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  • M maintainin125

    Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.

    @maintainin125 said:

    Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.

    Thanks a lot for making me puke.

  • M maintainin125

    Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.

    @maintainin125 said:

    Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.

    Vick jumping into the dogpound an instant classic ha ha

    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
  • D DeadWombat

    My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?

    Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar. πŸ˜†

    @deadwombat said:

    My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?

    Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar. πŸ˜†

    Brady Quinn- Notre Dame - 46 games

    COMP ---- ATT---- COMP %------ YDS------ TD --- INT --- RATING ---- RuATT ---- RuYDS ---- AVG ----RuTD

    929 ------ 1602 --- 58.0 --------11,762 ----- 95 ----39 ---- 134.4 ------- 254 -------- 182 --------.7------ 6

    Troy Smith- The Ohio State University - 44 games

    COMP ---- ATT ----- COMP % ----- YDS ------ TD --- INT --- RATING ---- RuATT ---- RuYDS ---- AVG --- RuTD

    420 ------ 670 ------ 62.7 -------- 5,720 ------ 54 --- 13 ----- 159.72 ----- 283 -------1197 ------ 4.2 ------ 14

    And, just for shits and giggles.

    Peyton Manning- University of Tennessee - 45 games

    COMP ---- ATT ---- COMP % ---- YDS ---- TD ---- INT

    851 ----- 1354 ----- 62.85 ------ 11,201 --- 89 ---- 33

    Comparing completion percentages, Troy Smith was more accurate in college than Brady Quinn, and only slightly less accurate than Peyton Manning. Granted, BQ and Peyton more than doubled Smith in every other statistic, excluding rating and TD's. These stats are hard to compare, though, because:

    1)Tressel had two more than capable running backs that he relied on

    2)Smith made plenty of plays on his feet instead of passing

    3)Fulmer and Willingham/Weis ran a much more aerial-based offense than Tressel (from what I remember)

    4)It's Peyton freakin' Manning.

    I'm not on the Troy Smith bandwagon at all. I'd love to give him a shot, but it won't happen. I'm more inclined to believe that Holmgren would like a more traditional type QB than a rushing QB. The only reason I like Troy Smith is because he was a very mobile QB who had the pass first mentality. Most of the time, he only made the plays on his feet if he had to. And like I said before, I don't want a running QB who can throw, I'd much rather have a throwing QB who can run.

    I'm only posting these stats because it's late, I'm bored, and I can't go to sleep. If these stats prove anything, it's that you can't foretell a QB's NFL career based on his college stats. If you could, Brady Quinn would have won a couple MVP awards by now, don't you think? And Ryan Leaf, along with Tim Couch, would be perennial Pro Bowlers.

    Oh, and thanks. There's nothing I love more than Braylon being Braylon.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • M maintainin125

    Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.

    @maintainin125 said:

    Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back.

    No way man they would never bring vick to cleveland and he sucks anyways...

    We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
  • cdl15C cdl15

    @ballpeen said:

    I don't understand the hurry to release Ratliff, and if you use this list as the guide, it may be a first round choice at QB.

    Draft first round Qb and you might as well sit there like the vikings did with our thumbs up our asses and watch guys fall off the board that we need much much more. 3rd round qb at earliest

    @cdl15 said:

    Draft first round Qb and you might as well sit there like the vikings did with our thumbs up our asses and watch guys fall off the board that we need much much more. 3rd round qb at earliest

    Not saying that is what I would do, but add it up...we have a new regime, and one who seems to know qbs...at least he says so.

    If we aren't thrilled with the qbs we have, and can't find something via free agency, the draft is the logical next step.

    If we fall in love with a Clawsen as an example, don't be shocked if we pull the plug and draft him.

    Ultimately, much is going to depend on the evaluation Holmgren gives DA and Brady. If he likes one of them, that is the route we will take. If he decides to pass, we will have to do something.

    Seeing we do have extra picks this year, it very well could be determined this is the year to pluck the qb if one who fits the bill is there.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • C calfoxwc

    Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent.

    Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.

    Seriously, ... NO.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent.

    Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him.

    Seriously, ... NO.

    OK, I agree. I might like to see him here, but not at any real cost. If he was a UFA, perhaps. Or maybe one of those 6th-7th round draft picks, but no more. He would be an experiment.

  • D DeadWombat

    My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?

    Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar. πŸ˜†

    @deadwombat said:

    My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?

    Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar. πŸ˜†

    Well, Smith won the Heisman Trophy....which automatically qualifies him for "greatness", at least at the college level.

    But as we know, many Heisman Trophy winning QBs did diddley with their pro careers. Here is the list of Heisman QB "busts" at the Pro level since 1960:

    Terry Baker

    John Huarte

    Steve Spurrier

    Gary Beban

    Pat Sullivan

    Andre Ware

    Gino Toretta

    Charlie Ward

    Danny Weurfell

    Chris Weinke

    Eric Crouch

    Jason White

    Question marks or "backup/serviceable": Doug Flutie? Ty Detmer?

