Why is it so hard to believe that Quinn could be a bust?
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Quinn's still brand new. He has more upside than DA. DA is who yinz thought he was. Who knows what BQ will turn out to be.
I know one thing for sure, if this kid gets too screwed up - forget it. He'll go the Tim Couch route.
The entire stains roster has problems. If Mangina has any coaching sense, he'll recognize undeveloped potential in BQ. I'm just not sure Mangina has that sense.
Yinz are 0-4. Quarter way through the season. Think it's turn-aroundable? Probably not and playing DA at this point is a panic move. Just like when Mangina brought Brett into NJ - panic move, an attempt to save his own ass.
Masters said:
One flaw there. The owner and GM brought Favre to the NYJ, not Mangini. Mangini just hung w/ him too long when he knew Brett was hurt.Oh there is more than one flaw there. You forgot to go after the idea that Quinn has undeveloped potential. Quinn has peaked. I've seen the same flaws in his game from his rookie year as I do now. The kid just can't play at this level. Lerner wanted his boy in there and he got em. He sold a million tickets and let Mangini pull the plug. Playing DA was not a panic move it was the original plan. ANY unbias fan who watched preseason and training camp could see beyond a shadow of a doubt that DA was outperforming Quinn. There simply is no way Mangini could have missed it. It was clear and he is a lot smarter than us. BQ is the future for nobody's team. He, like Frye, is a career backup. In my opinion.
. Quinn has peaked. I've seen the same flaws in his game from his rookie year as I do now.
Please tell me you didn't just say that, yet will pump up DA?
Dude, DA has the same flaws since his sophmore year in college. The same flaws since he started his first game in 2006.
I won't even touch the Lerner conspiracy garbage. Because if there is any truth to that, this team is just as screwed and Managini is an automatic failure, because any coach that goes along w/ that crap has no business being and NFL coach. You don't succeed by sabotaging yourself.
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Whether he's a bust or not his days are numbered as a browns guy.
What he is,he is the most mismanaged player i can remember. He's a question mark in many people eye's. Who really knows and at this juncture(0-4), and who cares?
Would i like to see a feel good story develop with Quinn? Sure, but the groundwork has been laid to build a team first and finish it off with another QB in a later draft.
I don't see us drafting a QB next year unless our current squad materializes into something worth building around.
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Whether he's a bust or not his days are numbered as a browns guy.
What he is,he is the most mismanaged player i can remember. He's a question mark in many people eye's. Who really knows and at this juncture(0-4), and who cares?
Would i like to see a feel good story develop with Quinn? Sure, but the groundwork has been laid to build a team first and finish it off with another QB in a later draft.
I don't see us drafting a QB next year unless our current squad materializes into something worth building around.
I don't see us drafting a QB next year unless our current squad materializes into something worth building around.
And if that means CLE is going into next year w/ DA at the helm, I see CLE getting a new HC in 2011.
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Masters said:
He'd actually have to get open first.You know assume that how?
I know better. I know that in week #1 the kid ran hard, ran hard with no looks and a late throw his way in garbage time. I pointed it out here.
Cribbs has been replaced by MoMass because of Massaquoi emergence and development. When you are getting your ass handed to you, down by several scores and you still can't find kids like Massaquoi or put the ball into the hands of one of your best play makers (Cribbs), you find yourself on the bench. Both ran good routes and ran them hard in week #1 ... they didn't just fall out of the sky in week #4.
The coaches saw that too.
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Masters said:
He'd actually have to get open first.You know assume that how?
I know better. I know that in week #1 the kid ran hard, ran hard with no looks and a late throw his way in garbage time. I pointed it out here.
Cribbs has been replaced by MoMass because of Massaquoi emergence and development. When you are getting your ass handed to you, down by several scores and you still can't find kids like Massaquoi or put the ball into the hands of one of your best play makers (Cribbs), you find yourself on the bench. Both ran good routes and ran them hard in week #1 ... they didn't just fall out of the sky in week #4.
The coaches saw that too.
The coaches saw that too.
