We Are The 53%
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Yeah. Sad thing is, there are things that we can do to help, but we're not going to do them. Not in an election year.
Like what in particular?
(Let me guess....)
WSS
Like what in particular?
(Let me guess....)
WSS
Infrastructure investments are a no brainer. Tax reform is a no brainer. Some aid to the states is a no brainer. Long term debt reduction is a no brainer. But none of this is going to happen. We're just going to sit here and pretend we can't do anything. Or we'll just do something small to say we did.
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The end of the Iraqi conflict is a start.
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Infrastructure investments are a no brainer. Tax reform is a no brainer. Some aid to the states is a no brainer. Long term debt reduction is a no brainer. But none of this is going to happen. We're just going to sit here and pretend we can't do anything. Or we'll just do something small to say we did. Heck
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Nice classy post, Heck.
Now the followup question:
Why didn't the pres you voted for... do anything about any of those during his two years with complete Dem party control of Congress?
Bush had Dems in Congress in charge, too. Could be I'm just having too much work on the farm goin on, but I see a trend. And it isn't pretty.
And...
Who on the national presidential scene, do you think WILL tackle these problems?
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Like what in particular?
(Let me guess....)
WSS
Infrastructure investments are a no brainer. Tax reform is a no brainer. Some aid to the states is a no brainer. Long term debt reduction is a no brainer. But none of this is going to happen. We're just going to sit here and pretend we can't do anything. Or we'll just do something small to say we did.
Infrastructure investments are a no brainer. Tax reform is a no brainer. Some aid to the states is a no brainer. Long term debt reduction is a no brainer. But none of this is going to happen. We're just going to sit here and pretend we can't do anything. Or we'll just do something small to say we did.
Well I guessed right. Pass this bill now.
And I'd say it'd make things look better in the short term.
Like novocaine in an injured knee or sawdust in the transmission.
Hey the bump only needs to last through the second week of November 2012.
WSS
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Infrastructure investments are a no brainer. Tax reform is a no brainer. Some aid to the states is a no brainer. Long term debt reduction is a no brainer. But none of this is going to happen. We're just going to sit here and pretend we can't do anything. Or we'll just do something small to say we did.
Well I guessed right. Pass this bill now.
And I'd say it'd make things look better in the short term.
Like novocaine in an injured knee or sawdust in the transmission.
Hey the bump only needs to last through the second week of November 2012.
WSS
Well I guessed right. Pass this bill now.
And I'd say it'd make things look better in the short term.
Like novocaine in an injured knee or sawdust in the transmission.
Hey the bump only needs to last through the second week of November 2012.
WSS
Yes, Steve. That's part of the point - to make things better in the short term. That's what you're trying to do. In order to help the economy recover faster. That's what Bush did in the last recession, back when Republicans believed in demand-side stimulus. But they're not being political here, only the people who are trying to help the economy recover. Got it.
You like to dismiss all policy as political in order to avoid arguing policy. This is a policy debate. I'm not arguing politics. If you disagree with the policy, you have to say why. And likening it to a novocaine shot doesn't really cut it.
Short term stimulus, long term debt reduction, tax reform. That's the game.
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short term insurmountable? debt wrecking havoc on the value of our dollar, and ruining our credit rating, via stupid political tax money dole outs.
Long term gov growth and intervention into our daily lives.
So much debt, that Obamao won't support legimate tax reform.
Just raise them.
That's his plan - it is what he learned in college in Alinksi classes.
And Cloward-Piven is now being admitted on the left... as having a huge influence
on what is going on.
Told ya. Still deny it ?
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Well I guessed right. Pass this bill now.
And I'd say it'd make things look better in the short term.
Like novocaine in an injured knee or sawdust in the transmission.
Hey the bump only needs to last through the second week of November 2012.
WSS
Yes, Steve. That's part of the point - to make things better in the short term. That's what you're trying to do. In order to help the economy recover faster. That's what Bush did in the last recession, back when Republicans believed in demand-side stimulus. But they're not being political here, only the people who are trying to help the economy recover. Got it.
You like to dismiss all policy as political in order to avoid arguing policy. This is a policy debate. I'm not arguing politics. If you disagree with the policy, you have to say why. And likening it to a novocaine shot doesn't really cut it.
Short term stimulus, long term debt reduction, tax reform. That's the game.
Yes, Steve. That's part of the point - to make things better in the short term. That's what you're trying to do. In order to help the economy recover faster. That's what Bush did in the last recession, back when Republicans believed in demand-side stimulus. But they're not being political here, only the people who are trying to help the economy recover. Got it.
You like to dismiss all policy as political in order to avoid arguing policy. This is a policy debate. I'm not arguing politics. If you disagree with the policy, you have to say why. And likening it to a novocaine shot doesn't really cut it.
Short term stimulus, long term debt reduction, tax reform. That's the game.
Seems like those two things are at odds.
Oh, right! That's because they are.
And of course it's political.
Otherwise your team would have done it two years ago with no hindrance and saved us all.
WSS
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Are you saying that short term stimulus and long term debt reduction are at odds? Really?
If I'm missing your point, please let me know.
