Why Won't They Use Their Talent?
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Gruden wont come here as long as Holmgren is here. Gruden is going to want COMPLETE control, and that won't happen as long as Holmgren is here
Its time to get rid of Holmgren.. I have no faith in the penguin!
We need to hire and offensive co ordinator.. We need to get an offensive identity.. we need to let heckert go back to isreal...
Its time to get rid of Holmgren.. I have no faith in the penguin!
We need to hire and offensive co ordinator.. We need to get an offensive identity.. we need to let heckert go back to isreal...
I agree abput the offensive idenity. If they are so set on running the westcoast offenese, they can't really expect it to work with WR's that suck, can they????????
If you ask me it's more the players then the system. The system can be the greatest thing ever, but if the players suck, the system isn't going to work
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
well i think its time cleveland fans saw this front office for what it is.. a joke!
Heckert and holmgren paid big money to dueche bag gocong and evan moore. These guys are non existant.. We have every right to be mad. We have a cush schedule and look terrible. Even the games we won we didnt look good in.
osama young???WTF!!! Im so glad heckert brought him in.. I have seen blades of glass make better efforts in tackling..
so lets see, free agents brandon jackso, osama young, demtri patterson... Hmm so glad we didnt spend our money in the off season..
to all those idiots who love the front office and supported them.. Way to go!
who would you rather have up there, balls? Since maddened has undoubtably made you the expert who is your front office?
who would you rather have up there, balls? Since maddened has undoubtably made you the expert who is your front office?
Well fred flinstone would be an improvement over heckert. You can tell by his smug look and ego he thinks he knows it all. Holmgren terrible at evaluating talent.
My choices, bill parcels, brian cashman, ricky lake..
Not in that order..
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Ill save everyone the trouble and just post what everyone else is going to say.
Bitch, bitch, moan, bitch, WCO, bitch, moan, Shurmer, bitch, xxxx, bitch.
There this thread is basically covered.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Ill save everyone the trouble and just post what everyone else is going to say.
Bitch, bitch, moan, bitch, WCO, bitch, moan, Shurmer, bitch, xxxx, bitch.
There this thread is basically covered.
dude if anyone should be pissed it should be you. your boy was the shit last year. what's going on this year? strep throat....yeah, ok.
i know we're all guilty of it from time to time but one fan shouldn't dump on another's right to bitch when they want too. this shit has been going on way too long. we all believe in some bs and getted revved up for the new season only to see the team look worse than it did the previous year. what do you suggest???
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Its time to get rid of Holmgren.. I have no faith in the penguin!
We need to hire and offensive co ordinator.. We need to get an offensive identity.. we need to let heckert go back to isreal...
I agree abput the offensive idenity. If they are so set on running the westcoast offenese, they can't really expect it to work with WR's that suck, can they????????
If you ask me it's more the players then the system. The system can be the greatest thing ever, but if the players suck, the system isn't going to work
I agree abput the offensive idenity. If they are so set on running the westcoast offenese, they can't really expect it to work with WR's that suck, can they????????
If you ask me it's more the players then the system. The system can be the greatest thing ever, but if the players suck, the system isn't going to work
well it's WCO or nothing with holmgren, period. his idea of thinking outside the box is looking for the donut he dropped on the floor.
:lol: fat fxxk.
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I agree abput the offensive idenity. If they are so set on running the westcoast offenese, they can't really expect it to work with WR's that suck, can they????????
If you ask me it's more the players then the system. The system can be the greatest thing ever, but if the players suck, the system isn't going to work
well it's WCO or nothing with holmgren, period. his idea of thinking outside the box is looking for the donut he dropped on the floor.
:lol: fat fxxk.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Ill save everyone the trouble and just post what everyone else is going to say.
Bitch, bitch, moan, bitch, WCO, bitch, moan, Shurmer, bitch, xxxx, bitch.
There this thread is basically covered.
So it's acceptable to you that they force feed an offense that we don't have the talent for?
So it's acceptable to you that they force feed an offense that we don't have the talent for?