You mean that Cribbs can't get seperation and open, yeah, the coaches obviously saw that. Notice Cribbs had little involvement this week as a WR. That must be a coincindence.... All MoMass had to do is lace up his shoes and step between the lines in order to progress as better than Cribbs at WR. You do realize Cribbs went from #2 WR on the depth chart to #4.
You don't need more than an educated guess (or to watch the games) to figure this one out.
And it's you that knows assumes that all that running around you pointed out was anything close to what he was supposed to be doing out there. Moving from 2 to 4 tells me all that running around was not even close to where he was supposed to be.
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Noway 5 1/2 games is enough to see what Quinn is capable of
But ,he has had 2 1/2 training camps with 2 different coaching staffs
and no one has seen the "IT" ,the glimpse of greatness to come
that they obvoiusly saw from Manning & Breeze.
Hell ,maybe new town,new team ,new offense, Quinn gets it all together
Don't Care,time to move on ,Pick wasted
Noway 5 1/2 games is enough to see what Quinn is capable of
But ,he has had 2 1/2 training camps with 2 different coaching staffs
and no one has seen the "IT" ,the glimpse of greatness to come
that they obvoiusly saw from Manning & Breeze.
Hell ,maybe new town,new team ,new offense, Quinn gets it all together
Don't Care,time to move on ,Pick wasted
Great point. We see the EXACT dilemna training air traffic controllers. I've trained dozens over the past 20 yrs. (Even trained Billy Bob Thornton for Pushing Tin) We refer to it as the "Light" going on. The problem with this "Light" is that there's no way to assess if someone's LIGHT comes on unless they have the opportunity to be tested under fire. Can they make the STEP to the next level. Whether it's the FAA in the USA or our own system in Canada, they've been trying to figure out how to get the LIGHT on for trainees for years. Can you duplicate all the skills you possess under stress.I'm not pro or anti anyone. The idea of making such a final decision given such a small body of work isn't wise.
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The coaches saw that too.
You mean that Cribbs can't get seperation and open, yeah, the coaches obviously saw that. Notice Cribbs had little involvement this week as a WR. That must be a coincindence.... All MoMass had to do is lace up his shoes and step between the lines in order to progress as better than Cribbs at WR. You do realize Cribbs went from #2 WR on the depth chart to #4.
You don't need more than an educated guess (or to watch the games) to figure this one out.
And it's you that knows assumes that all that running around you pointed out was anything close to what he was supposed to be doing out there. Moving from 2 to 4 tells me all that running around was not even close to where he was supposed to be.
Masters said:
You mean that Cribbs can't get seperation and open, yeah, the coaches obviously saw that. Notice Cribbs had little involvement this week as a WR. That must be a coincindence.... All MoMass had to do is lace up his shoes and step between the lines in order to progress as better than Cribbs at WR. You do realize Cribbs went from #2 WR on the depth chart to #4.You don't need more than an educated guess (or to watch the games) to figure this one out.
And it's you that knows assumes that all that running around you pointed out was anything close to what he was supposed to be doing out there. Moving from 2 to 4 tells me all that running around was not even close to where he was supposed to be.
Actually I don't know why I'm wasting my time as you Quinn guys already have your minds made up to view everything about this team negative since your boy doesn't fit into the plans, however I think as much went into removing Cribbs at WR because he was getting spent running phantom routes and wearing himself down as a very teeny part of the offense, as much so as he did because he wasn't running the right patterns.
They still want him involved in the offense, just don't want to waste him as a WR.
As far as my sight of the games and knowing if he was running the right patterns or not ... I posted after game one that he was finding seams and running in the clear. Did you post somewhere back then that he was blanketed, and that when Quinn looked his way he wasn't where he was supposed to be? naaa ... your curbing your view and stance to fit your argument.
In fact, if you think back to times Quinn threw his way, Quinn was setting Cribbs up to get racked by the safety, not that the CB who was covering him had him covered.
