sanders had himself a trial period.
1. He's better than Dillon Gabriel
2. I don't think he'll ever be a top ten QB
If I was the incoming coach I certainly wouldn't feel as though he was the guy I was going with come hell or high water.
Well Shadeur Sanders had himself a trial period.
1. He's better than Dillon Gabriel
2. I don't think he'll ever be a top ten QB
If I was the incoming coach I certainly wouldn't feel as though he was the guy I was going with come hell or high water.
I'm guessing a lot of people agree with you. I think there's only 2 upper 1st round QB prospects coming out (if Moore decides to) - otherwise we're looking at 1 QB the Raiders SHOULD draft with the NYJ holding 5 first round draft picks combined for 2026 & 2027 to tempt them into a possible trade for the only major QB prospect that the Raiders, Jets, Browns and others didn't scare back to making millions of $ in college football. I do know this - the 1st year Aaron Rodgers was a NYJ he only took 3 snaps before he was placed on Injured Reserve.
I'd be lying if I told you just 7 starts behind the 2025 OL while counting on a WR Corps with Jerry Jeudy as WR #1 gave me enough to tell what he can be or never be. BUT, I'm just a fan like you and others with an opinion. FWIW, the last few starts by Flacco here looked awful until he went to Cincy and threw to their WRs with at least some reasonable opportunities from the pass protection.
All that to say this doesn't appear to be the draft for a franchise QB (after Mendoza is picked); so the Browns can address major weaknesses at OTackle and WR to help whoever earns the QB job next year. The OLine situation and WR Corps isn't any more football sexy to a new HC prospect than the current QB situation...
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This is worth sharing here:
Shawn@ShawnIyer12.0 QBR (per @espn) for Shedeur Sanders in the win today.
That brings his final QBR average for his rookie season to 18.8
That is the worst single-season QBR average in #Browns history (min. 6 starts)
Shawn@ShawnIyer37.2 QBR (per @espn) for Shedeur Sanders in the win today.
That’s his second highest QBR of the season.
That puts him at a 20.6 QBR through 6.5 games with one game remaining…Mind you, Sanders didn't face a total defense ranked above 12th (Bills) and included the Bengals (30th), Titans (28th), Raiders (25th) and Bears (23rd). This is a worse QBR through the first series of games than notable Browns QBs such as:
-Deshone Kizer
-Cody Kessler (trust me on this one)
-Dorian Thompson-Robinson
and many more.
The "but what about talent" argument falls pretty flat to me considering Kizer, for example, was on a team that won 1 game in two seasons. I am not, in any sense of the word, a Sanders hater. I would want nothing more than to look at the body of work and think there's a franchise level QB in there somewhere if everything else was better. I am not an expert at this stuff, but every metric tells you that's just not true. I think the ceiling, at maximum, is a back-up caliber player. There's no head coach signing up for that.
Don't like QBR? See below:
This is worth sharing here:
Mind you, Sanders didn't face a total defense ranked above 12th (Bills) and included the Bengals (30th), Titans (28th), Raiders (25th) and Bears (23rd). This is a worse QBR through the first series of games than notable Browns QBs such as:
-Deshone Kizer
-Cody Kessler (trust me on this one)
-Dorian Thompson-Robinson
and many more.
The "but what about talent" argument falls pretty flat to me considering Kizer, for example, was on a team that won 1 game in two seasons. I am not, in any sense of the word, a Sanders hater. I would want nothing more than to look at the body of work and think there's a franchise level QB in there somewhere if everything else was better. I am not an expert at this stuff, but every metric tells you that's just not true. I think the ceiling, at maximum, is a back-up caliber player. There's no head coach signing up for that.
Don't like QBR? See below:
ya dude we get it, you do not like sanders, so are you going to re post this on every thread just to make sure you get your point across ? fucking dimwit
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It isn't disliking Sanders - it's how he has shown limitations/weaknesses that are concerning and longstanding, including in college. It's just who he is. And I see him as being a backup qb, not anywhere near a franchise qb. Some things can be developed, some things - are just always going to be a problem.
