Holmgren's Promise
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He didnt promise anything. He just wants the team to do better and thinks they should...and I dont blame him one iota.
He didnt promise anything. He just wants the team to do better and thinks they should...and I dont blame him one iota.
Sorry Nick....he pretty much did.
Good. We better be, if not, this bunch needs to leave. In 3 years I could win 6-7 games, be it at Coach, GM, or President.
This is a game. It doesn't take a friggen genius to get it done.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
All he did was tell season ticket holders what they wanted to hear.
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I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
βThe Wait Is Over, The Browns Will Be In The Playoffs This Year!" -
This is just an outsider's opinion, but here goes:
Pitts 2x - Probably win one of these. Pittsburgh is old and not going to be as good this year.
Balt 2x - Probably lose both. Sorry.
Cincy 2x - Probably split. Can probably sneak a win in here.
Buff - L
dall - W
NYG - L
Wash - L
Philly - W
Indy - W
KC - L
Den - W if they don't get Manning
SD - W
OAK - W
Philthy and Dallass are always overhyped. With a good running game you could sneak in wins there. Indy is going to be bad for at least two years. Denver is a W if they don't land Manning. SD is a surprise win, I just don't see much in them this year, they're losing a lot of pieces. Oakland isn't going to be good this year. Al Davis' last year cost his team dearly.
That would put the Browns at 8-8
This is just an outsider's opinion, but here goes:
Pitts 2x - Probably win one of these. Pittsburgh is old and not going to be as good this year.
Balt 2x - Probably lose both. Sorry.
Cincy 2x - Probably split. Can probably sneak a win in here.
Buff - L
dall - W
NYG - L
Wash - L
Philly - W
Indy - W
KC - L
Den - W if they don't get Manning
SD - W
OAK - W
Philthy and Dallass are always overhyped. With a good running game you could sneak in wins there. Indy is going to be bad for at least two years. Denver is a W if they don't land Manning. SD is a surprise win, I just don't see much in them this year, they're losing a lot of pieces. Oakland isn't going to be good this year. Al Davis' last year cost his team dearly.
That would put the Browns at 8-8
After spending so much time here, I thought you would join the family ! Sheesh ... friggin outsiders ! I dont know how well you know the Browns, but based on our strength the only time that we can mark as a win is Indy and the Giants. All other teams are already much better than us or have become better than us. Indy is the only team to lose a lot of players that added value. We will win against the Giants because for some friggin reason every year for the past 4 years we have been winning against the superbowl winners. I dont have a logical explanation for why we won but we did.
Indy have l
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Pitts 2x -Cleveland wins one of these
Balt 2x -Cleveland wins one of these
Cincy 2x -Certainly we win one maybe both of these
Buff -Cleveland
dall -Close one but Cleveland wins this one
NYG -When was the last time Cleveland lost to the defending SB Champs? Cleveland
Wash -Ahahaha Cleveland stomps Washington and Taylor flattens RG3
Philly -Cleveland
Indy -Easily Cleveland
KC -Cleveland
Den -Cleveland
SD -Wow, Cleveland
OAK -Ahahaahahaaa Cleveland again... Wow, what this Cleveland @ 14-2 at the most 10-6 at minimum- watch.
Pitts 2x -Cleveland wins one of these-Dreaming
Balt 2x -Cleveland wins one of these-Dreaming
Cincy 2x -Certainly we win one maybe both of these- Possible
Buff -Cleveland--- LOSS
dall -Close one but Cleveland wins this one--- LOSS
NYG -When was the last time Cleveland lost to the defending SB Champs? Cleveland LOSS
Wash -Ahahaha Cleveland stomps Washington and Taylor flattens RG3 LOSSSSSS
Philly -Cleveland LOSSSSS
Indy -Easily Cleveland You got one Right here
KC -Cleveland omg a streak
Den -Cleveland ---- LOSSS
SD -Wow, Cleveland---- LOSSSSS
OAK -Ahahaahahaaa Cleveland again... Wow, what this Cleveland @ 14-2 at the most 10-6 at minimum- watch. Possible win
Fixt for you. 4-12
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All he did was tell season ticket holders what they wanted to hear.
All he did was tell season ticket holders what they wanted to hear.