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Masters said:
You mean that Cribbs can't get seperation and open, yeah, the coaches obviously saw that. Notice Cribbs had little involvement this week as a WR. That must be a coincindence.... All MoMass had to do is lace up his shoes and step between the lines in order to progress as better than Cribbs at WR. You do realize Cribbs went from #2 WR on the depth chart to #4.You don't need more than an educated guess (or to watch the games) to figure this one out.
And it's you that knows assumes that all that running around you pointed out was anything close to what he was supposed to be doing out there. Moving from 2 to 4 tells me all that running around was not even close to where he was supposed to be.
Actually I don't know why I'm wasting my time as you Quinn guys already have your minds made up to view everything about this team negative since your boy doesn't fit into the plans, however I think as much went into removing Cribbs at WR because he was getting spent running phantom routes and wearing himself down as a very teeny part of the offense, as much so as he did because he wasn't running the right patterns.
They still want him involved in the offense, just don't want to waste him as a WR.
As far as my sight of the games and knowing if he was running the right patterns or not ... I posted after game one that he was finding seams and running in the clear. Did you post somewhere back then that he was blanketed, and that when Quinn looked his way he wasn't where he was supposed to be? naaa ... your curbing your view and stance to fit your argument.
In fact, if you think back to times Quinn threw his way, Quinn was setting Cribbs up to get racked by the safety, not that the CB who was covering him had him covered.
Actually I don't know why I'm wasting my time as you Quinn guys already have your minds made up to view everything about this team negative since your boy doesn't fit into the plans, however I think as much went into removing Cribbs at WR because he was getting spent running phantom routes and wearing himself down as a very teeny part of the offense, as much so as he did because he wasn't running the right patterns.
They still want him involved in the offense, just don't want to waste him as a WR.
As far as my sight of the games and knowing if he was running the right patterns or not ... I posted after game one that he was finding seams and running in the clear. Did you post somewhere back then that he was blanketed, and that when Quinn looked his way he wasn't where he was supposed to be? naaa ... your curbing your view and stance to fit your argument.
In fact, if you think back to times Quinn threw his way, Quinn was setting Cribbs up to get racked by the safety, not that the CB who was covering him had him covered.
You Quinn guys...
I am talking about Josh Cribbs (and my whole original comment was in jest, hense the big ass smiley face next to it). You don't want your #2 WR to be a teeny part of your offense. Cribbs inablity to play WR was the reason for that, not ST.
He was covered on most plays. And he wasn't where I'd think he should be in the seem of a zone. I am not curbing anything. But you are trying to throw it into being about Quinn to fit your argument, which is that you only have your straw man, as usual.
But if you want to make it about DA/BQ, then what you are telling me is DA getting guys leveled is okay, Quinn doing it is not.
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Whether or not Mangini gave Quinn an ample shot is certainly up for debate (he probably didn't), but that is of small consequence any more. This relationship is done as far as I can tell; there's no coming back from this, is there?
And as for the decision, it comes down to two things, each of which are tough to believe but one HAS to be true:
Either 1) Magini is a total idiot and botched this whole thing or 2) Quinn simply does not have it.
Is there even room for any middle ground? Middle ground would have been letting Quinn play through.
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Whether or not Mangini gave Quinn an ample shot is certainly up for debate (he probably didn't), but that is of small consequence any more. This relationship is done as far as I can tell; there's no coming back from this, is there?
And as for the decision, it comes down to two things, each of which are tough to believe but one HAS to be true:
Either 1) Magini is a total idiot and botched this whole thing or 2) Quinn simply does not have it.
Is there even room for any middle ground? Middle ground would have been letting Quinn play through.
Whether or not Mangini gave Quinn an ample shot is certainly up for debate (he probably didn't), but that is of small consequence any more. This relationship is done as far as I can tell; there's no coming back from this, is there?
And as for the decision, it comes down to two things, each of which are tough to believe but one HAS to be true:
Either 1) Magini is a total idiot and botched this whole thing or 2) Quinn simply does not have it.
Is there even room for any middle ground? Middle ground would have been letting Quinn play through.