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It isn't disliking Sanders - it's how he has shown limitations/weaknesses that are concerning and longstanding, including in college. It's just who he is. And I see him as being a backup qb, not anywhere near a franchise qb. Some things can be developed, some things - are just always going to be a problem.
It isn't disliking Sanders - it's how he has shown limitations/weaknesses that are concerning and longstanding, including in college. It's just who he is. And I see him as being a backup qb, not anywhere near a franchise qb. Some things can be developed, some things - are just always going to be a problem.
True enough, but take the case of Josh Allen. Huge difference between his rookie/second years and later on once a real excellent QB developing coach worked with him. And like Allen, Sanders already has that long distance arm required of an NFL QB. Allen was 49.9 and 49.4 QBR his first two years. He also had 10 TDs and 12 Ints his rookie year but better the second, but far more sacks. Sanders needs the same kind of opportunity with a really good QB developing coach. God knows he never had one at Colorado. And he has slowly come along in the few games this year despite almost no support from our fired HC. Allen had almost two full seasons to develop with 12 games as a rookie and 16 the next. I was watching a mock draft of the first 6 for 2026 and Mel Kiper is a firm believer that Cleveland already has a QB, but what he doesn't have is a decent team to support him starting with WR and then OL. Now I disagreed with him that Tate should be their 1st choice. He doesn't have WR #1 speed or separation IMO.
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It isn't disliking Sanders - it's how he has shown limitations/weaknesses that are concerning and longstanding, including in college. It's just who he is. And I see him as being a backup qb, not anywhere near a franchise qb. Some things can be developed, some things - are just always going to be a problem.
True enough, but take the case of Josh Allen. Huge difference between his rookie/second years and later on once a real excellent QB developing coach worked with him. And like Allen, Sanders already has that long distance arm required of an NFL QB. Allen was 49.9 and 49.4 QBR his first two years. He also had 10 TDs and 12 Ints his rookie year but better the second, but far more sacks. Sanders needs the same kind of opportunity with a really good QB developing coach. God knows he never had one at Colorado. And he has slowly come along in the few games this year despite almost no support from our fired HC. Allen had almost two full seasons to develop with 12 games as a rookie and 16 the next. I was watching a mock draft of the first 6 for 2026 and Mel Kiper is a firm believer that Cleveland already has a QB, but what he doesn't have is a decent team to support him starting with WR and then OL. Now I disagreed with him that Tate should be their 1st choice. He doesn't have WR #1 speed or separation IMO.
True enough, but take the case of Josh Allen. Huge difference between his rookie/second years and later on once a real excellent QB developing coach worked with him.
Josh was a top 10 pick, not a 5th rounder.
God knows he never had one at Colorado.
Pat Shurmur may not be a good NFL HC, but he's recognized as a solid QB coach.
And he has slowly come along in the few games this year despite almost no support from our fired HC.
Couldn't eye roll you harder here if I tried.
I was watching a mock draft of the first 6 for 2026 and Mel Kiper is a firm believer that Cleveland already has a QB,
Kiper thought Jimmy Clausen was a franchise QB. Just tossing that one out there.
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True enough, but take the case of Josh Allen. Huge difference between his rookie/second years and later on once a real excellent QB developing coach worked with him.
Josh was a top 10 pick, not a 5th rounder.
God knows he never had one at Colorado.
Pat Shurmur may not be a good NFL HC, but he's recognized as a solid QB coach.
And he has slowly come along in the few games this year despite almost no support from our fired HC.
Couldn't eye roll you harder here if I tried.
I was watching a mock draft of the first 6 for 2026 and Mel Kiper is a firm believer that Cleveland already has a QB,
Kiper thought Jimmy Clausen was a franchise QB. Just tossing that one out there.
Josh was a top 10 pick, not a 5th rounder.
Kiper thought Jimmy Clausen was a franchise QB. Just tossing that one out there.
