Let's Get Ready To Rumble! Colt Mccoy Vs. Robert Griffin Iii
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i don't know where everyone go the idea that holmgren wants a running qb. where in his history as GM or HC did he ever have a running qb? sure favre could scramble out of the pocket to throw the ball but mccoy does that.
i know holmgren is the prez and not the GM but you know he's got more than 50% say in anything QB.
don't get it.
i don't know where everyone go the idea that holmgren wants a running qb. where in his history as GM or HC did he ever have a running qb? sure favre could scramble out of the pocket to throw the ball but mccoy does that.
i know holmgren is the prez and not the GM but you know he's got more than 50% say in anything QB.
don't get it.
Holmgren tutored Steve Young who was a pretty fair running QB in the WCO.
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yeah he was, but i can't think of any other. i'm sure holmgren had his say on drafting him as well.
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yeah he was, but i can't think of any other. i'm sure holmgren had his say on drafting him as well.
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baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
He only played 3 games in that 3-9 year. I don't know for sure but I assume he got a medical red-shirt that year which would make him a junior. When he was at the helm he made Baylor into a actual threat. He's made an impact ever since he stepped foot on Baylor's campus. The record might not show it but again, this is Baylor we're talking about. Its similar to saying Hillis didn't make an impact for the Browns in 2010 because our record was 5-11.
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Here's some info on Matt Flynn going to Washington which would make it more likely Cleveland lands RG3
Citing sources inside the organization, ESPN 980 Washington's Chris Russell reports the Redskins are "very interested" in free agent QB Matt Flynn.
ESPN's Mel Kiper told reporters earlier in the day that "grapevine" talk suggested the Redskins didn't have a high opinion of Flynn. Russell knows "for sure," though, that coach Mike Shanahan and OC Kyle Shanahan had a "detailed conversation" two weeks ago on Flynn's six-touchdown, 480-yard performance against the Lions in the regular season finale. Whereas Charley Casserly suggested Flynn wouldn't be a good fit for the Redskins offense, one team source tells Russell the two systems are "almost the same."
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Zombo said:
A guy throws for 4,300 yards and he's a running QB?
Zombo
Graham Harrell threw for more than 4,500 yards three straight seasons, and couldn't crack our starting roster. What makes RG3 any different, honestly?
Contrary to the point I'm trying to make, look for Graham Harrell to be the next big free agent in 3 years. With Matt Flynn out of the picture, and Green Bay maybe possibly the closest thing to a "system" offense in the NFL, Harrell is in prime position.
Which begs the question, is Matt Flynn just a system QB?
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It does appear so he is a Junior, i was just pointing out how you hate on him when you dont know if he is a Senior but your try to use that agasnt him when hes really not...
sigh...thats the difference between an academic senior and an athletic junior...
i suppose you know about his torn ACL his 2nd year? and that was the reason he redshirted? suppose i should use the athletic designation so i dont have to reply to frail little arguments like this.
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Zombo said:
A guy throws for 4,300 yards and he's a running QB?
Zombo
Graham Harrell threw for more than 4,500 yards three straight seasons, and couldn't crack our starting roster. What makes RG3 any different, honestly?
Contrary to the point I'm trying to make, look for Graham Harrell to be the next big free agent in 3 years. With Matt Flynn out of the picture, and Green Bay maybe possibly the closest thing to a "system" offense in the NFL, Harrell is in prime position.
Which begs the question, is Matt Flynn just a system QB?
Graham Harrell threw for more than 4,500 yards three straight seasons, and couldn't crack our starting roster. What makes RG3 any different, honestly?
Contrary to the point I'm trying to make, look for Graham Harrell to be the next big free agent in 3 years. With Matt Flynn out of the picture, and Green Bay maybe possibly the closest thing to a "system" offense in the NFL, Harrell is in prime position.
Which begs the question, is Matt Flynn just a system QB?
The difference is huge. Harrell was no where near and mobile and dangerous with his feet, and more importantly Harrell's arm strength makes McCoy look like the strong man competition guys throwing kegs 100 feet into the air. The guy had drop throwing anything accurate past 10 yards, where as RGIII flixs accurate 50+ yard bombs down field with ease.
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How can Colt and RGIII be the same guy? I'm pretty sure Colt had more talent around him then RGIII did.
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I'm pretty sure nobody was climbing over people to race to the booth to select Jordan Shipley with the #22 overall draft pick...