I will go with #1 Magini is a douche and blew his wad, he has a severe case of eds or a severe case Napoleon syndrome.
I dont see him getting the job done at this point unless he happens to stumble into it. but then he will still want to control it to every extreme and fook it up.
If all else fails Lerner can keep him around as a parking lot attendendant and he can continue writing tickets.
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the problem is. what we did to get BQ. imagine for the next draft, just giving up the first 2 picks for nothing. without giving him a shot, that is essentially what we are doing. the same as buying a car, and taking it to a junkyard without driving it.
its not like we have a winner in DA. we're gonna have a losing season, we might aswell have one with a person that has the possibility of improving, as opposed to DA, who will never improve.
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Why is it so hard to believe that Quinn could be a bust? Plenty of guys he was drafted near are all ready pretty much busty.
There were only seven players picked between BQ and Craig "Buster" Davis, who the Chargers have seemingly given up on. Robert Meachem (five picks after Quinn) isn't exactly seeing 1st-team snaps/balls in NO. Alan Branch (11 after BQ) isn't in the Cards' plans as far as I know. John Beck and Drew Stanton, taken 18 and 21 picks after BQ respectively, aren't in ANYONE'S future plans.
Late first round QB draft picks have a piss poor track record (save for Aaron Rodgers). BQ, Losman, Grossman...all busts, all recent late first-round picks. Also, he was picked like 10 picks before the second round. And the second round is where quarterbacks are drafted to die. The list of round 2 busts is so long Stan would need additional server space to house said list.
Draft picks bust, especially QBs in that region of the draft. Shit happens. I'm ready to move on.
You may ask why some guys (the shitty JaMarcus Russell) get a longer leash? because the difference between 1 and 22 might as well be a thousand.
<Why is it so hard to believe that Quinn could be a bust? Plenty of guys he was drafted near are all ready pretty much busty.>
Here's is why. It took Ol Goolie quite a few years to figure this one out, but I think I finally got it. A fan is by definition usually devoid of logic when it comes to his own team. This isn't an insult, it is the truth. For the same reason liberals can't face Obama being a failure, Browns fans can't face Quinn going down the tubes.
Many fans spend the entire off season dreaming of touchdowns, Steeler ass-kickings and a return to glory. It isn't a blind love for Quinn man, it is a blind love for the Browns. If Quinn busts it has nasty repricussions for teh fan; it means more ridicule and crap results.
Where I differ from a lot of you is that for a variety of reasons I am more than willing to air out with you, right or wrong, my emotional connection to the Browns died when Cleveland boo'd Bill Belichik and Vinny T on Monday night against the bills one beautiful, upper-deck october night.
I admit that I originally thought Lerner would be great. This was one of the few things I missed on. I turned against him in 2002 and his son is a turd off of the same butt squeeze. But I digress; without the emotional component I come at things form a different angle. Is it better? Shit, who cares? Our team blows.
I will say one thing to all of you, and if you believe otherwise then honestly you really don't know how the world works. Cleveland fans love the fantasy concept of an owner who sits back and puts the control of the team into the hands of the football men.
Do you honestly think that Billionaires get to be billionaires but just turning their companies over to any Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along? Do you really think the billionaires are nonchalant?
Emotional fans hate guys like Modell and Jerry Jones for mettling. I would rather have either of those guys than the turd we have. At least Modell loved football and more importantly, Browns football. At least his dumb ass moments came because his emotions clouded his better judgement.
Emotion? Ah yea, as I said, a fan is emotional and logic doesn't always apply.
In 1995 I was blasted for asking Baltimore to keep the Browns name while forcing Cleveland's team to adopt a new name?
Why? Because WITHOUT the emotional tie to the past Lerner would have faced fans who, after a couple years watching the Cleveland Limestone-heads go 3 - 13 would have boo'd Lerner out of town. Instead? After 10 years of the worst football imaginable, emotional fans are actually hopeful that this latest loss has some building points.
I ain't gonna insult anyone. I used to be one of those fans and I wish I knew how to go back to those times. I really do.
