My Ideas

[calfoxwc]

I'm not a doctor. But wouldn't that be an option for parents to do, that optionally would be covered by their

insurance, in return for a higher premium?

If you are an older couple, in your eighties, why the bleep would you have to pay for

a global provision like that?

Why not bring abortion into it? Why is the left so insistent on paying for abortions?

That is most always a completely medically unnecessary procedure.

Actually, there is the possibility of infections in that part of the body, but perhaps that's a reach.

But to support abortions as medically necessary is just corrupt liberal dem thinking of pandering to their leftist base.

[calfoxwc]

It's called freedom, btw. If you want that covered, then YOU pay for the coverage.

You don't make other people collectively provide it for you.

Right now, we have way too many people slurping the "make everybody else

pay for me to be happy" pink=o koolaid.

It's time for the lefties to start being responsible for themselves, and to

leave other people alone, and start being self sufficient instead of self serving.

It's a liberal disease, the symptoms are:

Depression about not being rich, not being taken care of, and not being fed, housed, clothed and entertained

like little babies. The gov is not a babysitter. Some programs are necessary, but there isn't a program for utopia.

So STOP THE FREAKIN SPENDING. The gov shouldn't pay for abortions OR circumcisions, without that coverage persnally paid for,

by the users of those services who wanted that coverage. Or, you pay for it your own selves.

You don't make the gov have new taxes to provide it for you. That's the Dem way. And a few Reps. Vote for stopping the crap in gov..

[Pumpkin Eater]

It's a completely nominal procedure. The circumcision rates in Europe is in the teens (some countries like Spain it's only 2%, Denmark is only 1.6%) depending on region, and 14% in Canada. Seriously if you want to talk about a slightly higher risk of infection, then where does it end? Why don't we cut nearly all women's breasts off to prevent cancer.

Medicaid should NOT be paying for any nominal procedure.

If they want to have it done, then they can pay for it themselves.

[calfoxwc]

True, or pay a higher premium to have it covered.

But your point about breat cancer? That IS a disease, my friend.

And some women who have the Brackk sp? test show that they have

the gene to be predicted to get breast cancer, DO have double surgeries,

THAT is medically necessary, for a solid, scientifically proven reason on a

devasting major issue that is in every state, most any? county....

especially when they have a family member with it. With breast cancer being so prevalent,

that isn't part of this issue. Penile infections and medically necessary abortions are so rare,

I have never heard of any.

I thought we were talking about medically unnecessary surgeries.

[Pumpkin Eater]

We are. I was simply stating that if you advocate circumcision because a 0.5% higher chance of a urinary tract infection, then would you also advocate removing all of a woman's breast tissue when no cancer is found and her family has no history of breast cancer? Of course not!

[calfoxwc]

I'm still missing your point. 75 percent of breast cancers occur with no family history. It's extrememly prevalent.

Now, I don't favor the gov paying for all people to have circumcisions, OR abortions, Or any other medically unnecessary

procedures. It's for the individuals to take personal responsibility to buy coverage for that kind of thing.

But, abortions and circumcisions are a dominate issue.

Bringing up the nonexistent occurence of women wanting to have completely unecessary mascetomies sp? is hardly any occurence at all.

The analogy isn't valid. Circumcision and abortions are two dominate cultural issues - in every state, every where.

The circumcision issue seems to be anti-religious in nature, since abortion is a favorite liberal issue, even though it is also

completely? medically unnecessary.

[Pumpkin Eater]

ok forget the analogy. Bottom line is that medicaid should not be paying for nominal, unnecessary medical procedures.

By the way, it's only a nominal procedure for the parents. The baby boy has no say in it whatsoever.

Also, as a religious issue, really it's only jews that mandate having it done.

[calfoxwc]

No, I thought it was Jews that DON'T do it.

I've taken too much of a break today, but it's a holiday.

(the Browns play tonight... GGG)

[VaporTrail]

@pumpkin-eater said:

How about ending the medicaid coverage of circumcisions in all states. Why in the world is a completely medically unnecessary procedure covered by medicaid anywhere?

PE, I'm really sorry to bring up religion again, but the real answer is because the Bible says it's part of a covenant. There is no benefit to being circumcised, and you lose sensitivity (thanks for deciding for me, mom and dad). The procedure is nothing more than genital mutilation, and the only reason it's still happening today is because we've been doing it for so long without asking why we're doing it.

[VaporTrail]

Bunker said:

there you go again talking about penises. you must like them dirty uncircumcised and full of diseases or infections. why do you think they wrote the book of leviticus? rules to live by for their own well being.