Bingo.
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I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
Yeah I'm not going to freak out until after I see how the draft goes. Definitely need to see us draft some playmakers.
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He didnt promise anything. He just wants the team to do better and thinks they should...and I dont blame him one iota.
Sorry Nick....he pretty much did.
Good. We better be, if not, this bunch needs to leave. In 3 years I could win 6-7 games, be it at Coach, GM, or President.
This is a game. It doesn't take a friggen genius to get it done.
Sorry Nick....he pretty much did.
Good. We better be, if not, this bunch needs to leave. In 3 years I could win 6-7 games, be it at Coach, GM, or President.
This is a game. It doesn't take a friggen genius to get it done.
Show Me where he said he promised anything.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I am keeping the faith.
Love our D-line.
Starters at LB are solid.
I think we have gotten lucky with some of secondary guys we brought in. Some nice surprises to go with studs Haden and Ward.
Offensively, we need a QB, a RB, a RT and a WR.
Colt is worst case scenario at QB and he can be decent.
If we get a guy you can count on to show up, that is an upgrade at RB
Draft Blackmon and a right tackle, trade for Tate and let's play ball.
Z
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I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
Wouldn't get a 2nd rounder to trade down to 6. We could only get a 2 or 3 if we went down to 7 or farther. This is why I'm not sold on trading down this time when Blackmon will probably be there at 4 and WR is our biggest need.
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What he meant is 4-12 to 6-10 isn't an improvement, because the draft pick will be much lower. Meaning when they try to trade it away for more 2014 picks, they will get far less.
Holmgren is shooting for an 1 or 2 win season, get the first pick in 2013 and trade that away for more. Then in 2014, trade all those away and get more for '15. Continuing this cycle until 2020 when we have every pick in the first round. Then disperse those among the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals so we can continue getting embarrassed and stay at the bottom of the division.
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With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
We're not taking Richardson.
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With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
We're not taking Kalil either... thats a trade down 100% in that situation
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Pitts 2x
Balt 2x
Cincy 2x
Buff
dall
NYG
Wash
Philly
Indy
KC
Den
SD
OAK
You tell me where you see 7-9 wins against that schedule.. I could see us being 2-14 very easily, this could be a very lloongg year, will make the drives to Cleveland very long this winter.
Pitts 2x
Balt 2x
Cincy 2x
Buff
dall
NYG
Wash
Philly
Indy
KC
Den
SD
OAK
You tell me where you see 7-9 wins against that schedule.. I could see us being 2-14 very easily, this could be a very lloongg year, will make the drives to Cleveland very long this winter.
3-3 in our division plus Buf, Dal, Wash, Indy, KC, Den and Oak. 10-6 (9-7 if Denver signs Manning)
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With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
^ Agree... no TR.
With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize.
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
No TR...
No RT in Rnd 1... ever.
And please get over your Minni-crush. He ain't his Daddy.
Zombo said:
I am keeping the faith.Love our D-line.
Starters at LB are solid.
I think we have gotten lucky with some of secondary guys we brought in. Some nice surprises to go with studs Haden and Ward.
I like the depth of the emerging D-line, there's definitely a rotation emerging to keep legs fresh, but feel that we need an impact DE opposite Sheard. I still think Ingram's the guy.
Really not feeling our LB crew at all. Still not seeing a 4-3 crew there. Can't get past the belief that DQ needs to move out of the middle, if we're ever to stop the run. However, also not seeing a replacement at MLB on the roster and can't quite convince myself to pull the trigger on Kuechly in Rnd 1. Hightower might be there early in Rnd 2, but I doubt it... and I'm not sold on him either. Kendricks (Cal) is an intriguing 2nd Rnd possibility.
DB-wise... there's promise as there has been. And, yes, due to injury some players got time and developed, e.g., Young, but we're thin and long on promise. And yes, that includes our "studs". Speaking of thin, that's the DB class of 2012. Dre' Kirkpatrick is a must pick IMO.
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You never know what will happen during a season. Who would have predicted how we did in 2007? You never know what will happen.
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Holmgren is a pathetic old man taking money to sit on his butt and make excuses. His glory days are long gone and he's living on his past reputation.
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