What the xxxx do you want! To change the offense every god damn year to match the players we bring in, to only switch to the WCO when we have all the right players, or to just stick with the same shitty offense we ran the past several years THAT DOES NOT WORK! xxxxing idiots like you try to make it seem so god damn simple, well it's not. This system is actually good for our WR's, it plays to their strengths, any other offense and they would be doing even worse than they are now, regardless of our offense our o-line would still look like a pile of shit Thomas included, and McCoy regardless of the offense he is running would still be throwing to his check down guy 80% of the time. Use your xxxxing head.
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So it's acceptable to you that they force feed an offense that we don't have the talent for?
What the xxxx do you want! To change the offense every god damn year to match the players we bring in, to only switch to the WCO when we have all the right players, or to just stick with the same shitty offense we ran the past several years THAT DOES NOT WORK! xxxxing idiots like you try to make it seem so god damn simple, well it's not. This system is actually good for our WR's, it plays to their strengths, any other offense and they would be doing even worse than they are now, regardless of our offense our o-line would still look like a pile of shit Thomas included, and McCoy regardless of the offense he is running would still be throwing to his check down guy 80% of the time. Use your xxxxing head.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
What the xxxx do you want! To change the offense every god damn year to match the players we bring in, to only switch to the WCO when we have all the right players, or to just stick with the same shitty offense we ran the past several years THAT DOES NOT WORK! xxxxing idiots like you try to make it seem so god damn simple, well it's not. This system is actually good for our WR's, it plays to their strengths, any other offense and they would be doing even worse than they are now, regardless of our offense our o-line would still look like a pile of shit Thomas included, and McCoy regardless of the offense he is running would still be throwing to his check down guy 80% of the time. Use your xxxxing head.
How does this offense play to our strengths??????????????? Our only strength is power running, and that's not the westcoast way. Good for our wr's strengths??? Our wr have NO strengths. They can't get off the line, they can't go deep.
I was trying to point out that the people in charge want to run a certain style offense,but yet they didn't get those kind of players. We need good wr's that can get open and go deep.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
"at the end of the day" i know we all want the browns to win. we all blow off steam in a different way.
when it finally does happen we'll all be happy but definitely not agree whether or not it was the right way to get there.
30+ years invested in this team so far resulting in two ulcers and no hair gives people like me the right to bitch.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Ill save everyone the trouble and just post what everyone else is going to say.
Bitch, bitch, moan, bitch, WCO, bitch, moan, Shurmer, bitch, xxxx, bitch.
There this thread is basically covered.
dude if anyone should be pissed it should be you. your boy was the shit last year. what's going on this year? strep throat....yeah, ok.
i know we're all guilty of it from time to time but one fan shouldn't dump on another's right to bitch when they want too. this shit has been going on way too long. we all believe in some bs and getted revved up for the new season only to see the team look worse than it did the previous year. what do you suggest???
dude if anyone should be pissed it should be you. your boy was the shit last year. what's going on this year? strep throat....yeah, ok.
i know we're all guilty of it from time to time but one fan shouldn't dump on another's right to bitch when they want too. this shit has been going on way too long. we all believe in some bs and getted revved up for the new season only to see the team look worse than it did the previous year. what do you suggest???
And's it people like you that this organization is shit. 3 years and out, more like 3 games and constant jeering until fired. No one wants to come here because if they play a bad game they get booed, good coaches don't want to come here because they know they hardly have a few games before their heads get put on chopping blocks.
By the way who was available to hire as coach this year that we could have hired other than Shurmer. NO xxxxING BODY! And bitch about a guy who was too sick. Real classy, right up there with cheering when Anderson tore his knee, see my players don't want to come here comment. Over a hundred degree temp with a sickness that you would gladly use as an excuse to get out of work all week and apparently he's such a xxxxing pussy. xxxxing hypocrit.
