2010 free agency list
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What FAs are available at other positions? Positions we could really use somebody?
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I WANT TROY SMITH!
Keep Ratliff as a backup even though Bartel was better, Mangini seemed to favor Ratliff for personal reasons and not skill reasons.
All Bartel needed to do to become a better QB was get rid of the ball earlier(he got sacked a million times in the preseason but had a great completion rate).
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by the way, how is this a "2010 free agency list"? this is a "2010 QB free agency list".
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Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent.
Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.
Seriously, ... NO.
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Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent.
Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.
Seriously, ... NO.
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why do people romanticize troy smith so much? because he was a buckeye? there is a reason why he isn't seeing any pt.
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why do people romanticize troy smith so much? because he was a buckeye? there is a reason why he isn't seeing any pt.
why do people romanticize troy smith so much? because he was a buckeye? there is a reason why he isn't seeing any pt.
yeah there was a reason, he got a throat infection, he was named starter up until that infection and that's the only reason why he didn't see any playing time.
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why do people romanticize troy smith so much? because he was a buckeye? there is a reason why he isn't seeing any pt.
why do people romanticize troy smith so much? because he was a buckeye? there is a reason why he isn't seeing any pt.
There is a reason, you're right. His name is Joe Flacco.
What's the harm in bringing in Smith, if we can get a decent enough trade for him? I think it's already been proven that our QB's aren't necessarily cutting it. I say, if we can get Smith without giving away anything of too great a value, we should go for it.
It won't happen, of course. But there's no harm in wishing. And, Harbaugh was endorsing Smith all throughout the offseason until he got sick. I'm not saying Smith is the second coming of Jesus Christ (who was a great quarterback, on top of everything else), I'm just saying he's worth taking a shot.
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My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?
Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar.
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as far as WR fa's go, i can definitely see clowney coming here next year.
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Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.
Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.
Thanks a lot for making me puke.
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Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.
Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.
Vick jumping into the dogpound an instant classic ha ha
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My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?
Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar.
My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?
Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar.
Brady Quinn- Notre Dame - 46 games
COMP ---- ATT---- COMP %------ YDS------ TD --- INT --- RATING ---- RuATT ---- RuYDS ---- AVG ----RuTD
929 ------ 1602 --- 58.0 --------11,762 ----- 95 ----39 ---- 134.4 ------- 254 -------- 182 --------.7------ 6
Troy Smith- The Ohio State University - 44 games
COMP ---- ATT ----- COMP % ----- YDS ------ TD --- INT --- RATING ---- RuATT ---- RuYDS ---- AVG --- RuTD
420 ------ 670 ------ 62.7 -------- 5,720 ------ 54 --- 13 ----- 159.72 ----- 283 -------1197 ------ 4.2 ------ 14
And, just for shits and giggles.
Peyton Manning- University of Tennessee - 45 games
COMP ---- ATT ---- COMP % ---- YDS ---- TD ---- INT
851 ----- 1354 ----- 62.85 ------ 11,201 --- 89 ---- 33
Comparing completion percentages, Troy Smith was more accurate in college than Brady Quinn, and only slightly less accurate than Peyton Manning. Granted, BQ and Peyton more than doubled Smith in every other statistic, excluding rating and TD's. These stats are hard to compare, though, because:
1)Tressel had two more than capable running backs that he relied on
2)Smith made plenty of plays on his feet instead of passing
3)Fulmer and Willingham/Weis ran a much more aerial-based offense than Tressel (from what I remember)
4)It's Peyton freakin' Manning.
I'm not on the Troy Smith bandwagon at all. I'd love to give him a shot, but it won't happen. I'm more inclined to believe that Holmgren would like a more traditional type QB than a rushing QB. The only reason I like Troy Smith is because he was a very mobile QB who had the pass first mentality. Most of the time, he only made the plays on his feet if he had to. And like I said before, I don't want a running QB who can throw, I'd much rather have a throwing QB who can run.
I'm only posting these stats because it's late, I'm bored, and I can't go to sleep. If these stats prove anything, it's that you can't foretell a QB's NFL career based on his college stats. If you could, Brady Quinn would have won a couple MVP awards by now, don't you think? And Ryan Leaf, along with Tim Couch, would be perennial Pro Bowlers.
