Holmgren's Promise
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He didnt promise anything. He just wants the team to do better and thinks they should...and I dont blame him one iota.
Sorry Nick....he pretty much did.
Good. We better be, if not, this bunch needs to leave. In 3 years I could win 6-7 games, be it at Coach, GM, or President.
This is a game. It doesn't take a friggen genius to get it done.
Sorry Nick....he pretty much did.
Good. We better be, if not, this bunch needs to leave. In 3 years I could win 6-7 games, be it at Coach, GM, or President.
This is a game. It doesn't take a friggen genius to get it done.
Show Me where he said he promised anything.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I am keeping the faith.
Love our D-line.
Starters at LB are solid.
I think we have gotten lucky with some of secondary guys we brought in. Some nice surprises to go with studs Haden and Ward.
Offensively, we need a QB, a RB, a RT and a WR.
Colt is worst case scenario at QB and he can be decent.
If we get a guy you can count on to show up, that is an upgrade at RB
Draft Blackmon and a right tackle, trade for Tate and let's play ball.
Z
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I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
Wouldn't get a 2nd rounder to trade down to 6. We could only get a 2 or 3 if we went down to 7 or farther. This is why I'm not sold on trading down this time when Blackmon will probably be there at 4 and WR is our biggest need.
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What he meant is 4-12 to 6-10 isn't an improvement, because the draft pick will be much lower. Meaning when they try to trade it away for more 2014 picks, they will get far less.
Holmgren is shooting for an 1 or 2 win season, get the first pick in 2013 and trade that away for more. Then in 2014, trade all those away and get more for '15. Continuing this cycle until 2020 when we have every pick in the first round. Then disperse those among the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals so we can continue getting embarrassed and stay at the bottom of the division.
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With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
We're not taking Richardson.
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With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
We're not taking Kalil either... thats a trade down 100% in that situation
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Pitts 2x
Balt 2x
Cincy 2x
Buff
dall
NYG
Wash
Philly
Indy
KC
Den
SD
OAK
You tell me where you see 7-9 wins against that schedule.. I could see us being 2-14 very easily, this could be a very lloongg year, will make the drives to Cleveland very long this winter.
Pitts 2x
Balt 2x
Cincy 2x
Buff
dall
NYG
Wash
Philly
Indy
KC
Den
SD
OAK
You tell me where you see 7-9 wins against that schedule.. I could see us being 2-14 very easily, this could be a very lloongg year, will make the drives to Cleveland very long this winter.
3-3 in our division plus Buf, Dal, Wash, Indy, KC, Den and Oak. 10-6 (9-7 if Denver signs Manning)
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With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.
At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!
^ Agree... no TR.
With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize.
Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).
Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.
No TR...
No RT in Rnd 1... ever.
And please get over your Minni-crush. He ain't his Daddy.
Zombo said:
I am keeping the faith.Love our D-line.
Starters at LB are solid.
I think we have gotten lucky with some of secondary guys we brought in. Some nice surprises to go with studs Haden and Ward.
I like the depth of the emerging D-line, there's definitely a rotation emerging to keep legs fresh, but feel that we need an impact DE opposite Sheard. I still think Ingram's the guy.
Really not feeling our LB crew at all. Still not seeing a 4-3 crew there. Can't get past the belief that DQ needs to move out of the middle, if we're ever to stop the run. However, also not seeing a replacement at MLB on the roster and can't quite convince myself to pull the trigger on Kuechly in Rnd 1. Hightower might be there early in Rnd 2, but I doubt it... and I'm not sold on him either. Kendricks (Cal) is an intriguing 2nd Rnd possibility.
DB-wise... there's promise as there has been. And, yes, due to injury some players got time and developed, e.g., Young, but we're thin and long on promise. And yes, that includes our "studs". Speaking of thin, that's the DB class of 2012. Dre' Kirkpatrick is a must pick IMO.
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You never know what will happen during a season. Who would have predicted how we did in 2007? You never know what will happen.
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Holmgren is a pathetic old man taking money to sit on his butt and make excuses. His glory days are long gone and he's living on his past reputation.
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Holmgren is a pathetic old man taking money to sit on his butt and make excuses. His glory days are long gone and he's living on his past reputation.
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I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.
If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.
Wouldn't get a 2nd rounder to trade down to 6. We could only get a 2 or 3 if we went down to 7 or farther. This is why I'm not sold on trading down this time when Blackmon will probably be there at 4 and WR is our biggest need.
I read a lot of Rams news... The Rams won't trade up. They like Richardson and Claiborne enough, if not more than Blackmon, honestly.
In fact, its more likely they trade down because one of those two (or Blackmon) will garner interest.
My 2 cents.
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Holmgren is a pathetic old man taking money to sit on his butt and make excuses. His glory days are long gone and he's living on his past reputation.
Holmgren is a pathetic old man taking money to sit on his butt and make excuses. His glory days are long gone and he's living on his past reputation.
