Jeff Davidson
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Rich, you are wrongie-mundane-o.
First of all, Davidson isn't the issue. The Giants have a big 6'4", 264 lbs battering ram for first downs and touchdowns.
And, Eli has elevated his game - he has only been sacked about 27 and 23 times the last two years. But last year, he fumbled
more than snowflakes fell in a blizzard.
But, your great and all powerful Ben Gay was sacked - in the forties, the last two years. Sadly, they have no more battering ram.
But Hines Ward catches almost every pass ever throw within 5 yards of him. I've seen him drop ONE PASS.
What the Steelers DO have, is, the best defense in the NFL.
Oh, and the baltihor dirty rotten stinkin ratbirds? Number two defense.
And the Giants? #6 defense.
Note, the dismal score that the BROWNS-Steelers first game was.
So, Rich, lookie-lookie where the Browns defense is:
The Browns' defense has played very, very well at times - and the offense went DA bye bye.
And that takes it's toll on the defense.
The Browns stupidly run on first down so much, and second down so much, while DA/Dorsey were
statues back there frantically throwing the ball away or throwing interceptions or throwing good passes
that Wailin' Braylon DROPS so much of the time........
That defenses can simply stack against the run, knowing the qb's can't scramble and Wailin isn't catchable,
and the offensive play calling is UNdecievable....
Teams have to have most of the pieces in place. The Browns are closer to that than ever before - but the
coaching staff have no nads, and Shaffer is a turnstile.
And, just for the record, Shaun O'Hara was a bum because he DIDN'T GIVE A CRAP, he wanted the $$$ but then
he hated being on an expansion team. He whined more than T.O. and Ocho Stinko combined. But, he is
3rd alternate for the pro bowl.
You have to have the oline to ENABLE your skill players to play, and your defense
has to be able to hold the fort.
I believe KC, Detroit, and Seattle pick before the Browns.
Add that - Cincy and Oakland pick a bit BEFORE the Browns. San Diego picks a bit? after the Browns.
Look where their defenses rank.
Now, Rich, buddy - you made great SENSE once, I freakin KNOW you can do it again !
(you just had another relapse of goofy-hoofy).
that's code for "big silly foot in mouth".
1 Pittsburgh 238.7 75.8 3.22 162.9 60.91 47 32.7 26:47 13.7
2 Baltimore 257.5 77.9 3.45 179.6 58.50 32 31.1 24:38 15.2
3 Philadelphia 274.4 90.5 3.42 183.9 71.88 41 31.8 29:16 19.5
4 Tennessee 281.0 93.4 3.73 187.6 63.09 38 32.7 30:31 14.1
5 Washington 285.1 95.9 3.77 189.2 74.01 20 36.6 28:39 19.0
6 N.Y. Giants 285.8 90.6 3.93 195.1 72.97 41 39.1 27:37 17.6
7 Dallas 287.0 92.4 3.94 194.6 81.33 53 34.8 29:49 20.6
8 Minnesota 292.8 71.1 3.22 221.6 78.97 41 33.0 28:24 20.7
9 Tampa Bay 299.4 115.6 4.26 183.7 67.61 27 36.2 29:07 17.9
10 Miami 316.4 97.3 3.95 219.1 78.90 38 37.1 29:22 19.2
11 Carolina 316.9 111.5 4.11 205.4 76.72 29 37.4 30:48 18.9
12 Indianapolis 317.2 126.8 4.18 190.4 75.65 25 47.9 32:01 19.6
13 Buffalo 317.4 114.1 4.20 203.4 82.27 22 36.0 29:34 21.9
14 Arizona 318.6 106.7 3.98 211.9 96.53 29 45.5 29:06 25.6
15 Jacksonville 319.1 110.7 4.12 208.4 88.06 26 36.4 28:33 22.1
16 New England 319.9 108.1 4.13 211.9 91.87 25 45.1 26:27 21.6
17 Chicago 326.8 93.1 3.51 233.6 71.94 28 33.7 29:44 21.6
18 San Francisco 328.7 103.9 3.84 224.8 84.95 26 38.3 27:52 24.4
19 N.Y. Jets 332.6 90.9 3.71 241.7 84.00 39 39.7 29:57 22.8
20 New Orleans 337.7 108.7 4.05 229.0 80.09 21 39.0 29:29 25.2
21 Houston 338.1 125.4 4.55 212.8 88.25 22 39.6 28:20 24.5
22 Atlanta 342.4 119.2 4.80 223.2 81.48 28 37.8 28:52 20.1
23 Cincinnati 343.3 124.9 3.92 218.4 92.27 13 44.0 33:00 25.6
24 Green Bay 344.6 138.4 4.81 206.3 72.87 23 39.8 28:56 24.2
25 San Diego 346.5 102.9 3.87 243.6 92.38 25 40.5 31:46 21.6