What has happened to the Browns is sad. What is inexcusable is that there really is no fix in sight.
Tom V. (Get it while it lasts)
There were only seven players picked between BQ and Craig "Buster" Davis, who the Chargers have seemingly given up on. Robert Meachem (five picks after Quinn) isn't exactly seeing 1st-team snaps/balls in NO. Alan Branch (11 after BQ) isn't in the Cards' plans as far as I know. John Beck and Drew Stanton, taken 18 and 21 picks after BQ respectively, aren't in ANYONE'S future plans.
Late first round QB draft picks have a piss poor track record (save for Aaron Rodgers). BQ, Losman, Grossman...all busts, all recent late first-round picks. Also, he was picked like 10 picks before the second round. And the second round is where quarterbacks are drafted to die. The list of round 2 busts is so long Stan would need additional server space to house said list.
Draft picks bust, especially QBs in that region of the draft. Shit happens. I'm ready to move on.
You may ask why some guys (the shitty JaMarcus Russell) get a longer leash? because the difference between 1 and 22 might as well be a thousand.
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No, he is not, Tim Couch and Ryan leaf both started 2 full seasons, Quinn never even got that chance
He got the chance...and showed so little it ended.
How many chances would I get....20 starts or say maybe 2 tryout camp snaps??
Everything we heard about Quinn was how he was polished, NFL ready, and he had the "it" factor.
BS
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Whether or not Mangini gave Quinn an ample shot is certainly up for debate (he probably didn't), but that is of small consequence any more. This relationship is done as far as I can tell; there's no coming back from this, is there?
And as for the decision, it comes down to two things, each of which are tough to believe but one HAS to be true:
Either 1) Magini is a total idiot and botched this whole thing or 2) Quinn simply does not have it.
Is there even room for any middle ground? Middle ground would have been letting Quinn play through.
Whether or not Mangini gave Quinn an ample shot is certainly up for debate (he probably didn't), but that is of small consequence any more. This relationship is done as far as I can tell; there's no coming back from this, is there?
And as for the decision, it comes down to two things, each of which are tough to believe but one HAS to be true:
Either 1) Magini is a total idiot and botched this whole thing or 2) Quinn simply does not have it.
Is there even room for any middle ground? Middle ground would have been letting Quinn play through.
Actually I think it was a combo. Meaning, Quinn wasn't showing it, and Mangini was feeling some heat. Getting fired from 2 HC positions doesn't do much for the nickname... so he threw in DA, just so he could say, "I played everybody I could."
I have to believe he felt like he had a QB on the roster, or we get Sanchized (good one, shep) in April. Nothing was working in the 1st couple of weeks, so he shows his hand. I really believe our D & ST lit the fire under the team this week. Just think of how pumped we were watching big D and big ST play; the offense fed off of that, imo, and we were treated to classic DA. Some great plays, and some not so great, and just not enough to get it done when we needed it (OT= 3 & outville). That's what we can expect this season. And then stressing out over a weak QB class this spring.
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Actually I don't know why I'm wasting my time as you Quinn guys already have your minds made up to view everything about this team negative since your boy doesn't fit into the plans, however I think as much went into removing Cribbs at WR because he was getting spent running phantom routes and wearing himself down as a very teeny part of the offense, as much so as he did because he wasn't running the right patterns.
They still want him involved in the offense, just don't want to waste him as a WR.
As far as my sight of the games and knowing if he was running the right patterns or not ... I posted after game one that he was finding seams and running in the clear. Did you post somewhere back then that he was blanketed, and that when Quinn looked his way he wasn't where he was supposed to be? naaa ... your curbing your view and stance to fit your argument.
In fact, if you think back to times Quinn threw his way, Quinn was setting Cribbs up to get racked by the safety, not that the CB who was covering him had him covered.
You Quinn guys...
I am talking about Josh Cribbs (and my whole original comment was in jest, hense the big ass smiley face next to it). You don't want your #2 WR to be a teeny part of your offense. Cribbs inablity to play WR was the reason for that, not ST.