He definitely got schooled by Snead (Rams GM). Rams set a deadline and if Holmgren would have made his offer sooner RG3 would be in Cleveland. We wanted to trade with Cleveland... they had the more attractive offer if you factor in the 2012 picks.
The other thing about Holmgren; his record as a coach is impressive. His record as a GM... 40-56.
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Pitts 2x 1 wins
Balt 2x 0 wins
Cincy 2x 1 win
Buff LOSS
dall LOSS
NYG WIN
Wash WIN
Philly WIN
Indy WIN
KC LOSS
Den LOSS
SD WIN
OAK WIN
8 WINS not bad
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Pitts 2x 1 wins
Balt 2x 0 wins
Cincy 2x 1 win
Buff LOSS
dall LOSS
NYG WIN
Wash WIN
Philly WIN
Indy WIN
KC LOSS
Den LOSS
SD WIN
OAK WIN
8 WINS not bad
Pitts 2x 1 wins
Balt 2x 0 wins
Cincy 2x 1 win
Buff LOSS
dall LOSS
NYG WIN
Wash WIN
Philly WIN
Indy WIN
KC LOSS
Den LOSS
SD WIN
OAK WIN
8 WINS not bad
Those New York Giants who just won the super bowl?
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even if heckert has one hell of a draft, i'm seeing the same 4 and 12.
although i've been saying all along to draft claiborne at 4 blackmon may be the move. got a sense with the free agents we DID sign that offense will be this year's philosophy of the draft.
there's something about claiborne though. if he's drafted you might as well scratch cribbs from the special teams.
take a look at these stats for claiborne:
Morris Claiborne Bio
Courtesy: LSUsports.net (@LSUsports)
Release: 02/15/2012
2011 Thorpe Award Recipient
2011 Consensus First-Team All-America (AFCA Coaches', AP, FWAA, Sporting News, Walter Camp, ESPN.com, Rivals.com, CBSsports.com, FoxSportsNext.com, SI.com)
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2011 First-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)
2011 Nagurski Award Finalist
2011 Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Week (vs. Miss. State)
2010 Second-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)
CAREER
Capped his career as one of the top cornerbacks in school history ... Named the recipient of the prestigious Jim Thorpe Award in 2011 as the nation's top defensive back ... Became the second straight LSU player to earn the award, following Patrick Peterson who claimed the honor in 2010 ... Consensus All-America in 2011 after leading Tigers to 13-1 record, the SEC title and a spot in the national championship game ... Played in 33 games, starting 26 times ... Finished career with 95 tackles, 12 pass breakups and 11 interceptions ... Led the nation in interception return yardage in 2011 with 173 ... Tied for sixth in school history in career interceptions (11) and is second in interception return yards (274) ... Opted to forgo his senior season and made himself eligible for the 2012 NFL Draft following his junior season.
JUNIOR SEASON (2011)
Started all 14 games for the Tigers ... Registered 51 tackles, six pass breakups and six interceptions ... Led the nation in interception return yardage with 173 ... Ranked fifth in the SEC in kickoff returns with a 25.1 average ... Scored two TDs in 2011 ... Returned a kickoff 99 yards for a score against West Virginia and then returned an interception 45 yards for a touchdown against Georgia in the SEC Championship Game ... Returned an interception 89 yards against Tennessee, which ranked as the third-longest in school history ... The 89-yard return was the longest non-scoring return in school history ... Named the Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Week following a 2-interception, 1-pass breakup game in win over Mississippi State ... Had six tackles in season-opening win over Oregon in the Cowboys Classic in Arlington, Texas ... Had six tackles, including a tackle for a 1-yard loss, in week 2 against Northwestern State ... Picked off a pass against Arkansas ... In first game against Alabama, returned an interception 33 yards.
not too shabby.
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Show Me where he said he promised anything.
I said pretty much did. No, he never said he promised more wins.
This is what he said. I pulled the quote from the main site. You can find it in the transcript of the Thursday PC with the season ticket holders. The blurb is titled, Holmgren: Now is the time.
“Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn’t good enough and that’s been conveyed,” Holmgren said. “I believe we are going to be better than that. We’re going to be a lot better than that.”
Sorry man, he set the bar.
I agree with him, we do need to be better than 6-10.
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Show Me where he said he promised anything.
I said pretty much did. No, he never said he promised more wins.
This is what he said. I pulled the quote from the main site. You can find it in the transcript of the Thursday PC with the season ticket holders. The blurb is titled, Holmgren: Now is the time.
“Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn’t good enough and that’s been conveyed,” Holmgren said. “I believe we are going to be better than that. We’re going to be a lot better than that.”
Sorry man, he set the bar.
I agree with him, we do need to be better than 6-10.
I said pretty much did. No, he never said he promised more wins.
This is what he said. I pulled the quote from the main site. You can find it in the transcript of the Thursday PC with the season ticket holders. The blurb is titled, Holmgren: Now is the time.
Sorry man, he set the bar.
I agree with him, we do need to be better than 6-10.
I agree with him too,but he didnt guarantee anything...MH isnt dumb.
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