26 Oakland 362.2 167.2 4.73 195.0 79.30 27 46.1 32:50 24.9
27 Cleveland 363.5 147.4 4.49 216.1 78.74 18 44.8 32:26 21.8
28 Denver 373.8 139.8 4.86 234.0 95.19 22 43.1 31:15 26.1
29 St. Louis 375.0 151.6 4.72 223.4 96.15 25 41.0 25:09 29.8
30 Seattle 380.4 119.5 4.05 260.9 96.09 30 42.9 34:19 25.4
31 Detroit 389.3 168.9 4.96 220.4 106.47 27 42.8 33:07 31.7
32 Kansas City 397.1 155.1 4.93 242.0 90.40
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We'll rich ... if I had steve smith, musin muhamed, jonathan Stewart, and deangelo williams with 3 1st rounders on the line with the center from USC kalil who by all counts was supposed to be a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder on the O-line....I could QB that team!
WELL DAMN, so you admit the Oline is a dime a dozen and skill players are what it is?????????????? or is that post I just read mumbo jumbo bluseshot
WELL DAMN, so you admit the Oline is a dime a dozen and skill players are what it is?????????????? or is that post I just read mumbo jumbo bluseshot
OK...simmer down...4 first round O-lineman are somehow a dime a dozen??? You build the lines then and only then do you add skill players. O-line/D-line then RB's and LB's then QB and safeties.....wr's and corners are guys you can find later in the drafts.
Just my opinion!
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WELL DAMN, so you admit the Oline is a dime a dozen and skill players are what it is?????????????? or is that post I just read mumbo jumbo bluseshot
OK...simmer down...4 first round O-lineman are somehow a dime a dozen??? You build the lines then and only then do you add skill players. O-line/D-line then RB's and LB's then QB and safeties.....wr's and corners are guys you can find later in the drafts.
Just my opinion!
OK...simmer down...4 first round O-lineman are somehow a dime a dozen??? You build the lines then and only then do you add skill players. O-line/D-line then RB's and LB's then QB and safeties.....wr's and corners are guys you can find later in the drafts.
Just my opinion!
Of course he ignores that CAR has two first rounders on their line. Notices how he changes his argument and spins it else where once that was thrown out. It's the MO of da ich.
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OK...simmer down...4 first round O-lineman are somehow a dime a dozen??? You build the lines then and only then do you add skill players. O-line/D-line then RB's and LB's then QB and safeties.....wr's and corners are guys you can find later in the drafts.
Just my opinion!
Of course he ignores that CAR has two first rounders on their line. Notices how he changes his argument and spins it else where once that was thrown out. It's the MO of da ich.
Masters said:
Of course he ignores that CAR has two first rounders on their line. Notices how he changes his argument and spins it else where once that was thrown out. It's the MO of da ich.well mike...they have three 1st rounders and Khalil who by all accounts was supposed to go in the first....so I'll say 4 first rounders. Delhomme is average at best...so there goes his franchise qb theory as well....DUCK!
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Masters said:
Of course he ignores that CAR has two first rounders on their line. Notices how he changes his argument and spins it else where once that was thrown out. It's the MO of da ich.well mike...they have three 1st rounders and Khalil who by all accounts was supposed to go in the first....so I'll say 4 first rounders. Delhomme is average at best...so there goes his franchise qb theory as well....DUCK!
well mike...they have three 1st rounders and Khalil who by all accounts was supposed to go in the first....so I'll say 4 first rounders. Delhomme is average at best...so there goes his franchise qb theory as well....DUCK!