Actually, to be quite honest, some of mine grew back post-circumcision (look up skin bridge, if you want, nsfw). I was scared that girls would get weirded out by it cuz it's different, but the skin bridges are waayyyyyy more sensitive than the rest of my dick. And I don't know about you, but I prefer sex to be as pleasurable as possible. Well, that was probably TMI, but whatever.

[Pumpkin Eater]

It's Old Teastament. New Testament says:

Philippians 3:1–3

Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you is no trouble to me and is safe for you.

2 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—

Galatians 2:1–3

Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up because of a revelation and set before them (though privately before those who seemed influential) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure I was not running or had not run in vain. 3 But even Titus, who was with me, was not forced to be circumcised, though he was a Greek.

Galatians 5:1–11

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

Galatians 6:11–16

11 See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand. 12 It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13 For even those who are circumcised do not themselves keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

So there you have it. It means nothing to Jesus. It's a Jewish custom. In fact, during the holocaust, German soldiers used it as a way to identify Jewish boys.

My wife and I chose not to have our son done. I invite everyone on here to watch a video showing a helpless baby being circumcised and tell me they would still have it done to their son. We saw it and it's horrific. I don't know how anyone could make their son go through something so terrible. Who cares if he is going to remember it? I would remember the pain I put my child through.

[Kosar_For_President]

This goes from a thread asking about ideas on how to fix the economy to circumcision? WTF. No wonder why it's getting harder to come back here.

[Pumpkin Eater]

Well Medicaid pays for it in some states. It should not. There's some money savings for you.

[Mr. T]

@kosar_for_president said:

This goes from a thread asking about ideas on how to fix the economy to circumcision? WTF. No wonder why it's getting harder to come back here.

LOL!

[VaporTrail]

@pumpkin-eater said:

It's Old Teastament. New Testament says:

Philippians 3:1–3

Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you is no trouble to me and is safe for you.

2 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—

Galatians 2:1–3

Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up because of a revelation and set before them (though privately before those who seemed influential) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure I was not running or had not run in vain. 3 But even Titus, who was with me, was not forced to be circumcised, though he was a Greek.

Galatians 5:1–11

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

Galatians 6:11–16

11 See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand. 12 It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13 For even those who are circumcised do not themselves keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

So there you have it. It means nothing to Jesus. It's a Jewish custom. In fact, during the holocaust, German soldiers used it as a way to identify Jewish boys.

My wife and I chose not to have our son done. I invite everyone on here to watch a video showing a helpless baby being circumcised and tell me they would still have it done to their son. We saw it and it's horrific. I don't know how anyone could make their son go through something so terrible. Who cares if he is going to remember it? I would remember the pain I put my child through.

Great post, and you're absolutely right, it's a Jewish custom, but then why do so many Americans have it done? Because they don't know why they're getting it done. Americans are mostly Christian, not Jewish. They just know that it's been going on for so long that they just decide to do it. Only recently have doctors begun speaking out against it. Good on you for choosing not to torture your child.

[rich4eagle]

@kosar_for_president said:

Because Bunker and Cal like to gossip like tabloid bitches, I will put my 2 cents in to try to fix the economy. Ok, I am sure all I am going to get from those dumb asses the reasons why it won't work (I mean Obama), and nothing constructive, but what do you expect? They have been tea bagged.

All fooking ideologies aside.

The housing industry is what caused this mess. The housing bubble. Now what does a store do if they have too much inventory? You reduce the price and sell it half off. I understand that there are people out there who didn't buy into the "I can own a $300,000 home while working at McDonalds" thing. There are some people who did. The banks need to reduce their inventory by selling these homes and existing foreclosed homes back to the current homeowner to refinance or sell the home at say 1/2 off. Now I would just do this for homes sitting in inventory say 1-2 years, etc.

I think some of these people need a second chance. The ones who had no control over their circumstances.

See why these fooking bankers need to do this, is because the US almost defaulted on the debt we absorbed from Fannie Fooks and Freddie Gay. $4 trillion dollars and now these fooks are making HUGE profits? Fook you. They need to be forced to do this. Yes, I know people here will say government has no reason to intervene in business, bullshit, they fooking made it their business when they helped these assholes out. Which was the right thing to do, they had no choice.

That is how you make the rich pay back. You think the government can just tax Buffit personally? No. You tax (I use that term lightly) an industry (banks, Fannie Fooks and Freddie Gay) that cannot move overseas, Real Estate. What the fook are they going to do? Pack up and go to India. Hell no.

We need to get people back to work, period. I could be off on my estimates here, but before the recession, 7% of the jobs in the US were construction related. If people are able to purchase homes, this could happen. With the reduced housing prices, real people could afford a house. Then real people could get back to work to buy those houses.

So Cal and Bunker and ideas without mentioning ANY president?

