The MAC is Back!

[ClevelandFanForLife]

JosephSixpack said:

The MAC is no joke.

Name 3 players from the almighty SEC who've been bigger impact pros this decade than Roethlisberger, James Harrison and Randy Moss.

oh, and in this decade you could say percy harvin, jabar gafney and knowshawn moreno

[Thaak]

Shaun Alexander

Antwan Odom

Chris Samuels

Jamaal Anderson

Tony Ugoh

Karlos Dansby

Ronnie Brown

Carnell Williams

Rob Bironas

Brandon Jacobs

Fred Taylor

Jevon Kearse

Champ Bailey

Marcus Stroud

Hines Ward

Joseph Addai

Dwayne Bowe

Alan Faneca

Kevin Mawae

Deuce McAllister

Eli Manning

Patrick Willis

Donald Lee

Eric Moulds

Fred Smoot

Johnathan Joseph

Sidney Rice

Jamal Lewis

Jason Witten

Peyton Manning

John Henderson

Albert Haynesworth

and that's just of the 264 starters off the 2007 NFL active day rosters.

Pick any 3 you like... I happen to like Peyton over Big Gay Ben, Haynesworth over Harrison, and while you may have a point on Moss... Bowe, Harvin, and Rice have a chance to be better.

[BuckeyeBest2]

JosephSixpack said:

The MAC is no joke.

Name 3 players from the almighty SEC who've been bigger impact pros this decade than Roethlisberger, James Harrison and Randy Moss.

Peyton Manning, Fred Taylor (about 12,000 Rushing yard to moss 14,000 Recieving yards at a position yards are easier to get seeing how they have 1 or 2 maybe at most 3 defenders while a RB has between 3-9 defenders at a time), Javon Kearse

hm that was pretty easy

any more questions?

[c-dawg]

@buckeyebest2 said:

Peyton Manning, Fred Taylor (about 12,000 Rushing yard to moss 14,000 Recieving yards at a position yards are easier to get seeing how they have 1 or 2 maybe at most 3 defenders while a RB has between 3-9 defenders at a time), Javon Kearse

hm that was pretty easy

any more questions?

Impact for me ultimately means championships. The list BuckeyeBest2 gave has far less rings than JoeSixPat's list. Joe's list has had more impact.

[Thaak]

For a team perhaps. Maybe for a QB. Although nobody will say that Marino and Moon weren’t two of the best pure passing QB’s to ever play the game and between them they have zero championships.

On my list, Hines Ward has just as many rings as his two Steeler teammates in the original list. I wouldn’t even put him close to Moss’s impact though.

If I’m not mistaken, Moss was not on any of the Patriot championship teams? So does that mean by your criteria that Ward has had more impact than Moss? Ridiculous.

[c-dawg]

@thaak said:

For a team perhaps. Maybe for a QB. Although nobody will say that Marino and Moon weren’t two of the best pure passing QB’s to ever play the game and between them they have zero championships.

On my list, Hines Ward has just as many rings as his two Steeler teammates in the original list. I wouldn’t even put him close to Moss’s impact though.

If I’m not mistaken, Moss was not on any of the Patriot championship teams? So does that mean by your criteria that Ward has had more impact than Moss? Ridiculous.

Thaak. I defined impact for my reply. What's your definition? Stick your neck out too. Naysaying is too easy and I thought you were above that from your other posts. I have been wrong before though.

You haven't listed three players from the last ten years (or even from the same conference) either. Play JoeSixPat's game right.

And, yes, by my criteria Ward outranks Moss, doesn't he? Count the rings, that's why people play the game, not individual stats. The Steelers definitely agree Ward had more impact. Oh, yeah, you picked a SB MVP for your example, talk about impact.

In fairness to Moss he did put the Pats up with 2:50 to go in LXII before Eli got lucky.

So, to compare apples and apples, I think you should go find three guys from the same college conference who excelled at their positions with more rings for the last decade. No fair listing long snappers.

Otherwise define what you mean by impact so that I might have access to where you are coming from.

Also, ridiculous? Up your ass with ridiculous. Or maybe you could just shove that fish in your avatar up there.

[BuckeyeBest2]

c-dawg said:

Impact for me ultimately means championships. The list BuckeyeBest2 gave has far less rings than JoeSixPat's list. Joe's list has had more impact.

exept that logic has a huge flaw

by your logic Dan Marino never made an impact in the NFL

[BuckeyeBest2]

c-dawg said:

Thaak. I defined impact for my reply. What's your definition? Stick your neck out too. Naysaying is too easy and I thought you were above that from your other posts. I have been wrong before though.

You haven't listed three players from the last ten years (or even from the same conference) either. Play JoeSixPat's game right.

And, yes, by my criteria Ward outranks Moss, doesn't he? Count the rings, that's why people play the game, not individual stats. The Steelers definitely agree Ward had more impact. Oh, yeah, you picked a SB MVP for your example, talk about impact.

