Jerome Harrison traded for Mike Bell (Jay Glazer reporting)
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everyone thought hillis was crap when he was thrown in with the BQ trade, look what we have now. bell will be a solid #2 behind hillis, and thats all we need, someone whos good enough to be an actual option when hillis is getting a breather or injured. last game we couldn't run the ball when hillis wasn't in cause harrison wouldn't get us anything.
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my gay ass picture? i support my team from 1000 miles away and when they come to canton for the hall of fame game right down the road from me, i show my support as best i can
blackandgold.com is the saints forum that i post on. its a lot like this site and if you read my first thread i encouraged everyone here to go and chat with the posters there. lots of good football knowledge and discussion. they are a tight knit group and are very friendly and welcome anyone
i started posting here because:
i live in canton
im also a browns fan
the saints play the browns this year
sorry for being so nice and informative.
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mike bell isnt the next coming of christ. he isnt even the next coming of peyton hillis. but he is a running back that fits the system that the browns run and he has shown that when he is given opportunities, he does a lot with them.
Canton..they are pretty rude here huh...and very misinformed...Bell ia good back ,,hate just like Fujita and Colt ..he has to play in Cleveland..
Canton..they are pretty rude here huh...and very misinformed...Bell ia good back ,,hate just like Fujita and Colt ..he has to play in Cleveland..
Very misinformed? Dude you got bitch slapped because you wanted to throw our new QB in even after holmgren said he wouldnt be playing this season. We had no clue that jake and seneca would both go down with injuries, and that is the only reason colt is starting. not because he is any better then the other two.
aye yai yai.
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Canton..they are pretty rude here huh...and very misinformed...Bell ia good back ,,hate just like Fujita and Colt ..he has to play in Cleveland..
Very misinformed? Dude you got bitch slapped because you wanted to throw our new QB in even after holmgren said he wouldnt be playing this season. We had no clue that jake and seneca would both go down with injuries, and that is the only reason colt is starting. not because he is any better then the other two.
aye yai yai.
Dawgfanforever88 said:
Very misinformed? Dude you got bitch slapped because you wanted to throw our new QB in even after holmgren said he wouldnt be playing this season. We had no clue that jake and seneca would both go down with injuries, and that is the only reason colt is starting. not because he is any better then the other two.aye yai yai.
Looks like i was right...AGAIN.....anyway Canton probably forgot more about football than most here know...from the looks of your buddys knowledge of Mike Bells career fumbles he would be in that number..You can be tough behind that monitor pal..thats typical of 12 year old behavior..
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everyone thought hillis was crap when he was thrown in with the BQ trade, look what we have now. bell will be a solid #2 behind hillis, and thats all we need, someone whos good enough to be an actual option when hillis is getting a breather or injured. last game we couldn't run the ball when hillis wasn't in cause harrison wouldn't get us anything.
everyone thought hillis was crap when he was thrown in with the BQ trade, look what we have now. bell will be a solid #2 behind hillis, and thats all we need, someone whos good enough to be an actual option when hillis is getting a breather or injured. last game we couldn't run the ball when hillis wasn't in cause harrison wouldn't get us anything.
Exactly.
One also has to consider that Bell runs a lot like Hillis, so when one or the other is in, the plan doesn't have to change. It seems to me the blocking calls are more of a power zone blocking scheme....get a hat on somebody and drive them and let the bruiser make a hole and get 3-4 yards. Harrsion couldn't do that....he needed seams, and why he couldn't do much.
Bell is the perfect back-up to Hillis.
We have settled on a power running game...grind out 3-4-5 yards a pop.
Change of pace is great unless the change of pace was to have the back slammed to the ground at the LOS.....which is what Harrison provided
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We will be sure to grind the clock, but we also will be sure to be 2-14
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Canton..they are pretty rude here huh...and very misinformed...Bell ia good back ,,hate just like Fujita and Colt ..he has to play in Cleveland..