The point is "I" feel they are the same guy. I like Colt, our all pro Joe Thomas likes Colt and believes in him, so do I. The kid hasn't had a fair shake. Yes, it's a plan to draft RG3 and let him sit behind Colt for another year so that Colt gets his fair shot but then you've sacrificed a legit weapon skipping out on the #4 overall weapon. If you would give Colt a playmaker at #4 like a Richardson(run Hillis at FB) and a player like Wright at 22. Man, we'd have ourselves a team..
Colt
Richardson - Fast, powerful, elusive back
Hillis - Powerful, punishing, elusively quick and agile big back
Cameron - Fast, big bodied pass catching TE with a great verticle
Moore - Big sure handed TE (Watson could split time with Moore)
Wright - A burner(supposedly, though we'll have to confirm it at the combine)
Little - A big target with YAC potential
Cribbs - A mix of both Wright and Little. Could be perfect in the slot flanked by the #1 and 2 WRs.
Colt could flourish with this kind of an offensive roster. We need players that will be healthy, be reliable on the field, catch the ball when it comes. We had 30+ DROPS! What are Colts stats with decent YAC on those catches? How many drives are extended if we make those grabs? How many more yard or touchdowns does Colt churn out if our players execute?... if the line protects?? C'mon man, RG3 would be AWESOME if we never had Colt. But we have a Franchise QB, and I'm tired of hearing that Colt can't do it. Hell, I call bullshit on that. He nearly beat NE, NO, and NY in a three week span last year...we our runningback wasn't Obgyn... Give Colt a couple weapons and I swear you'll see that we have our guy in Colt McCoy.
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You think the overall talent on Baylor around RGIII was the same as the overall talent around Colt on Texas? TEXAS!
I'm not here to debate what we should do with our pick. I'm just saying RGIII and Colt are clearly not the same player.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You think the overall talent on Baylor around RGIII was the same as the overall talent around Colt on Texas? TEXAS!
I'm not here to debate what we should do with our pick. I'm just saying RGIII and Colt are clearly not the same player.
You think the overall talent on Baylor around RGIII was the same as the overall talent around Colt on Texas? TEXAS!
I'm not here to debate what we should do with our pick. I'm just saying RGIII and Colt are clearly not the same player.
You're right.
One was an established winner at every level.
The other has one year of stats to his name.
They both suck.
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Zombo said:
Graham Harrell? Really? He's not one fifth the athlete Griffin is, Harrell wasn't even considered much of a pro prospect at all.
Zombo
Bernie Kosar wasn't much of an athlete either.
Akili Smith was.
Pick what side of him you want to endorse. When someone brings up the fact that he can run, you quote his passing numbers and say he's a passer. When I bring up someone with better numbers, you bring up the fact he can run.
We get it, you like RG3. I liked him too, back when he was known as Troy Smith.
He could turn out to be a fantastic player, sure. But I can guarantee nobody would be considering him with either of our first round picks if the Newton didn't have the success that he had last season. And that's why I'm against us taking him.
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RGIII is an underrated passer though. A lot of people see a black QB that can run and want to say "Oh, he must only be able to run"
RGIII and Newton are definitely not the same player. If people want to paint over all running QBs like that then Denard has a shot at the top pick, right? What is he wins the Heisman? Maybe they'll think he's mini Newton? ???
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RGIII is an underrated passer though. A lot of people see a black QB that can run and want to say "Oh, he must only be able to run"
RGIII and Newton are definitely not the same player. If people want to paint over all running QBs like that then Denard has a shot at the top pick, right? What is he wins the Heisman? Maybe they'll think he's mini Newton? ???
RGIII is an underrated passer though. A lot of people see a black QB that can run and want to say "Oh, he must only be able to run"
RGIII and Newton are definitely not the same player. If people want to paint over all running QBs like that then Denard has a shot at the top pick, right? What is he wins the Heisman? Maybe they'll think he's mini Newton? ???
I don't see that much of a difference between Denard and RG3, honestly.
The only difference is that Baylor played against much worse defenses, and that RG3 has a cannon for an arm. I've yet to see him throw to someone who wasn't wide open.
You're right, RG3 and Cam are not the same player. In college, Cam was asked to play against top of the line defenses and make all the sorts of NFL throws you'd like to see in a college player. RG3, on the other hand, played against only two top 50 defenses last season. He did, however, play against 8 defenses ranked in the bottom 30, including the worst defense in the FBS in Kansas. Against those teams, he had wide open receivers and more than ample enough time. In his "highlight reels", he's never shown throwing to a receiver who the defense even thought about covering.
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