Counting Khalil (who is a 2nd) as a 1st would only make it 3. The two T are 1st rounders, 1 G is a 3rd, and the other G is an undrafted. But still, that's some high picks on dime a dozen guys....lol
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Now that you are done with all the rationalizing.........move on and tell us all how Pittsburghs OLINE is the reason they are 11-3 and NE's OLINE is the reason they won all those Super Bowls with two FA's on the OLINE
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We'll rich ... if I had steve smith, musin muhamed, jonathan Stewart, and deangelo williams with 3 1st rounders on the line with the center from USC kalil who by all counts was supposed to be a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder on the O-line....I could QB that team!
We'll rich ... if I had steve smith, musin muhamed, jonathan Stewart, and deangelo williams with 3 1st rounders on the line with the center from USC kalil who by all counts was supposed to be a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder on the O-line....I could QB that team!
That's precisely the Brown's problem. They have not drafted well or got the right pieces in FA.
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Jeff Otah
J Stewart
Jon Beason
DeAngelo Williams
Thomas Davis
Chris Gamble
Jordan Gross
Julius Peppers
all recent first round picks by the Panthers. I'd trade our drafts for theirs in a split second.
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Now that you are done with all the rationalizing.........move on and tell us all how Pittsburghs OLINE is the reason they are 11-3 and NE's OLINE is the reason they won all those Super Bowls with two FA's on the OLINE
Now that you are done with all the rationalizing.........move on and tell us all how Pittsburghs OLINE is the reason they are 11-3 and NE's OLINE is the reason they won all those Super Bowls with two FA's on the OLINE
PITs D and Ben getting the score in the clutch is why they are 11-3. Sure ain't their Oline. Because Ben has been on his back half the season and statistically on O PIT is in the bottom half of the league (both in rush and pass).
Any other brain busters you want to use to dodge the point?
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We'll rich ... if I had steve smith, musin muhamed, jonathan Stewart, and deangelo williams with 3 1st rounders on the line with the center from USC kalil who by all counts was supposed to be a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder on the O-line....I could QB that team!
That's precisely the Brown's problem. They have not drafted well or got the right pieces in FA.
That's precisely the Brown's problem. They have not drafted well or got the right pieces in FA.
Glad there a few Browns fans who get...............your post is a great relief...........among those who think things are swimmingly well
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I'll give you props on warning us of a bad year....you did say we had an awful easy schedule last year and had a bunch of second team Qb's playin us....nice call rich. as to dime o dozen theory....watever(dead horse)...we will draft skill players this year, i.e. RB,LB corner and possibly wr.
I swear if we don't go LB in first I'll scream for savages head with you!!! REY 09'
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I'll give you props on warning us of a bad year....you did say we had an awful easy schedule last year and had a bunch of second team Qb's playin us....nice call rich. as to dime o dozen theory....watever(dead horse)...we will draft skill players this year, i.e. RB,LB corner and possibly wr.
I swear if we don't go LB in first I'll scream for savages head with you!!! REY 09'
I'll give you props on warning us of a bad year....you did say we had an awful easy schedule last year and had a bunch of second team Qb's playin us....nice call rich. as to dime o dozen theory....watever(dead horse)...we will draft skill players this year, i.e. RB,LB corner and possibly wr.
I swear if we don't go LB in first I'll scream for savages head with you!!! REY 09'
Thanks...........and indeed an impact LB is what I call a disruptive player so yes indeed they can and should be considered for top picks.......we need guys who touch the ball and some depth there........
lets hope Sewage is gone when draft day comes
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So we both want the same thing.......except you are voting to keep a moron and I do indeed want to move on and keep moving on until we get it right
SEWAGE stinks big .........oh uyeahs
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dats right da ich be getting it.......big time and correctamundo..........sewage is coffee fetcher and some have amnesia.........tell me again who has football acumen..........thomas be fat slug what is peterson doin
da ich, da ich, da ich is on fire!!!