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All these "stimuli" (as in, stimulating Dem supporters to benefit with $$$$ for their votes)...
is compounding our long term debt to horrific levels.
There IS NO long term debt reduction with this dirtbag president.
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Are you saying that short term stimulus and long term debt reduction are at odds? Really?
If I'm missing your point, please let me know.
Are you saying that short term stimulus and long term debt reduction are at odds? Really?
If I'm missing your point, please let me know.
Yes.
I could live with just about any painful cuts and extra taxes if I could be sure it went to reducing the debt.
I don't have any faith that that would ever be done.
I think that's a potential nightmare.
You don't I understand.
(Now....
Let me guess..._)
WSS
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Are you saying that short term stimulus and long term debt reduction are at odds? Really?
If I'm missing your point, please let me know.
Yes.
I could live with just about any painful cuts and extra taxes if I could be sure it went to reducing the debt.
I don't have any faith that that would ever be done.
I think that's a potential nightmare.
You don't I understand.
(Now....
Let me guess..._)
WSS
Yes.
I could live with just about any painful cuts and extra taxes if I could be sure it went to reducing the debt.
I don't have any faith that that would ever be done.
I think that's a potential nightmare.
You don't I understand.
(Now....
Let me guess..._)
WSS
I'm just wondering if you get that just about every major economist, left and right, is calling for some version of that right now - short term stimulus and long term debt reduction. That you think they're incompatible with one another is truly bizarre.
But this will take painful cuts and extra taxes, probably down the road when the economy is on sounder footing, so you will get your wish.
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Yes.
I could live with just about any painful cuts and extra taxes if I could be sure it went to reducing the debt.
I don't have any faith that that would ever be done.
I think that's a potential nightmare.
You don't I understand.
(Now....
Let me guess..._)
WSS
I'm just wondering if you get that just about every major economist, left and right, is calling for some version of that right now - short term stimulus and long term debt reduction. That you think they're incompatible with one another is truly bizarre.
But this will take painful cuts and extra taxes, probably down the road when the economy is on sounder footing, so you will get your wish.
I'm just wondering if you get that just about every major economist, left and right, is calling for some version of that right now - short term stimulus and long term debt reduction. That you think they're incompatible with one another is truly bizarre.
But this will take painful cuts and extra taxes, probably down the road when the economy is on sounder footing, so you will get your wish.
My wish?
Heh.
Actually you're assuming the economy will bounce back.
I hope so but I'm afraid this may be the new normal.
And you're correct. No one is going to lean in and take one for the team.
WSS
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That's my wish, too.
I just want some acknowledgment that you get what short term stimulus and long term debt reduction entails, and how the two things are not at odds. Do you get that?
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Heck translation:
"I wish I could persuade Steve to agree with me on stuff, then I might
know how to sway independents on my job. It's what I do..."sniff" "
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Man those tea bagger scum sure do whine around a lot about having to pay taxes that are still far below historical levels.
"whaaaaaaaaaaaaa I have to pay taxes and the family down the street doesn't just because their dad lost his job last year due to the econmy which was caused by corporate greed and corruption. Nevermind that they are stuggling to even buy food for their kids and they still pay a higher percentage of their income to the IRS than I do. I'll just sit here and ignore the fact that tax cuts for corporations won't add any jobs to the economy. I'm to greedy to realize that no one is going to hire someone to do a job that doesn't need done."
whiney spoiled brats.
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That's my wish, too.
I just want some acknowledgment that you get what short term stimulus and long term debt reduction entails, and how the two things are not at odds. Do you get that?
That's my wish, too.
I just want some acknowledgment that you get what short term stimulus and long term debt reduction entails, and how the two things are not at odds. Do you get that?
No.
you can borrow money and live a lot better and pay it all back when the economy turns around.
Of course by then you owe a helluva lot more and what happens if the economy doesn't turn around like you'd hoped? Just like your little buddies protesting wall street. So, you borrowed a lot of money for a law degree hoping there'd be a crying need for 20,000,000 more lawyers today.
Wss
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That's not how it works. And that's not even addressing the difference between short term stimulus and long term debt reduction. Want to try again?
What's an example of short-term stimulus? What's an example of long-term debt reduction? They're two different things.
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Heck translation:
"? But Steve, I still desperately want to avoid talking about what a disaster my precious president is, so let's
argue with some minor issue that I can blow up into a mountain and be boring and stupid as hell"
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That's not how it works. And that's not even addressing the difference between short term stimulus and long term debt reduction. Want to try again?
What's an example of short-term stimulus? What's an example of long-term debt reduction? They're two different things.
That's not how it works. And that's not even addressing the difference between short term stimulus and long term debt reduction. Want to try again?
What's an example of short-term stimulus? What's an example of long-term debt reduction? They're two different things.
Sorry Heck but that's exactly how it works.
You try 1 old buddy.
What's the difference between borrowing money and paying it back?
WSS
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Aye aye aye.
Do you not see the difference between temporary aid to the states to prevent teachers and cops from being laid off and changing the benefit formula for Social Security to lower long term costs of the program? That'd be one example of a short term stimulus program vs. long term debt reduction. And those two are not at odds with each other.
And I could list another 25 examples.
Even you know this stuff. You're not that dense.
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