He was covered on most plays. And he wasn't where I'd think he should be in the seem of a zone. I am not curbing anything. But you are trying to throw it into being about Quinn to fit your argument, which is that you only have your straw man, as usual.
But if you want to make it about DA/BQ, then what you are telling me is DA getting guys leveled is okay, Quinn doing it is not.
Masters said:
You Quinn guys... I am talking about Josh Cribbs (and my whole original comment was in jest, hense the big ass smiley face next to it).
You don't want your #2 WR to be a teeny part of your offense. Cribbs inablity to play WR was the reason for that, not ST.
He was covered on most plays. And he wasn't where I'd think he should be in the seem of a zone. I am not curbing anything. But you are trying to throw it into being about Quinn to fit your argument, which is that you only have your straw man, as usual.
But if you want to make it about DA/BQ, then what you are telling me is DA getting guys leveled is okay, Quinn doing it is not.
Seriously dude, you are a pansy-ass.
Getting WR's 'leveled' is part of the Pro game. Do you watch football? point out one game where a QB didn't throw to a receiver and he got leveled upon receiving it ... just one game, send me the clip. Along this line, I never said for or against this, what I said is that you keep saying that Cribbs was covered and couldn't gain seperation. I'm stating that I watched him run patterns endlessly in week #1 without Quinn even hardly glancing his way. This only tired him out and diminished his energy needed in the return game. Then I went on to point out that if you remember back on when Quinn did throw Cribbs' way, he was getting layed out by the Safety on a collision course while running through the seam. He wasn't having the ball batted out of his hands by the cover-corner, he just wasn't hit in time - causing the collision and incomplete pass.
Mangini meanwhile liked the development of MoMass, saw that he was wasting Cribbs in the offense which diminished his special teams play and he made a switch there. They still want to get Cribbs the ball, they just don't want to have him out running pattern after pattern for no use.
Yes, Quinn is on the bench because not only did his #2 have a teeny part in the offense, every other aspect of the offense had a teeny part in the offense. It was a teeny offense.
In addition, have you ever seen a #2 QB step in and connect with a back-up WR who he has been throwing to with the scout team and has established continuity with? It happens all the time, and a big reason why DA & MoMass connected well on Sunday. We will see how they fare this week with game film on them ... Braylon better be ready.
Farve last night layed his Receivers out all game, and they got leveled probably more than a dozen times. That's football away from dink-n-dunk throws, it's called threading the needle and making a play = throwing down field. Again, I have no problem with these throws as long as they aren't floaters ... my reason for bringing them up was for you to realize that Cribbs was in more head-on collisions as a receiver than he was getting his pocket picked from behind by not shedding his coverage.
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. Quinn has peaked. I've seen the same flaws in his game from his rookie year as I do now.
Please tell me you didn't just say that, yet will pump up DA?
Dude, DA has the same flaws since his sophmore year in college. The same flaws since he started his first game in 2006.
I won't even touch the Lerner conspiracy garbage. Because if there is any truth to that, this team is just as screwed and Managini is an automatic failure, because any coach that goes along w/ that crap has no business being and NFL coach. You don't succeed by sabotaging yourself.
Masters said:
Please tell me you didn't just say that, yet will pump up DA?Dude, DA has the same flaws since his sophmore year in college. The same flaws since he started his first game in 2006.
I won't even touch the Lerner conspiracy garbage. Because if there is any truth to that, this team is just as screwed and Managini is an automatic failure, because any coach that goes along w/ that crap has no business being and NFL coach. You don't succeed by sabotaging yourself.
You don't have to buy into the conspiracy theory it's just a theory. But Lerner needs to make his money before anything else and he did when that surprising announcement was made. What is Mangini supposed to do tell his boss he won't do it? Why do you think the leash was so short? I mean, they gave DA 8 games last year and we were terrible. If they really believed in Quinn (and I see nothing about him that I like) why would he get pulled that fast? Because the second coaching staff to have him is Retarded too?
