First I'm Going To Get Sick
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so there are crazy people in the world killing children and you want to take away my weapon and essentially my only way of defending myself? GENIUS
Are you even reading this conversation?
Are you even reading this conversation?
of course, i was just surfing twitter and had to vent so i popped over here, the trending topics on twitter right now are all "gun control", #nra
kinda scary, they use these situations as an opportunity to attack our constitutional rights, of course its a tragedy but gun control just is not the answer, i wasn't addressing this message board so much as i was venting
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Are you even reading this conversation?
of course, i was just surfing twitter and had to vent so i popped over here, the trending topics on twitter right now are all "gun control", #nra
kinda scary, they use these situations as an opportunity to attack our constitutional rights, of course its a tragedy but gun control just is not the answer, i wasn't addressing this message board so much as i was venting
of course, i was just surfing twitter and had to vent so i popped over here, the trending topics on twitter right now are all "gun control", #nra
kinda scary, they use these situations as an opportunity to attack our constitutional rights, of course its a tragedy but gun control just is not the answer, i wasn't addressing this message board so much as i was venting
Ah. Never mind then.
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This poor asshole had the same name, and now his life is kinda fucked.
Also, a big fucking lol at people blaming it on desensitization. I heard Fox News and MSNBC already blamed video games.
Are you kidding me, vapor? You are so naive. So naive. You don't think growing up watching the hills have eyes and playing halo desensitizes you to the realitys of death? I think ill possibly believe Ted Bundy's last thoughts on it over know it all 20 year old college kid, vaportrail.
Are you kidding me, vapor? You are so naive. So naive. You don't think growing up watching the hills have eyes and playing halo desensitizes you to the realitys of death? I think ill possibly believe Ted Bundy's last thoughts on it over know it all 20 year old college kid, vaportrail.
Are you stupid? You really think blaming violence on television and video games is going to get us in a better place? Sorry bud, the focus shouldn't be on those things. Hell, the focus shouldn't even be on guns. The country needs to rethink how we look at mental health.
Apparently, being a serial killer with above-average intelligence makes your pants tight. But hey, keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm younger than you.
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i live on violent video games and movies, i spend a great deal of my time playing/watching violence, yet i have never had any thoughts of commiting acts of violence and the thought of enacting force against another person goes against everything i stand for
so am i just an exception? ... ... no im in the majority
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This poor asshole had the same name, and now his life is kinda fucked.
Also, a big fucking lol at people blaming it on desensitization. I heard Fox News and MSNBC already blamed video games.
Are you kidding me, vapor? You are so naive. So naive. You don't think growing up watching the hills have eyes and playing halo desensitizes you to the realitys of death? I think ill possibly believe Ted Bundy's last thoughts on it over know it all 20 year old college kid, vaportrail.
You boys don't have children so I don't expect you to understand.
Are you kidding me, vapor? You are so naive. So naive.... I think ill possibly believe Ted Bundy's last thoughts on it over know it all 20 year old college kid, vaportrail.
And that is this board summed up Vapor. You don't know shit cuz you're younger than them. Also, there isn't anyone older than them that agree with whatever we might have to say...
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You're the one who's a naive know it all. Your opinion is of no consequence to me, because I so often find myself at the farthest possible position from you.
You should read Bundy's last interview. It's not that the porn and violence made him a monster but he claims it was the driving influence that fostered his monsterdom and helped form his violent fantasies. He had no reason to lie he was only hours from inevitable death. According to him all the killers he knew in jail had one common link. Addiction to violent media and porn. And his words seem eerily true today.
Your arguement that "well I like it and I don't want to kill anyone" is invalid. You may be a more well developed person than Adam Lanza or Ted Bundy.
There's obviously many who are not.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
You boys don't have children so I don't expect you to understand.
Are you kidding me, vapor? You are so naive. So naive.... I think ill possibly believe Ted Bundy's last thoughts on it over know it all 20 year old college kid, vaportrail.
And that is this board summed up Vapor. You don't know shit cuz you're younger than them. Also, there isn't anyone older than them that agree with whatever we might have to say...