Very misinformed? Dude you got bitch slapped because you wanted to throw our new QB in even after holmgren said he wouldnt be playing this season. We had no clue that jake and seneca would both go down with injuries, and that is the only reason colt is starting. not because he is any better then the other two.
aye yai yai.
Dawgfanforever88 said:
Very misinformed? Dude you got bitch slapped because you wanted to throw our new QB in even after holmgren said he wouldnt be playing this season. We had no clue that jake and seneca would both go down with injuries, and that is the only reason colt is starting. not because he is any better then the other two.aye yai yai.
To clarify, Holmgren said he wouldn't play unless (paraphrasing) bad things happened which means both Jake and Seneca go down with injury. Well, it's time to take the wrapping off of the emergency procedure. Holmgren isn't stupid. He knows what he said. He and the coaching staff have discussed this contingency (I'm speculating).
This illustrates one problem with sports fans (not necessarily Dff88) and that is that we have a hard time with reading/listening comprehension. "can" does not mean "will" and "won't" can always be qualified with a contingency. Small details make a big difference.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
Very misinformed? Dude you got bitch slapped because you wanted to throw our new QB in even after holmgren said he wouldnt be playing this season. We had no clue that jake and seneca would both go down with injuries, and that is the only reason colt is starting. not because he is any better then the other two.aye yai yai.
To clarify, Holmgren said he wouldn't play unless (paraphrasing) bad things happened which means both Jake and Seneca go down with injury. Well, it's time to take the wrapping off of the emergency procedure. Holmgren isn't stupid. He knows what he said. He and the coaching staff have discussed this contingency (I'm speculating).
This illustrates one problem with sports fans (not necessarily Dff88) and that is that we have a hard time with reading/listening comprehension. "can" does not mean "will" and "won't" can always be qualified with a contingency. Small details make a big difference.
To clarify, Holmgren said he wouldn't play unless (paraphrasing) bad things happened which means both Jake and Seneca go down with injury. Well, it's time to take the wrapping off of the emergency procedure. Holmgren isn't stupid. He knows what he said. He and the coaching staff have discussed this contingency (I'm speculating).
This illustrates one problem with sports fans (not necessarily Dff88) and that is that we have a hard time with reading/listening comprehension. "can" does not mean "will" and "won't" can always be qualified with a contingency. Small details make a big difference.
I agree like I said we have no choice but to start him now. McCoy is the only quarterback on the roster that has had reps since final cuts were made.
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Do you even follow the NFL you moron?
Yeah he does but according to Gips; Thomas having the only bad game, against a very underrated DE in Abraham who no one really talks about, since we drafted him signifies that Thomas is quitting on the team and is going to want to be traded.
As far as the latest trade goes... I liked what Harrison did last year but it was evident this year that he just wasn't getting it done and I'm glad we did something about it now then wait till the off-season.
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I am beginning to wonder if Davis had inched ahead of Harrison on the depth chart and the team decided to make the move while Harrison still maintained some value..
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I just love how everyone know's all there is to know about this guy and we havn't even seen him play one down in a Browns uniform yet. I think ill reserve my judgement for after Sundays game lol.
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This is a great trade for the organization. I don't know what the argument is for - we took a person that we didn't want in a system, and he did not want to be in the system - and we were able to fill that with a back that will be able to benefit the system. This is huge, and maybe you have to know every aspect of the game to realize it - but it is. Our offensive line, when productive, is one of the most explosive and strongest in the NFL. When you put in a back like PH 2/3 downs, and then an entirely different back on other downs - the style as to which your offensive line plays changes completely. We now have essentially the same type of back running every down. The offensive line, now only has to worry about shrugging their man, pulling their man, every down - every play. Peyton Runs for two downs, 3rd and 2, he's banged up and tired - Harrison comes in, and the Offensive Line collapses because they are not used to making they holes and running to the side in order to get the plays available to make him successful. Now we have an additional guy in here that can push it through the middle, and bounce of tacklers to get that extra yard. Oh yeah, he also falls forward too.