And I will pump up DA because the kid has EVERYTHING an NFL QB needs to play in this league. His flaws can be coached out of him and schemed out of him. He already improved on one glaring flaw, the play-action. Also, he made good decisions last week. Once that's done, you have a QB the teammates respect and a guy who can make every play on the field. Brady's flaws are all in his natural ability which he just doesn't have. If right now he were in High School or a freshman in college he would be awesome. But at this point in your career you really need to have developed some poise and some vision to make up for that slow release and lack of zip on your throws and he hasn't. On top of just plain ability, he doesn't seem to be mentally strong enough to play at this level. I may be wrong but I don't have another 3 years of waiting for him to eventually become a solid backup. With the two guys we have to choose from DA is easily the best guy at this point for the team. No doubt. And so it's time to sit back and watch the future unfold because I believe this coach and this QB will be here for a while. And I'm pretty happy about it. I mean, I lost in fantasy this week by 4 points for the second week in a row (thanks Jennings) and I'm still in a good mood!
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Masters said:
Please tell me you didn't just say that, yet will pump up DA?Dude, DA has the same flaws since his sophmore year in college. The same flaws since he started his first game in 2006.
I won't even touch the Lerner conspiracy garbage. Because if there is any truth to that, this team is just as screwed and Managini is an automatic failure, because any coach that goes along w/ that crap has no business being and NFL coach. You don't succeed by sabotaging yourself.
You don't have to buy into the conspiracy theory it's just a theory. But Lerner needs to make his money before anything else and he did when that surprising announcement was made. What is Mangini supposed to do tell his boss he won't do it? Why do you think the leash was so short? I mean, they gave DA 8 games last year and we were terrible. If they really believed in Quinn (and I see nothing about him that I like) why would he get pulled that fast? Because the second coaching staff to have him is Retarded too?
And I will pump up DA because the kid has EVERYTHING an NFL QB needs to play in this league. His flaws can be coached out of him and schemed out of him. He already improved on one glaring flaw, the play-action. Also, he made good decisions last week. Once that's done, you have a QB the teammates respect and a guy who can make every play on the field. Brady's flaws are all in his natural ability which he just doesn't have. If right now he were in High School or a freshman in college he would be awesome. But at this point in your career you really need to have developed some poise and some vision to make up for that slow release and lack of zip on your throws and he hasn't. On top of just plain ability, he doesn't seem to be mentally strong enough to play at this level. I may be wrong but I don't have another 3 years of waiting for him to eventually become a solid backup. With the two guys we have to choose from DA is easily the best guy at this point for the team. No doubt. And so it's time to sit back and watch the future unfold because I believe this coach and this QB will be here for a while. And I'm pretty happy about it. I mean, I lost in fantasy this week by 4 points for the second week in a row (thanks Jennings) and I'm still in a good mood!
His flaws can be coached out of him and schemed out of him.
If you want to buy that, after his college coaching staff couldn't do it and neither could the previous coaching staff, fine. But I am not.
With his physical attributes (arm and height) which are what HC/GM/OC's have wet dreams about over a QB, you'd think someone around the NFL would have thought higher of him than a 6th round pick, if they really felt his flaws could simply be coached up.
Heck, when DA was a RFA after his great 2007, if other teams really felt he just needing coached up, someone would have made an attempt to get him. A first and a thrid round pick for a guy with those tools and the ability to be coached up would be a steal. There is a reason DA accepted a less than market value contract.
I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong about DA, but I am not holding my breath.
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At the end of the day Brady couldnt get it done. He held a clipboard for 2 years and should be more than ready. What first round QB gets 2 years to sit and watch the game and arent ready? If there is one then he is a bust.
He got his shot and he failed. If the kid had a future I think that he would be in there. But he doesnt and is the 2nd maybe 3rd best QB on our team. We are probably just looking for a team to trade him to before he hurts his trade value anymore.