In fairness to Moss he did put the Pats up with 2:50 to go in LXII before Eli got lucky.

So, to compare apples and apples, I think you should go find three guys from the same college conference who excelled at their positions with more rings for the last decade. No fair listing long snappers.

Otherwise define what you mean by impact so that I might have access to where you are coming from.

Also, ridiculous? Up your ass with ridiculous. Or maybe you could just shove that fish in your avatar up there.

Rings=TEAM accomplishment with FO, Coaching and great players all around

Impact=Individual on their own

argument over case closed

[BuckeyeBest2]

c-dawg said:

Thaak. I defined impact for my reply. What's your definition? Stick your neck out too. Naysaying is too easy and I thought you were above that from your other posts. I have been wrong before though.

You haven't listed three players from the last ten years (or even from the same conference) either. Play JoeSixPat's game right.

And, yes, by my criteria Ward outranks Moss, doesn't he? Count the rings, that's why people play the game, not individual stats. The Steelers definitely agree Ward had more impact. Oh, yeah, you picked a SB MVP for your example, talk about impact.

In fairness to Moss he did put the Pats up with 2:50 to go in LXII before Eli got lucky.

So, to compare apples and apples, I think you should go find three guys from the same college conference who excelled at their positions with more rings for the last decade. No fair listing long snappers.

Otherwise define what you mean by impact so that I might have access to where you are coming from.

Also, ridiculous? Up your ass with ridiculous. Or maybe you could just shove that fish in your avatar up there.

Rings=TEAM accomplishment with FO, Coaching and great players all around

Impact=Individual on their own

argument over case closed

[c-dawg]

@buckeyebest2 said:

Rings=TEAM accomplishment with FO, Coaching and great players all around

Impact=Individual on their own

argument over case closed

The only thing closed is your mind brother.

Cuz Peyton throws to himself, Fred Taylor blocks for himself and Javon Kearse outmaneuvers the Oline all by himself. Oh yeah, and they coached themselves too and called all their own plays. Right.

"Individual on their own" is generally an impossibility in football, except for things like yards after a catch. It's a team sport there sport.

I notice you love to try to curtail discussions when you think you have a trump card. I don't think you are playing with a full deck, however.

Also, you said: "exept that logic has a huge flaw, by your logic Dan Marino never made an impact in the NFL"

Again, Dan Marino hasn't played in the last decade which was the point to JoeSixPat's challenge. Can you even focus or do you not know what decade means?

[BuckeyeBest2]

c-dawg said:

The only thing closed is your mind brother.

Cuz Peyton throws to himself, Fred Taylor blocks for himself and Javon Kearse outmaneuvers the Oline all by himself. Oh yeah, and they coached themselves too and called all their own plays. Right.

"Individual on their own" is generally an impossibility in football, except for things like yards after a catch. It's a team sport there sport.

I notice you love to try to curtail discussions when you think you have a trump card. I don't think you are playing with a full deck, however.

Also, you said: "exept that logic has a huge flaw, by your logic Dan Marino never made an impact in the NFL"

Again, Dan Marino hasn't played in the last decade which was the point to JoeSixPat's challenge. Can you even focus or do you not know what decade means?

Rings=team

impact=individual

fact

discussion over

deal with it

in your opinion=Dan Marino=not a good QB since he doesnt have any rings

thats says it allabout what little you know about football

[BuckeyeBest2]

c-dawg said:

The only thing closed is your mind brother.

Cuz Peyton throws to himself, Fred Taylor blocks for himself and Javon Kearse outmaneuvers the Oline all by himself. Oh yeah, and they coached themselves too and called all their own plays. Right.

"Individual on their own" is generally an impossibility in football, except for things like yards after a catch. It's a team sport there sport.

I notice you love to try to curtail discussions when you think you have a trump card. I don't think you are playing with a full deck, however.

Also, you said: "exept that logic has a huge flaw, by your logic Dan Marino never made an impact in the NFL"

Again, Dan Marino hasn't played in the last decade which was the point to JoeSixPat's challenge. Can you even focus or do you not know what decade means?

Rings=team

impact=individual

fact

discussion over

deal with it

in your opinion=Dan Marino=not a good QB since he doesnt have any rings

thats says it allabout what little you know about football

[Kosar_For_President]

@buckeyebest2 said:

Rings=team

impact=individual

fact

discussion over

deal with it

in your opinion=Dan Marino=not a good QB since he doesnt have any rings

thats says it allabout what little you know about football

Now I know. Mods, this is Bubby.

[c-dawg]

@buckeyebest2 said:

Rings=team

impact=individual

fact

discussion over

deal with it

in your opinion=Dan Marino=not a good QB since he doesnt have any rings

thats says it allabout what little you know about football

Rings: What your boyfriend bought at the jewelry store for your upcoming marriage.

Impact: Describes the new dance moves you have been showcasing on Fire Island, they are faaaaaaabulous!

Fact: Your head resides in your ass.