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Jeff Davidson was shafted here, yes, I'll admit it.
When he took over the offense it got WORSE.
Grant it he stuck with Carthon's O schemes because he felt he couldn't change mid season and the players make adjustments.
Maybe Romeo felt he liked Carton's O and made Davis stick with it.
Who knows.
This whole team is f$$ked up from front office down to the janitorial staff at Berea that is supposed to be cleaning up the place so the players don't get staph.
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Rich,
Can you put up the salary numbers for both Carolina's O-line and Cleveland's O-line?
Are you saying we are spending a 100 Million and they are spending only 10's of Millions (or less?)?
I'm interested in seeing your point, thanks.
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Rich,
Can you put up the salary numbers for both Carolina's O-line and Cleveland's O-line?
Are you saying we are spending a 100 Million and they are spending only 10's of Millions (or less?)?
I'm interested in seeing your point, thanks.
Rich,
Can you put up the salary numbers for both Carolina's O-line and Cleveland's O-line?
Are you saying we are spending a 100 Million and they are spending only 10's of Millions (or less?)?
I'm interested in seeing your point, thanks.
I think this is total cap numbers, but:
Panthers:
LT-Jordan Gross $7,459,920
LG-Travelle Wharton $12,850,000
C-Ryan Kalil $799,880
RG-Keydrick Vincent $1,130,000
RT-Jeff Otah $2,253,750
Total: $23,773,550
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/carolina-panthers/salary
Browns:
LT-Joe Thomas $8,800,000
LG-Eric Steinbach $7,600,000
C-Hank Fraley $1,650,000
RG-Rex Hadnot $3,950,000
RT-Kevin Shaffer $3,350,000
Total: $25,350,000
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Rich,
Can you put up the salary numbers for both Carolina's O-line and Cleveland's O-line?
Are you saying we are spending a 100 Million and they are spending only 10's of Millions (or less?)?
I'm interested in seeing your point, thanks.
Rich,
Can you put up the salary numbers for both Carolina's O-line and Cleveland's O-line?
Are you saying we are spending a 100 Million and they are spending only 10's of Millions (or less?)?
I'm interested in seeing your point, thanks.
For what its worth:
Super Bowl Champion NY Giants:
LT- David Diehl $4,100,000
LG- Chris Snee $14,890,000
C-Shaun O'Hara $1,900,000
RG-Rich Seubert $4,350,000
RT-Kareem McKenzie $3,750,000
Total: $28,990,000
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/new-york-giants/salary
A quick check of many teams the only one who seems to be under $10,000,000 is the Patriots..don't hold me to that though...but they're close...
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Good work Titlest
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Rich,
Can you put up the salary numbers for both Carolina's O-line and Cleveland's O-line?
Are you saying we are spending a 100 Million and they are spending only 10's of Millions (or less?)?
I'm interested in seeing your point, thanks.
I think this is total cap numbers, but:
Panthers:
LT-Jordan Gross $7,459,920
LG-Travelle Wharton $12,850,000
C-Ryan Kalil $799,880
RG-Keydrick Vincent $1,130,000
RT-Jeff Otah $2,253,750
Total: $23,773,550
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/carolina-panthers/salary
Browns:
LT-Joe Thomas $8,800,000
LG-Eric Steinbach $7,600,000
C-Hank Fraley $1,650,000
RG-Rex Hadnot $3,950,000
RT-Kevin Shaffer $3,350,000
Total: $25,350,000
I think this is total cap numbers, but:
Panthers:
LT-Jordan Gross $7,459,920
LG-Travelle Wharton $12,850,000
C-Ryan Kalil $799,880
RG-Keydrick Vincent $1,130,000
RT-Jeff Otah $2,253,750
Total: $23,773,550
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/carolina-panthers/salary
Browns:
LT-Joe Thomas $8,800,000
LG-Eric Steinbach $7,600,000
C-Hank Fraley $1,650,000
RG-Rex Hadnot $3,950,000
RT-Kevin Shaffer $3,350,000
Total: $25,350,000
Shocking. Da Ich is 100% incorrectomondo.
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