And as far as giving up 2 first round picks... That is false. We GOT the 22 pick from Dallas that year for a 2nd round that year and our 1st the following year. Which happened to be #22. So the 2 first round picks are a wash. Basically we gave up a high 2nd round pick for Brady. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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His flaws can be coached out of him and schemed out of him.
If you want to buy that, after his college coaching staff couldn't do it and neither could the previous coaching staff, fine. But I am not.
With his physical attributes (arm and height) which are what HC/GM/OC's have wet dreams about over a QB, you'd think someone around the NFL would have thought higher of him than a 6th round pick, if they really felt his flaws could simply be coached up.
Heck, when DA was a RFA after his great 2007, if other teams really felt he just needing coached up, someone would have made an attempt to get him. A first and a thrid round pick for a guy with those tools and the ability to be coached up would be a steal. There is a reason DA accepted a less than market value contract.
I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong about DA, but I am not holding my breath.
Masters said:
If you want to buy that, after his college coaching staff couldn't do it and neither could the previous coaching staff, fine. But I am not.we hear these words often from BQ Nation, although I sincerely doubt you watched more than a half a game of Oregon State football when Anderson was there.
Anderson's first year starting was his true soph year under Dennis Erickson where he broke the school record for yards and TDs. (Erickson is a good coach however his offense is pretty simple)
Anderson's second year starting was under Mike Riley who runs a much more complex pro style offense. This is the year he threw a lot of picks and got the bad rep. However this season Anderson became only the 2nd QB in pac 10 history to go over 4,000 yards passing in a season and he ended up with only one fewer TD pass.
Anderson's senior year gave him a lesser supporting cast as Steven Jackson had left early for the NFL. The team started out losing on a missed extra point in Baton Rouge and then fell to 1-4 but ended by winning 6 of their last 7 (1 loss by 1 TD to USC). This was far and away Anderson's best stretch and it ended with a 4 TD pass 50 point explosion over a favored Oregon Duck team QB'd by Kellen Clemens and then another 4 TD performance over a pompous Notre Dame team led by Brady Quinn.
As somebody who actually watched Anderson in college he was night and day improved by his sr year. He may have had a better college career if Erickson had stayed but although he had growing pains in the beginning with Mike Riley he is a better QB today because of Riley.
Also keep in mind that Anderson had 25, 24, and 29 TDs in college and the next season the QB was Matt Moore who had 11. The year after that Moore had 18 TDs. Moore is now the backup for the Carolina Panthers.
If you want to go back to high school Anderson had 87 TDs and 17 picks in 3 yrs of starting. Made the playoffs his soph yr, made the semis his jr year, and won the state championship his sr year. Sounds like progression there as well.
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His flaws can be coached out of him and schemed out of him.
If you want to buy that, after his college coaching staff couldn't do it and neither could the previous coaching staff, fine. But I am not.
With his physical attributes (arm and height) which are what HC/GM/OC's have wet dreams about over a QB, you'd think someone around the NFL would have thought higher of him than a 6th round pick, if they really felt his flaws could simply be coached up.
Heck, when DA was a RFA after his great 2007, if other teams really felt he just needing coached up, someone would have made an attempt to get him. A first and a thrid round pick for a guy with those tools and the ability to be coached up would be a steal. There is a reason DA accepted a less than market value contract.
I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong about DA, but I am not holding my breath.
Masters said:
If you want to buy that, after his college coaching staff couldn't do it and neither could the previous coaching staff, fine. But I am not.With his physical attributes (arm and height) which are what HC/GM/OC's have wet dreams about over a QB, you'd think someone around the NFL would have thought higher of him than a 6th round pick, if they really felt his flaws could simply be coached up.
Heck, when DA was a RFA after his great 2007, if other teams really felt he just needing coached up, someone would have made an attempt to get him. A first and a thrid round pick for a guy with those tools and the ability to be coached up would be a steal. There is a reason DA accepted a less than market value contract.
I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong about DA, but I am not holding my breath.
And after all that he is still better than Brady Quinn. Pretty boy needs to hold the clipboard and read defenses and put that education to use. Let Derek make the throws that he can not.
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