[Thaak]

c-dawg said:

Thaak. I defined impact for my reply. What's your definition? Stick your neck out too. Naysaying is too easy and I thought you were above that from your other posts. I have been wrong before though.

You haven't listed three players from the last ten years (or even from the same conference) either. Play JoeSixPat's game right.

And, yes, by my criteria Ward outranks Moss, doesn't he? Count the rings, that's why people play the game, not individual stats. The Steelers definitely agree Ward had more impact. Oh, yeah, you picked a SB MVP for your example, talk about impact.

In fairness to Moss he did put the Pats up with 2:50 to go in LXII before Eli got lucky.

So, to compare apples and apples, I think you should go find three guys from the same college conference who excelled at their positions with more rings for the last decade. No fair listing long snappers.

Otherwise define what you mean by impact so that I might have access to where you are coming from.

Also, ridiculous? Up your ass with ridiculous. Or maybe you could just shove that fish in your avatar up there.

Um, my huge list from above, are all SEC players. Check it out. Read that whole post and I actually do pick 3 players specifically to compare.

My definition of impact:

Any impact player must be at least one and preferably most if not all of the following:

1) Individually if you get the records for yardage or scoring (i.e. Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Dan Marino)

2) Individually if you change the nature by which your position is played (i.e. Michael Vick (arguable), Peyton Manning, Lawrence Taylor, Roger Craig)

3) If you inspire others to play great around you (Ray Lewis, John Elway, Joshua Cribbs)

4) If the player’s absence (includes taking plays off) would be felt and potentially cause wins to come much tougher or losses to occur (Mike Baab, Randy Moss, Emitt Smith)

5) If just saying the name inspires fear in other players and fans (Jim Brown, Mean Joe Greene, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, Joshua Cribbs)

A single impact player is not likely to get you to, or win you the super bowl. But several impact players certainly can and will.

[c-dawg]

@thaak said:

Um, my huge list from above, are all SEC players. Check it out. Read that whole post and I actually do pick 3 players specifically to compare.

My definition of impact:

Any impact player must be at least one and preferably most if not all of the following:

1) Individually if you get the records for yardage or scoring (i.e. Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Dan Marino)

2) Individually if you change the nature by which your position is played (i.e. Michael Vick (arguable), Peyton Manning, Lawrence Taylor, Roger Craig)

3) If you inspire others to play great around you (Ray Lewis, John Elway, Joshua Cribbs)

4) If the player’s absence (includes taking plays off) would be felt and potentially cause wins to come much tougher or losses to occur (Mike Baab, Randy Moss, Emitt Smith)

5) If just saying the name inspires fear in other players and fans (Jim Brown, Mean Joe Greene, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, Joshua Cribbs)

A single impact player is not likely to get you to, or win you the super bowl. But several impact players certainly can and will.

Sorry for busting on your fish and your ass Thaak, that was a cheap shot. I don't take kindly to being called ridiculous, which I think was also a cheap shot.

[Thaak]

c-dawg said:

Sorry for busting on your fish and your ass Thaak, that was a cheap shot. I don't take kindly to being called ridiculous, which I think was also a cheap shot.

It is only a cheap shot if it doesn’t actually apply but could based on perception.

My assertion was not a cheap shot, because your assertion was ridiculous.

[c-dawg]

@thaak said:

It is only a cheap shot if it doesn’t actually apply but could based on perception.

My assertion was not a cheap shot, because your assertion was ridiculous.

Ah Thaak. You failed that test like a true chump. Thought so.

You provide a huge list of SEC players only to fail in naming three that outpaced JoeSixPat's list. You say that Harvin and others have the potential to be better than Moss. That doesn't cut it.

I say that you have the potential to be a world class turd burglar.

Oh, go ahead and stick that ridiculous fish back up your ridiculous ass.

[Thaak]

c-dawg said:

Ah Thaak. You failed that test like a true chump. Thought so.

You provide a huge list of SEC players only to fail in naming three that outpaced JoeSixPat's list. You say that Harvin and others have the potential to be better than Moss. That doesn't cut it.

I say that you have the potential to be a world class turd burglar.

Oh, go ahead and stick that ridiculous fish back up your ridiculous ass.

What’s your malfunction man?

I named two that were far and away more impact than two on his list. Go re-read my post. If you can’t figure out the two I listed, I might just list them for you again.

I can’t name one that has had more impact than Moss. But there are impact players from the SEC that are WR’s.

[c-dawg]

@thaak said:

What’s your malfunction man?

I named two that were far and away more impact than two on his list. Go re-read my post. If you can’t figure out the two I listed, I might just list them for you again.

I can’t name one that has had more impact than Moss. But there are impact players from the SEC that are WR’s.

Biggest problem with you; you can only work with your own definition. Others' definitions are ridiculous. You started the name calling, and now wanna be the voice of reason. Nice. Put it with the fish, you know where...

I read your post, too, so no need to threaten to relist them...Oh, and by my definition Ben and Harrison's titles trump Peyton and Haynesworth's titles.