I like your efforts I disagree with your causes and a good bit of your solutions but I do agree with your intent and attempt.

First off, the housing bubble was a culmination of deficit spending and war mongering. The deficit spending was started by St Reagan, who has never been credited with the rushing America to broke. He started the fiasco. After Clinton attempted to fix the mess. Bush started a bunch of new messes. Under his regime we started two unfunded wars that cost us two trillion dollars so far! Under his realm we created incentives for corporations to move factories and profits overseas tax free which they have done in record numbers. Under his watch we created loan loss reserves minimums for banks from 10% to 1%. He decreed that everyone needed to own a home. The banks ran with those two bonehead ideas and made a loan available to anyone who could breathe to buy a house whether they could afford it or not. BOOM A HOUSING BUBBLE AND HUGE BUST destroying the majorirty of decent jobs not already sent overseas by the tax incentive to move factories overseas. Worse we lowered taxes while increasing spending to ungodly excess. So that is where we are. Further under Bush we nearly tripled the already bloated defense spending to where we are now. We have not ended the useless wars in Iraq and Afghan and defense spending about equals all of the rest of the world while we cannot beat a bunch of insurgents but do maintain 60 overseas bases

The fix. Raise taxes on the eltite. Create incentives to bring factories back to the US. Create funding for infrastructure projects. Increase the payments on SS and medicare to unlimited income. Cut defense spending in half by closing most of the overseas bases and eliminating the duplication among the services while increasing readiness and capablity Tax all Churches like any other business that is what they are in essence. Delete the vast majority of tax deductions including real estate and institute a graduated flat tax of 10% over 25K 15% over 50K 20% over 120K and 30% over 400K

The jobs would come back the factories would come back the deficit would decrease and business would expand

Trickle down economics is a proven failure..................BIG TIME....................the right not only wants to sustain but increase it..................and guarantee the USA crumbles

The secret of a strong society is a strong middle class independent of the form of government...............

runaway capitalism which breeds runaway greed is the fastest way to destroy an economy.....................

just ask the Greeks, The Romans, the Spanish, the Brits and the real live today viewing the USA

[VaporTrail]

And under Obama, we've got troops in THREE conflict zones. We've got a plan to fix the debt 17 years down the line, after Obama's second term, and after the Elephant that will be there for the next 8 years. It's not politics, it's a political theater.

The only difference I see between the parties is that one pretends to care about science, but at the same time they're cutting out the shuttle program.

[calfoxwc]

The fix. Raise taxes on the eltite. Create incentives to bring factories back to the US. Rich4nothin

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Oh, raise those taxes on the rich, Rich ! That's rich!!!! It's rich folk who own the factories. Tax them so high they will move THEMSELVES elsewhere !

Then raise taxes on those nasty corps so they will leave faster too !

But, then, create.......eh.... lower taxes so they will come right back again? Bass-ackwards pseudo-logic, Rich....

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Create funding for infrastructure projects. Increase the payments on SS and medicare to unlimited income.

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Oopsie, Richie ! LOL. Your iconic moronic failure ObaMAO spent us into near permanent debt now. We don't HAVE THE FREAKIN MONEY FOR those projects.

I mean, if we DID raise the money for those projects, it would have to go for paying off our INSANE NATIONAL FREAKIN DEBT.

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Cut defense spending in half by closing most of the overseas bases and eliminating the duplication among the services while increasing readiness and capablity

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I wouldn't mind closing some bases that are not really needed anymore. Which ones, oh generalizing generalizer? But the fighter that the Navy needs that can land

on an aircraft carrier is not necessarily the fighter that the Air Force needs for long distance raids But where possible, yeah.

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Tax all Churches like any other business that is what they are in essence.

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If you are going to go after churches, why not go after all

tax exempt orgs? Like the NEA and all the "ea's" in all the states? And AARP?

they are in the big business of supporting a certain....political ...party......

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Delete the vast majority of tax deductions including real estate and institute a graduated flat tax of 10% over 25K 15% over 50K 20% over 120K and 30% over 400K

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Oh, mindless grasshopper. The first thing that would do, is to kill off most all landowners, especially farmers. It would

hit the large farmers insanely, and it would cause food prices to skyrocket past anyone's scariest imagination.

Too much jaw flappy, and too little thought, oh, Richiewan.

[Pumpkin Eater]

Churches are not taxed because it's in the constitution, first amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

taxing churches would violate this amendment.

[rich4eagle]

@pumpkin-eater said:

Churches are not taxed because it's in the constitution, first amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

taxing churches would violate this amendment.

Disagree totally with your illogical conclusion that taxing chruches violates the first amendment. Free exercise of relligion has nothing to do with taxing of their profits as a business. Using your logic nothing can be taxed according to the first amendment.