I'm impressed by this trade, better than the 6th round pick we were going to get from the Packers two weeks ago (yeah, this is true).
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I am beginning to wonder if Davis had inched ahead of Harrison on the depth chart and the team decided to make the move while Harrison still maintained some value..
I am beginning to wonder if Davis had inched ahead of Harrison on the depth chart and the team decided to make the move while Harrison still maintained some value..
He was virtually a Packer two weeks ago. The Walrus knew we could get more.
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I was just on Cleveland.com which I know I shouldn't read because the level of morons there is massive. News check. Eric doesn't make trades now..Mike and Tom do. You can't give Mike and Heckert props for DelHomme,Hillis and Wallace but get on Mangini for the Harrison trade..Really moronic. Harrison was a dog this year and that was obvious and CLEARLY not better then Hillis and Holmgren and Heckert aren't blind.
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mikeyP72 said:
This, like the Hillis trade, will be one we're looking back on sometime in the future thinking about how we made out on the deal. You can't for a second think Denver is happy losing a pick and Hillis for a third string QB lol.....You mean an "inactive on Sundays" QB?
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Jerome Harrison was traded straight up for Mike Bell according to Jay Glazer.
"Eagles have traded rb mike bell to browns for rb jerome harrison"
Jerome Harrison was traded straight up for Mike Bell according to Jay Glazer.
"Eagles have traded rb mike bell to browns for rb jerome harrison"
LMFAO!! now THIS gives me renewed faith in H3.
don't know shinolah about Bell but in the vids i found he looks to have good speed and quick accel, good vision, he's effective between the tackles, he runs with reckless abandon and he covers the ball with both hands in traffic.
huge "toughness" upgrade over harrison...i like it.
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If only Hardesty was not injured, we could have traded Harrison for a decent #2 WR atleast.
Hopefully Bell is an able RB and once Hillis and Hardesty are back we could have the best bruiser pack in the AFC !
If only Hardesty was not injured, we could have traded Harrison for a decent #2 WR atleast.
seems we're pretty stocked in the #2 WR category...
how about a strong safety?
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Either would work, but in the end it is important to have running backs....good ones.
Very few make it the entire season anymore.
As long as Mangini is the coach, this is a run first team. Considering our division and local weather, that is fine by me. Running isn't impacted by the elements as much as throwing the ball.
Add in the fact that at least for now, Colt is our QB in wait, we need backs we can count on. Even with Hillis, Bell, and Hardesty we don't have too many backs. All are big and push the pile to some degree, so if one goes down we don't have to change a thing in the way we plan to play the game. Keep it mostly between the tackles and drive the ball.
Based on what I am seeing with our addition of big backs, I am beginning to see a trend that points to us selecting a big tackle for the right side fairly early in the next draft. It may not be in the first round as we stand a chance of drafting fairly early, but I would say round 2 brings in some more beef for the offensive line.
Just a rant here.....but I would be surprised if we change coaches at this point....meaning going in to next season. I am seeing improved play even though we aren't winning yet. We are in every game and we aren't getting beat up. It's almost to the point we are the ones doing the beating up on a weekly basis.
I see a plan in place. One that will keep us in games against anybody and maybe soon enough beating anybody we face.
It would shock me if Holmgren and Heckert don't see that the team isn't that far away. We are really only a few players away from a solid team, and a few more from a team that wins...often.
A couple of playmakers on each side of the ball would make this season much different. For me it is a RT and a receiver on O and a safety and LB on D. We may disagree a bit on what we would like to see, but we have something going here and finally have something on which we can build.
We don't need to blow it up at this point.....let's keep moving forward.
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good post. i thoroughly agree about the RT. and if Watson improves a bit, i'll scratch TE off my list.
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Either would work, but in the end it is important to have running backs....good ones.
Very few make it the entire season anymore.
As long as Mangini is the coach, this is a run first team. Considering our division and local weather, that is fine by me. Running isn't impacted by the elements as much as throwing the ball.