Ya a shitty lose and I didn't see a lot of effort either, but enough of this two years and out bullshit. Stick with a FO, stick with a coach, find us an above average O-Line, and for the love of god get us a franchise QB because so far McCoy looks like a sad lost puppy who won't throw to a WR unless they are open by 10 yards.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
What the xxxx do you want! To change the offense every god damn year to match the players we bring in, to only switch to the WCO when we have all the right players, or to just stick with the same shitty offense we ran the past several years THAT DOES NOT WORK! xxxxing idiots like you try to make it seem so god damn simple, well it's not. This system is actually good for our WR's, it plays to their strengths, any other offense and they would be doing even worse than they are now, regardless of our offense our o-line would still look like a pile of shit Thomas included, and McCoy regardless of the offense he is running would still be throwing to his check down guy 80% of the time. Use your xxxxing head.
How does this offense play to our strengths??????????????? Our only strength is power running, and that's not the westcoast way. Good for our wr's strengths??? Our wr have NO strengths. They can't get off the line, they can't go deep.
I was trying to point out that the people in charge want to run a certain style offense,but yet they didn't get those kind of players. We need good wr's that can get open and go deep.
How does this offense play to our strengths??????????????? Our only strength is power running, and that's not the westcoast way. Good for our wr's strengths??? Our wr have NO strengths. They can't get off the line, they can't go deep.
I was trying to point out that the people in charge want to run a certain style offense,but yet they didn't get those kind of players. We need good wr's that can get open and go deep.
Your a xxxxing moron. WCO=short quick routes. You don't need speed burners and an abundance of great WR to run that. You can also have a power running game while running the WCO, I honestly haven't seen any difference between what our running plays look like from last year to this year. If we went with your way of thinking we would be changing the xxxxing offense we run every stupid xxxxing year, which makes even less sense when you realize that different coaches specialize in different offenses. So once again, use your xxxxing head.
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"at the end of the day" i know we all want the browns to win. we all blow off steam in a different way.
when it finally does happen we'll all be happy but definitely not agree whether or not it was the right way to get there.
30+ years invested in this team so far resulting in two ulcers and no hair gives people like me the right to bitch.
"at the end of the day" i know we all want the browns to win. we all blow off steam in a different way.
when it finally does happen we'll all be happy but definitely not agree whether or not it was the right way to get there.
30+ years invested in this team so far resulting in two ulcers and no hair gives people like me the right to bitch.
I don't have the ulcers. But I have 41 years invested and 13 years of season tickets, and the no hair part, so I can bitch ALL DAY LONG. I have literally paid my dues
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Bitch all you want but you might as well toss the idea of changing the offense every xxxxing time there is a change in personnel. If teams worked by that logic they would change offensive systems every 5 years or so.
Ruining threads since 1897. -
Bitch all you want but you might as well toss the idea of changing the offense every xxxxing time there is a change in personnel. If teams worked by that logic they would change offensive systems every 5 years or so.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Bitch all you want but you might as well toss the idea of changing the offense every xxxxing time there is a change in personnel. If teams worked by that logic they would change offensive systems every 5 years or so.
well if they are going to run this offense..........why did they go into this season with this group of receivers?
NONE of them are good enough to be the #1 guy in the westcoast system. ANd watching the offense today, how many times did you see 4 wr's on the field? We don't even have 4 receivers good enough to play on the same play. We were in throwing mode the entire second half and we still put 2 TE's and 2 Wr's out there.
That's on the people aquiring players.
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dude if anyone should be pissed it should be you. your boy was the shit last year. what's going on this year? strep throat....yeah, ok.
i know we're all guilty of it from time to time but one fan shouldn't dump on another's right to bitch when they want too. this shit has been going on way too long. we all believe in some bs and getted revved up for the new season only to see the team look worse than it did the previous year. what do you suggest???
And's it people like you that this organization is shit. 3 years and out, more like 3 games and constant jeering until fired. No one wants to come here because if they play a bad game they get booed, good coaches don't want to come here because they know they hardly have a few games before their heads get put on chopping blocks.
