Nick Fairley Or Marcell Dareus
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Personally id take Dareus because i think Fairley has a higher ceiling but he also has a lower floor, another thing i considered was there 10 yard spilt which they run in the 40 Dareus was alot faster and he is alot bigger. Which means to me he has more explosing coming off the line of Scrimmage...So let me know who you got and why? Theres a very good chance they both could be there when we pick
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Dareus.
If people are expecting them to come out like Suh, they're mistaken. To re-iterate, Fairley didn't come off as thick, but fat. Dareus looked impressive at the combine.
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I think Darius just for the fact that he won't draw as many personal fouls and Fairley will. Plus Darius isn't a one hit wonder like Fairley is. Both have lied though... Fairley saying that he was 6'5" to help his draft stock and Darius saying he ran a 4.5-4.6 for the same reason. Darius does have injury concerns but they are not huge injures, just small stuff. But now there are basically swapped with each other. People are talking about Darius going first and Farley falling so we will just have to wait and see how everything pans out.
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I thought they both looked great at the combine.
When you watch Fairley on tape, his first step is probably the best in college football. The ten-yard split doesn't take into account reactions to the snap, to the o-line, ect. (Though Dareus time was unbelievable for 320 lbs).
I'll take Fairley because I think he can be an elite 3-technique pass rushing tackle next to a more stout Rubin. That combo would be a great start to a D-line and I think they would complement each other perfectly.
If the team is convinced Fairley is a hard-worker and doesn't have character issues than I think he would be the choice.
I like them both a lot though.
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I thought they both looked great at the combine.
When you watch Fairley on tape, his first step is probably the best in college football. The ten-yard split doesn't take into account reactions to the snap, to the o-line, ect. (Though Dareus time was unbelievable for 320 lbs).
I'll take Fairley because I think he can be an elite 3-technique pass rushing tackle next to a more stout Rubin. That combo would be a great start to a D-line and I think they would complement each other perfectly.
If the team is convinced Fairley is a hard-worker and doesn't have character issues than I think he would be the choice.
I like them both a lot though.
I thought they both looked great at the combine.
When you watch Fairley on tape, his first step is probably the best in college football. The ten-yard split doesn't take into account reactions to the snap, to the o-line, ect. (Though Dareus time was unbelievable for 320 lbs).
I'll take Fairley because I think he can be an elite 3-technique pass rushing tackle next to a more stout Rubin. That combo would be a great start to a D-line and I think they would complement each other perfectly.
If the team is convinced Fairley is a hard-worker and doesn't have character issues than I think he would be the choice.
I like them both a lot though.
Can someone please explain to me what a 3 technique and 5 technique pass rusher is. I listened to the guys at the combine use both all the time and am lost with their definitions. Also, which one is better for a 4-3 and why. Thanks in advanced.
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I'm definitely not an expert on this but I usually think of a 5-technique as a 3-4 DE. They usually line up face up with the OT. The nose-tackle plays directly opposite the center.
In a 4-3 defense, one tackle plays between the center and a guard. The other (the 3-technique) plays just outside of the guard on the other side. The 3-technique usually is a better pass rusher and is often in a one on one with the guard.
Here is a really good link that explains the alignment and assignments of each player in both styles of defense and compares the two. It has good pictures and explains it a lot better than I can.
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Personally id take Dareus because i think Fairley has a higher ceiling but he also has a lower floor, another thing i considered was there 10 yard spilt which they run in the 40 Dareus was alot faster and he is alot bigger. Which means to me he has more explosing coming off the line of Scrimmage...So let me know who you got and why? Theres a very good chance they both could be there when we pick
Personally id take Dareus because i think Fairley has a higher ceiling but he also has a lower floor, another thing i considered was there 10 yard spilt which they run in the 40 Dareus was alot faster and he is alot bigger. Which means to me he has more explosing coming off the line of Scrimmage...So let me know who you got and why? Theres a very good chance they both could be there when we pick
You can look at the 10 yard splits and say he ran slower, but I dont think you can say he plays football slower. From what I've seen Fairley looks much quicker then Dareus. Marcell looks slow and easily blocked, Fairley's got that killer instict, and a great first step. Some of his aggressiveness is going to have to be tempered down at the next level, but that's easier to do then trying to motivate somebody to be more aggresive. I like him alot at 4-3 DT with his disruptive style, but its more likely Marcell would fall to us, who then I would chose JJ Watt over.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
Fairley's athleticism and play doesn't do diddley, for an NFL team that drafts him, and has him getting
arrested on weapons and assault charges, and or drug charges.
Darius' character is fine.
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Neither if Green and/or Peterson are there, otherwise, Dareus
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Personally id take Dareus because i think Fairley has a higher ceiling but he also has a lower floor, another thing i considered was there 10 yard spilt which they run in the 40 Dareus was alot faster and he is alot bigger. Which means to me he has more explosing coming off the line of Scrimmage...So let me know who you got and why? Theres a very good chance they both could be there when we pick
You can look at the 10 yard splits and say he ran slower, but I dont think you can say he plays football slower. From what I've seen Fairley looks much quicker then Dareus. Marcell looks slow and easily blocked, Fairley's got that killer instict, and a great first step. Some of his aggressiveness is going to have to be tempered down at the next level, but that's easier to do then trying to motivate somebody to be more aggresive. I like him alot at 4-3 DT with his disruptive style, but its more likely Marcell would fall to us, who then I would chose JJ Watt over.