    Heisman QBs successes:

    Roger Staubach

    Jim Plunkett

    Vinny Testaverde

    Carson Palmer

    Heisman QBs "Too early perhaps to tell":

    Matt Leinert

    Troy Smith

    Tim Tebow

    Sam Bradford

    Of the 4 above, do you believe any of them will pan out to be a pro success? It seems to me that the odds are only about 33%, meaning one of them may become really good, one somewhat serviceable, and two of them complete busts. Right now, Leinert and Smith are in the "Backup-serviceable" category. If they do nothing further with their careers they will degrade down to the "bust" category. Fair to say?

    ballpeenB 1 Reply

  • just throwing it out there other fa qbs are

    Tarvaris Jackson

    chad pennington

    jason campbell

    kyle orton

    kellen clemens

    FA RBS

    Ronnie Brown RFA

    Pierre Thomas RFA

    Cadillac Williams FA

    Darren Sproles FA

    Mike Bell FA

    LenDale White FA

    Leon Washington FA

    Chester Taylor FA

    Jerious Norwood FA

    WRS FA

    Brandon Marshall

    Vincent Jackson

    Miles Austin

    Braylon Edwards

    Terrell Owens

    Antonio Bryant

    Derrick Mason

    Steve Breaston

    Malcom Floyd

    OL FA

    Jahri Evans

    Logan Mankins

    Marcus McNeill

    Willie Colon

    Jared Gaither

    Donald Penn

    Jermon Bushrod

    Daryn Colledge

    Kevin Mawae

    Chad Clifton

    DL FA

    Julius Peppers

    Elvis Dumervil

    Johnny Jolly

    Aaron Kampman

    Ray Edwards

    Marcus Spears

    Kyle Vanden Bosch

    Leonard Little

    Adewale Ogunleye

    Vince Wilfork

    Richard Seymour

    Aubrayo Franklin

    Casey Hampton

    FA LBS

    Shawne Merriman

    Barrett Ruud

    Karlos Dansby

    DeMeco Ryans

    Kirk Morrison

    Thomas Davis

    D’Qwell Jackson

    Thomas Howard

    FA DBS

    Carlos Rogers

    Tramon Williams

    Dunta Robinson

    Richard Marshall

    Leigh Bodden

  • I have bolded the ones I would be interested in:

    Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35)

    Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29)

    David Carr, New York Giants (31)

    Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27)

    Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33)

    Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30)

    Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31)

    Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37)

    Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) – Restricted FA

    Chris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33)

    Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) – Exclusive Rights FA

    Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) – Restricted FA

    Predicted Records:2010: 8-82011: 8-82012: 9-72013: 5-112014: 6-10

  • I thought the bengals running back was a free agent

  • You mentioned WR Steve Breaston. He looked awful good in that game Sunday for the Cards.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @deadwombat said:

    My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy?

    Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar. πŸ˜†

    Well, Smith won the Heisman Trophy....which automatically qualifies him for "greatness", at least at the college level.

    But as we know, many Heisman Trophy winning QBs did diddley with their pro careers. Here is the list of Heisman QB "busts" at the Pro level since 1960:

    Terry Baker

    John Huarte

    Steve Spurrier

    Gary Beban

    Pat Sullivan

    Andre Ware

    Gino Toretta

    Charlie Ward

    Danny Weurfell

    Chris Weinke

    Eric Crouch

    Jason White

    Question marks or "backup/serviceable": Doug Flutie? Ty Detmer?

    Heisman QBs successes:

    Roger Staubach

    Jim Plunkett

    Vinny Testaverde

    Carson Palmer

    Heisman QBs "Too early perhaps to tell":

    Matt Leinert

    Troy Smith

    Tim Tebow

    Sam Bradford

    Of the 4 above, do you believe any of them will pan out to be a pro success? It seems to me that the odds are only about 33%, meaning one of them may become really good, one somewhat serviceable, and two of them complete busts. Right now, Leinert and Smith are in the "Backup-serviceable" category. If they do nothing further with their careers they will degrade down to the "bust" category. Fair to say?

    @the-gipper said:

    Heisman QBs "Too early perhaps to tell":

    Tim Tebow

    Sam Bradford

    Perhaps?? They haven't played a down of NFL football.

    There is no perhaps about it.

    JMO

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • These stats are hard to compare, though, because:

    The Cleveland Browns don't play Army, Navy and Air Force..which Quinn and Notre Dame did.

    Seymour and Wilfork played for Mangini in NE when he was the DC...Everyone likes to go with someone there familiar with.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @the-gipper said:

    Heisman QBs "Too early perhaps to tell":

    Tim Tebow

    Sam Bradford

    Perhaps?? They haven't played a down of NFL football.

    There is no perhaps about it.

    JMO

    @ballpeen said:

    Perhaps?? They haven't played a down of NFL football.

    There is no perhaps about it.

    JMO

    Yea, I know, but since I was including Smith and Leinert in with them the "perhaps" applied to them.

  • P peterbell

    These stats are hard to compare, though, because:

    The Cleveland Browns don't play Army, Navy and Air Force..which Quinn and Notre Dame did.

    Seymour and Wilfork played for Mangini in NE when he was the DC...Everyone likes to go with someone there familiar with.

    @peterbell said:

    These stats are hard to compare, though, because:

    The Cleveland Browns don't play Army, Navy and Air Force..which Quinn and Notre Dame did.

    Seymour and Wilfork played for Mangini in NE when he was the DC...Everyone likes to go with someone there familiar with.

    Except I understood that they were the respective college stats, thus they would be comparable, as Notre Dame will typically play a much more difficult schedule than Tennessee or most other college teams will.

  • I know it would never happen, but what if we got Boldin in a trade and Marshall as a freeagent. I believe that would be a sickness that even D Reves couldn't recover from. Just a thought. Im going to stop thinking now.

  • cambridgehoC cambridgeho

    I know it would never happen, but what if we got Boldin in a trade and Marshall as a freeagent. I believe that would be a sickness that even D Reves couldn't recover from. Just a thought. Im going to stop thinking now.

    @cambridgeho said:

    I know it would never happen, but what if we got Boldin in a trade and Marshall as a freeagent. I believe that would be a sickness that even D Reves couldn't recover from. Just a thought. Im going to stop thinking now.

    its ok to dream

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