By the way who was available to hire as coach this year that we could have hired other than Shurmer. NO xxxxING BODY! And bitch about a guy who was too sick. Real classy, right up there with cheering when Anderson tore his knee, see my players don't want to come here comment. Over a hundred degree temp with a sickness that you would gladly use as an excuse to get out of work all week and apparently he's such a xxxxing pussy. xxxxing hypocrit.
Ya a shitty lose and I didn't see a lot of effort either, but enough of this two years and out bullshit. Stick with a FO, stick with a coach, find us an above average O-Line, and for the love of god get us a franchise QB because so far McCoy looks like a sad lost puppy who won't throw to a WR unless they are open by 10 yards.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
And's it people like you that this organization is shit. 3 years and out, more like 3 games and constant jeering until fired. No one wants to come here because if they play a bad game they get booed, good coaches don't want to come here because they know they hardly have a few games before their heads get put on chopping blocks.
By the way who was available to hire as coach this year that we could have hired other than Shurmer. NO xxxxING BODY! And bitch about a guy who was too sick. Real classy, right up there with cheering when Anderson tore his knee, see my players don't want to come here comment. Over a hundred degree temp with a sickness that you would gladly use as an excuse to get out of work all week and apparently he's such a xxxxing pussy. xxxxing hypocrit.
Ya a shitty lose and I didn't see a lot of effort either, but enough of this two years and out bullshit. Stick with a FO, stick with a coach, find us an above average O-Line, and for the love of god get us a franchise QB because so far McCoy looks like a sad lost puppy who won't throw to a WR unless they are open by 10 yards.
you're only agreeing with me chumly, albeit a year late. so when they fired mangini you were up in arms and bitching about how we have to stick with a coach and a system? yeah right. who's the hypocrite? didn't 'your boy' have a career year last year? oh but it's all right to pull the rug out from underneath him and the other players when mangini was fired? what an ass.
nobody's calling for anyone to be fired, slappy. slow down. don't start another cycle of roids while drinking it's not good for the liver. ask hillis, he knows.
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^^^^ zing!
well....im not calling for the firings yet...but i will unless shumur and jauron get their heads outta their asses.
besides, if your coach sux (TBD) as well as the people that hired him, why would you stick with him just for more of the same. that was the argument against mangini. if shurmur fails as a HC, sticking with him for the sake of continuity only means youre hanging onto a shitty coach with a shitty system to remain consistently shitty.
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^^^^ zing!
well....im not calling for the firings yet...but i will unless shumur and jauron get their heads outta their asses.
besides, if your coach sux (TBD) as well as the people that hired him, why would you stick with him just for more of the same. that was the argument against mangini. if shurmur fails as a HC, sticking with him for the sake of continuity only means youre hanging onto a shitty coach with a shitty system to remain consistently shitty.
^^^^ zing!
well....im not calling for the firings yet...but i will unless shumur and jauron get their heads outta their asses.
besides, if your coach sux (TBD) as well as the people that hired him, why would you stick with him just for more of the same. that was the argument against mangini. if shurmur fails as a HC, sticking with him for the sake of continuity only means youre hanging onto a shitty coach with a shitty system to remain consistently shitty.
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That's what I'm trying to say. If your going to run a certain system.............why don't they get THAT certain system players?
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I can't help but to notice the theme in this thread: Fire! Fire! Fire!
When the XXXX are we going to have some consistency on this team? Huh? WHen are we going to commit to a guy longer than 3-4 years?
This BS has to stop.
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I can't help but to notice the theme in this thread: Fire! Fire! Fire!
When the XXXX are we going to have some consistency on this team? Huh? WHen are we going to commit to a guy longer than 3-4 years?
This BS has to stop.
I can't help but to notice the theme in this thread: Fire! Fire! Fire!
When the XXXX are we going to have some consistency on this team? Huh? WHen are we going to commit to a guy longer than 3-4 years?
This BS has to stop.
dude show me anywhere in this thread where anyone said to fire shumur?? are you guys blind or just want to put words in people's mouths.
show me. pleeez. yeah exactly. only people that are saying the words fire shurmur are the ones saying to calm down and not say fire.
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