You can look at the 10 yard splits and say he ran slower, but I dont think you can say he plays football slower. From what I've seen Fairley looks much quicker then Dareus. Marcell looks slow and easily blocked, Fairley's got that killer instict, and a great first step. Some of his aggressiveness is going to have to be tempered down at the next level, but that's easier to do then trying to motivate somebody to be more aggresive. I like him alot at 4-3 DT with his disruptive style, but its more likely Marcell would fall to us, who then I would chose JJ Watt over.
JJ Watt is not fast enough to be a 4-3 DE and not big enough to be a DT, he is a 3-4 DE and does not fit in our system.
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Agreed about the charcter concerns with Fairley, i see him as alot more cocky and aggroant which could be a good thing or it could make you Chad Ocho Cinco...Warren Sapp was Cocky as well but a hell of a player btw he thinks Dareus is alot better than Fairley
Agreed about the charcter concerns with Fairley, i see him as alot more cocky and aggroant which could be a good thing or it could make you Chad Ocho Cinco...Warren Sapp was Cocky as well but a hell of a player btw he thinks Dareus is alot better than Fairley
MAKES ME THINK OF GERRARD WARREN WHO HAD A COLLEGE MEAN STREAK BUT WAS SO SO IN HIS COMMITMENT TO TRAINING.
DARIUS NO CONTEST, YET IF FAIRLY...TO HIGH A PICK TO OVERLOOK THE BIG IF.
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If only a caps button existed....oh wait
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I'm definitely not an expert on this but I usually think of a 5-technique as a 3-4 DE. They usually line up face up with the OT. The nose-tackle plays directly opposite the center.
In a 4-3 defense, one tackle plays between the center and a guard. The other (the 3-technique) plays just outside of the guard on the other side. The 3-technique usually is a better pass rusher and is often in a one on one with the guard.
Here is a really good link that explains the alignment and assignments of each player in both styles of defense and compares the two. It has good pictures and explains it a lot better than I can.
I'm definitely not an expert on this but I usually think of a 5-technique as a 3-4 DE. They usually line up face up with the OT. The nose-tackle plays directly opposite the center.
In a 4-3 defense, one tackle plays between the center and a guard. The other (the 3-technique) plays just outside of the guard on the other side. The 3-technique usually is a better pass rusher and is often in a one on one with the guard.
Here is a really good link that explains the alignment and assignments of each player in both styles of defense and compares the two. It has good pictures and explains it a lot better than I can.
Awesome thanks a lot.
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You can look at the 10 yard splits and say he ran slower, but I dont think you can say he plays football slower. From what I've seen Fairley looks much quicker then Dareus. Marcell looks slow and easily blocked, Fairley's got that killer instict, and a great first step. Some of his aggressiveness is going to have to be tempered down at the next level, but that's easier to do then trying to motivate somebody to be more aggresive. I like him alot at 4-3 DT with his disruptive style, but its more likely Marcell would fall to us, who then I would chose JJ Watt over.
JJ Watt is not fast enough to be a 4-3 DE and not big enough to be a DT, he is a 3-4 DE and does not fit in our system.
JJ Watt is not fast enough to be a 4-3 DE and not big enough to be a DT, he is a 3-4 DE and does not fit in our system.
A 4.7 40 is plenty quick enough to play DE. If you wanted to bulk him up to play DT, at 6-5 290lbs he has the prototypical frame to add muscle in a NFL program.
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JJ Watt is not fast enough to be a 4-3 DE and not big enough to be a DT, he is a 3-4 DE and does not fit in our system.
A 4.7 40 is plenty quick enough to play DE. If you wanted to bulk him up to play DT, at 6-5 290lbs he has the prototypical frame to add muscle in a NFL program.
A 4.7 40 is plenty quick enough to play DE. If you wanted to bulk him up to play DT, at 6-5 290lbs he has the prototypical frame to add muscle in a NFL program.
In my opinon hes not a fast enough end for the 4-3, a high 4.7 is not a great enough pass rush to have when in the 4-3 you need dynamite ends to get the QB, ala Freeny,Mathis etc..
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A 4.7 40 is plenty quick enough to play DE. If you wanted to bulk him up to play DT, at 6-5 290lbs he has the prototypical frame to add muscle in a NFL program.
In my opinon hes not a fast enough end for the 4-3, a high 4.7 is not a great enough pass rush to have when in the 4-3 you need dynamite ends to get the QB, ala Freeny,Mathis etc..
In my opinon hes not a fast enough end for the 4-3, a high 4.7 is not a great enough pass rush to have when in the 4-3 you need dynamite ends to get the QB, ala Freeny,Mathis etc..
There aren't any DE's in this draft running 4.4's, 4.6 is the best time I've seen a DL run. Watt will make up for that one tenth of a second with his effort and long length and he's got the ability to play either DE or DT.
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