Most had Sanders as a top 10 pick as well, but teams did not like the trash his daddy was spewing out there pre-draft.
What did he say about Allen? That's more to the point.
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Oh, he just picked him #1 overall. ?
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It isn't disliking Sanders - it's how he has shown limitations/weaknesses that are concerning and longstanding, including in college. It's just who he is. And I see him as being a backup qb, not anywhere near a franchise qb. Some things can be developed, some things - are just always going to be a problem.
It isn't disliking Sanders - it's how he has shown limitations/weaknesses that are concerning and longstanding, including in college. It's just who he is. And I see him as being a backup qb, not anywhere near a franchise qb. Some things can be developed, some things - are just always going to be a problem.
I don't know how this will turn out with Shedeur; but once again - it's a pretty weak draft class ahead. FWIW, here's his college stats when he actually had talent to throw to.
YEAR COLLEGE GAMES W-L YARDS YPA CMP% PASS TDs INTs RUSH TDs
2021 JAX STATE 13 11-2 3231 7.8 65.9 30 8 3
2022 JAX STATE 13 12-1 3758 7.7 70.5 40 6 6
2023 COLORADO 11 4-7 3230 7.5 69.3 27 3 4
2024 COLORADO 13 9-4 4134 8.7 74.0 37 10 4
And here's his inability to put out the Dumpster Fire in Cleveland carrying over from the 3-14 record the year before he arrived. As for this past season - the Browns were 2-8 before he took over as starter with a 3-4 record per Google below. HOWEVER, I am aware our defense did all our scoring in the last game with a little help from Shedeur on the final drive and his stats were never great this past season. That said, the eye ball test had a lot of people happy when the change from Step Stool QB to Sanders was made. I'd just like to see a much better pass protection in front of him this year with an upgrade to WR before I join the doom and gloom getting more popular by the second.
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Josh was a top 10 pick, not a 5th rounder.
Kiper thought Jimmy Clausen was a franchise QB. Just tossing that one out there.
Most had Sanders as a top 10 pick as well, but teams did not like the trash his daddy was spewing out there pre-draft.
What did he say about Allen? That's more to the point.
Most had Sanders as a top 10 pick as well, but teams did not like the trash his daddy was spewing out there pre-draft.
What did he say about Allen? That's more to the point.
The NFL has tolerated spousal abuse, accomplice to murder, and just about everything in-between. If Shedeur was the product that "most" had him as, then he wouldn't have fallen as far. Some GM somewhere would have said "Yep, it's worth the headache for the talent". Yet, that didn't happen until day 3. So when you say "most", you mean the entertainment media, not those running franchises (they aren't infallible either though)
Keep in mind, I was an advocate for the Browns drafting Shedeur. Up until 3 weeks before the draft when I finally got the all-22 and then my draft grade on him changed.
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It is a different circus. The circus is the Family persona. The intimating father figure (this doesn’t seem to be nearly as bad now) but his dad had a Christmas list of teams. This all pointed to could he play nice as a backup because he would inevitably be a backup his rookie season and perhaps beyond.
Add to it, Deion the HC was considered an HC with options beyond his gig at Colorado that was until this year. Those options included bigger programs and maybe just maybe the NFL. Not a major concern but one you consider as a GM and HC of a team that is drafting his son.
I didn’t think he was a first round QB but I don’t think he’s a fifth round QB either. -
General manager Andrew Berry explained after the draft that it wasn't necessarily the plan to add two quarterbacks, but positional value and how the board played out made it worth adding Sanders after taking Gabriel:
"We live by our board. We felt like he was a good, solid prospect at the most important position. We felt like it got to a point where he was probably mispriced relative to the draft. Really, the acquisition cost was pretty light, and it's a guy that we think can outproduce his draft slot. Our expectation is for him to come in here and work and compete. Nothing's been promised. Nothing will be given."
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things could be worse, I guess - we could have T.J. Stroud as our franchise qb......
4 ints by halftime vs the dirtbag patriots......and some of the stupidest throws that may ever be seen.