Oh, and thanks. There's nothing I love more than Braylon being Braylon.
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Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.
Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.
No way man they would never bring vick to cleveland and he sucks anyways...
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I don't understand the hurry to release Ratliff, and if you use this list as the guide, it may be a first round choice at QB.
Draft first round Qb and you might as well sit there like the vikings did with our thumbs up our asses and watch guys fall off the board that we need much much more. 3rd round qb at earliest
Draft first round Qb and you might as well sit there like the vikings did with our thumbs up our asses and watch guys fall off the board that we need much much more. 3rd round qb at earliest
Not saying that is what I would do, but add it up...we have a new regime, and one who seems to know qbs...at least he says so.
If we aren't thrilled with the qbs we have, and can't find something via free agency, the draft is the logical next step.
If we fall in love with a Clawsen as an example, don't be shocked if we pull the plug and draft him.
Ultimately, much is going to depend on the evaluation Holmgren gives DA and Brady. If he likes one of them, that is the route we will take. If he decides to pass, we will have to do something.
Seeing we do have extra picks this year, it very well could be determined this is the year to pluck the qb if one who fits the bill is there.
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Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent.
Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.
Seriously, ... NO.
Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent.
Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.
Seriously, ... NO.
OK, I agree. I might like to see him here, but not at any real cost. If he was a UFA, perhaps. Or maybe one of those 6th-7th round draft picks, but no more. He would be an experiment.
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My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?
Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar.
My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?
Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar.
Well, Smith won the Heisman Trophy....which automatically qualifies him for "greatness", at least at the college level.
But as we know, many Heisman Trophy winning QBs did diddley with their pro careers. Here is the list of Heisman QB "busts" at the Pro level since 1960:
Terry Baker
John Huarte
Steve Spurrier
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Andre Ware
Gino Toretta
Charlie Ward
Danny Weurfell
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Jason White
Question marks or "backup/serviceable": Doug Flutie? Ty Detmer?
Heisman QBs successes:
Roger Staubach
Jim Plunkett
Vinny Testaverde
Carson Palmer
Heisman QBs "Too early perhaps to tell":
Matt Leinert
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Of the 4 above, do you believe any of them will pan out to be a pro success? It seems to me that the odds are only about 33%, meaning one of them may become really good, one somewhat serviceable, and two of them complete busts. Right now, Leinert and Smith are in the "Backup-serviceable" category. If they do nothing further with their careers they will degrade down to the "bust" category. Fair to say?
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just throwing it out there other fa qbs are
Tarvaris Jackson
chad pennington
jason campbell
kyle orton
kellen clemens
FA RBS
Ronnie Brown RFA
Pierre Thomas RFA
Cadillac Williams FA
Darren Sproles FA
Mike Bell FA
LenDale White FA
Leon Washington FA
Chester Taylor FA
Jerious Norwood FA
WRS FA
Brandon Marshall
Vincent Jackson
Miles Austin
Braylon Edwards
Terrell Owens
Antonio Bryant
Derrick Mason
Steve Breaston
Malcom Floyd
OL FA
Jahri Evans
Logan Mankins
Marcus McNeill
Willie Colon
Jared Gaither
Donald Penn
Jermon Bushrod
Daryn Colledge
Kevin Mawae
Chad Clifton
DL FA
Julius Peppers
Elvis Dumervil
Johnny Jolly
Aaron Kampman
Ray Edwards
Marcus Spears
Kyle Vanden Bosch
Leonard Little
Adewale Ogunleye
Vince Wilfork
Richard Seymour
Aubrayo Franklin
Casey Hampton
FA LBS
Shawne Merriman
Barrett Ruud
Karlos Dansby
DeMeco Ryans
Kirk Morrison
Thomas Davis
DβQwell Jackson
Thomas Howard
FA DBS
Carlos Rogers
Tramon Williams
Dunta Robinson
Richard Marshall
Leigh Bodden
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I have bolded the ones I would be interested in:
Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35)
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29)
David Carr, New York Giants (31)
Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27)
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33)
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30)
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31)
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37)
Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) β Restricted FA
Chris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33)
Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) β Exclusive Rights FA
Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) β Restricted FA
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I thought the bengals running back was a free agent
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You mentioned WR Steve Breaston. He looked awful good in that game Sunday for the Cards.
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