Add in the fact that at least for now, Colt is our QB in wait, we need backs we can count on. Even with Hillis, Bell, and Hardesty we don't have too many backs. All are big and push the pile to some degree, so if one goes down we don't have to change a thing in the way we plan to play the game. Keep it mostly between the tackles and drive the ball.
Based on what I am seeing with our addition of big backs, I am beginning to see a trend that points to us selecting a big tackle for the right side fairly early in the next draft. It may not be in the first round as we stand a chance of drafting fairly early, but I would say round 2 brings in some more beef for the offensive line.
Just a rant here.....but I would be surprised if we change coaches at this point....meaning going in to next season. I am seeing improved play even though we aren't winning yet. We are in every game and we aren't getting beat up. It's almost to the point we are the ones doing the beating up on a weekly basis.
I see a plan in place. One that will keep us in games against anybody and maybe soon enough beating anybody we face.
It would shock me if Holmgren and Heckert don't see that the team isn't that far away. We are really only a few players away from a solid team, and a few more from a team that wins...often.
A couple of playmakers on each side of the ball would make this season much different. For me it is a RT and a receiver on O and a safety and LB on D. We may disagree a bit on what we would like to see, but we have something going here and finally have something on which we can build.
We don't need to blow it up at this point.....let's keep moving forward.
Just a rant here.....but I would be surprised if we change coaches at this point....meaning going in to next season. I am seeing improved play even though we aren't winning yet. We are in every game and we aren't getting beat up. It's almost to the point we are the ones doing the beating up on a weekly basis.
I see a plan in place. One that will keep us in games against anybody and maybe soon enough beating anybody we face.
It would shock me if Holmgren and Heckert don't see that the team isn't that far away. We are really only a few players away from a solid team, and a few more from a team that wins...often.
A couple of playmakers on each side of the ball would make this season much different. For me it is a RT and a receiver on O and a safety and LB on D. We may disagree a bit on what we would like to see, but we have something going here and finally have something on which we can build.
We don't need to blow it up at this point.....let's keep moving forward.
Nicely worded (as usual). I would say that the great unknown in all of this is what Holmgren defines as "progress". It certainly doesn't matter what anyone else's definition is because ultimately it's Holmgren's call. The fact that he kept Mangini at all leads me to believe he must really have been impressed because there was no other reason to do so. I would like to see how good this OL could be with Lauvao playing on the right. I think we'd all be pleased.
Ballpeen, I wish I could say that making the OL better is going to give the Browns a big boost but I simply don't see it that way. I think that there are two issues on offense.
1) QB play. It's a QB driven league. Your QB plays well. You win. It's that simple. I am not saying that Seneca or Colt could not be good enough in the future it's just that QB play has arguably cost us every loss we have.
2) Receivers. It's hard to understand this as it seems to be a "chicken or the egg" argument. A good QB may make these guys better. I saw a lot of guys getting open against the Falcons later in the game and no ball came their way. I don't know that these receivers can't be good enough but we certainly don't have enough receiving production to keep defenses from stacking the box. At the game on Sunday, there was a play in the fourth quarter where Stuckey became open beautifully on a corner route about twenty or thirty yards downfield. Jake didn't see him. He couldn't have been more open. He and the underneath receiver had vertically stretched the corner and the safety to that side pressed down onto the TE.
I, too, hope they don't blow it up. I see a tough and physical team on both sides of the ball and if they could add a few elements, we could be talking some real competitiveness soon. I expected to be annoyed with Daboll's playcalling up close on Sunday but I wasn't. For the most part, the plan worked. We were too banged up and Jake didn't deliver.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
This guys total career carries are a little more that starting full time backs get in one season, and he only has 5 fumbles. Plus his two in one game came his rookie year, where you would expect a back to drop some balls.Which is more reason why he shouldn't of put the ball on the ground 5 times in 370 plus carries.
Which is more reason why he shouldn't of put the ball on the ground 5 times in 370 plus carries.
Harrison 4 times in 302 carries. Its a wash, fumble-wise. Not a good argument for or against either player.
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