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things could be worse, I guess - we could have T.J. Stroud as our franchise qb......
4 ints by halftime vs the dirtbag patriots......and some of the stupidest throws that may ever be seen.
the dirtbag patriots
Now why would you say a thing like that? I like Vrabel. I like Bob Kraft. I sat in his luxury box once. He walked in and immediately started talking to 2 people....until he saw me 15 feet away wearing my brown v-neck sweater with the orange helmet on the left chest. He left those two guys like he was shot from a cannon.
He was very nice to me. Scot Galbraith caught a 1 yard TD from Mike Tomzack at the end of the game for the win.
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the dirtbag patriots
Now why would you say a thing like that? I like Vrabel. I like Bob Kraft. I sat in his luxury box once. He walked in and immediately started talking to 2 people....until he saw me 15 feet away wearing my brown v-neck sweater with the orange helmet on the left chest. He left those two guys like he was shot from a cannon.
He was very nice to me. Scot Galbraith caught a 1 yard TD from Mike Tomzack at the end of the game for the win.
Now why would you say a thing like that? I like Vrabel. I like Bob Kraft. I sat in his luxury box once. He walked in and immediately started talking to 2 people....until he saw me 15 feet away wearing my brown v-neck sweater with the orange helmet on the left chest. He left those two guys like he was shot from a cannon.
He was very nice to me. Scot Galbraith caught a 1 yard TD from Mike Tomzack at the end of the game for the win.
Oh, I have never liked the Patriots, it isn't a bash on Vrabel. Just the air out of the football thing....Jones....and buttichek. who was mac jones' head coach. Just old stuff, not recent.
News this week of the NFL investigating the Patriots for competitive misconduct, this time for its videotaping at a Bengals-Browns game, has brought to mind a history of accusations against the ... -
If Mac Jones did indeed hit Sauce Gardner in his “private parts” then this reaction makes sense. (I copied and pasted that)
I guess you wouldn't have liked football back when Jack Lambert, Dick Butkis, etc. played.
One of my golf partners doesn't like Myles Garrett because of his hitting the Steeler QB over the head with his own helmet.
Doesn't matter how many times I tell him, But that's not how Myles really is.
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If Mac Jones did indeed hit Sauce Gardner in his “private parts” then this reaction makes sense. (I copied and pasted that)
I guess you wouldn't have liked football back when Jack Lambert, Dick Butkis, etc. played.
One of my golf partners doesn't like Myles Garrett because of his hitting the Steeler QB over the head with his own helmet.
Doesn't matter how many times I tell him, But that's not how Myles really is.
If Mac Jones did indeed hit Sauce Gardner in his “private parts” then this reaction makes sense. (I copied and pasted that)
I guess you wouldn't have liked football back when Jack Lambert, Dick Butkis, etc. played.
One of my golf partners doesn't like Myles Garrett because of his hitting the Steeler QB over the head with his own helmet.
Doesn't matter how many times I tell him, But that's not how Myles really is.
Actually, I never saw Jack Lambert as a dirty player. He was just viciously intense. Watched him in college. Actually a few friends and I found some extra student tickets for him and his roommate for their families and friends in town - the request came from Gary Pinkel, a TE - we met him personally when he came to pick up the tickets.
Pinkel never made it to the pros. He had a terrific coaching career, though. Don James was the HC and had a magic about him.
Did I despise Jack Lambert with the steelers ? nope. Just hated the team. LOL
I actually was walking through the door, to walk a gal home to her apt one night, and the door of the old Robin Hood Inn opened before I got it, there was Jack Lambert. Tall guy, skinnier than you would expect. He stepped out of the way politely and said "Hi" and never saw him again in person...
and Butkus - the rules were different back then. He was like Jack Lambert - very seriously and viciously intense playing the game. More violent. But not a dirty player.
Orange County Register
Hall of Fame linebacker Dick Butkus of the Chicago Bears was not considered a dirty player in his day, just among the meanest and nastiest. Butkus and similar players such as Green Bay's Ray ...
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