And that is this board summed up Vapor. You don't know shit cuz you're younger than them. Also, there isn't anyone older than them that agree with whatever we might have to say...
Why don't you tell me what you have to say then woody? And exactly what do you have to base it on? I can base what I said on the last testement of a prolific psycho killer who knows exactly why he killed people. What can you base your arguements on?
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Blaming this on video games or violence in the media is pretty dumb though. I've grown up killing people in my TV, and I'm fine. I beat hookers to death in GTA at like age 12, and I'm fine.
Violence in the media didn't cause this person to do what they did. Clearly something was messed up in their head to begin with.
If you really wanna blame violence in the media on these shootings then you might as well blame casinos and lotto tickets for people getting addicted to gambling. Cuz clearly it has nothing to do with the person and everything to do with the casino. No more Horseshoe downtown and no more revenue across the country...
Also to whomever said this isn't the time to discuss gun control. When is? Just wondering.
Edit: Actually we should probably make sure we have all of the info first. But still that means pretty soon
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And that is this board summed up Vapor. You don't know shit cuz you're younger than them. Also, there isn't anyone older than them that agree with whatever we might have to say...
Why don't you tell me what you have to say then woody? And exactly what do you have to base it on? I can base what I said on the last testement of a prolific psycho killer who knows exactly why he killed people. What can you base your arguements on?
Why don't you tell me what you have to say then woody? And exactly what do you have to base it on? I can base what I said on the last testement of a prolific psycho killer who knows exactly why he killed people. What can you base your arguements on?
i think he was agreeing with you man, saying that this board asserts that age trumps all
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You're the one who's a naive know it all. Your opinion is of no consequence to me, because I so often find myself at the farthest possible position from you.
You should read Bundy's last interview. It's not that the porn and violence made him a monster but he claims it was the driving influence that fostered his monsterdom and helped form his violent fantasies. He had no reason to lie he was only hours from inevitable death. According to him all the killers he knew in jail had one common link. Addiction to violent media and porn. And his words seem eerily true today.
Your arguement that "well I like it and I don't want to kill anyone" is invalid. You may be a more well developed person than Adam Lanza or Ted Bundy.
There's obviously many who are not.
You're the one who's a naive know it all. Your opinion is of no consequence to me, because I so often find myself at the farthest possible position from you.
You should read Bundy's last interview. It's not that the porn and violence made him a monster but he claims it was the driving influence that fostered his monsterdom and helped form his violent fantasies. He had no reason to lie he was only hours from inevitable death. According to him all the killers he knew in jail had one common link. Addiction to violent media and porn. And his words seem eerily true today.
Your arguement that "well I like it and I don't want to kill anyone" is invalid. You may be a more well developed person than Adam Lanza or Ted Bundy.
There's obviously many who are not.
Bundy is the exact reason why mental health issues need to be the focus. You don't kill people because you get bored with Jean Claude van Damme movies and porn. You kill people because you lack the self-control it takes for moderation. That's clearly a mental health problem.
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Blaming this on video games or violence in the media is pretty dumb though. I've grown up killing people in my TV, and I'm fine. I beat hookers to death in GTA at like age 12, and I'm fine.
Violence in the media didn't cause this person to do what they did. Clearly something was messed up in their head to begin with.
If you really wanna blame violence in the media on these shootings then you might as well blame casinos and lotto tickets for people getting addicted to gambling. Cuz clearly it has nothing to do with the person and everything to do with the casino. No more Horseshoe downtown and no more revenue across the country...
Also to whomever said this isn't the time to discuss gun control. When is? Just wondering.
Edit: Actually we should probably make sure we have all of the info first. But still that means pretty soon
Blaming this on video games or violence in the media is pretty dumb though. I've grown up killing people in my TV, and I'm fine. I beat hookers to death in GTA at like age 12, and I'm fine.
Violence in the media didn't cause this person to do what they did. Clearly something was messed up in their head to begin with.
If you really wanna blame violence in the media on these shootings then you might as well blame casinos and lotto tickets for people getting addicted to gambling. Cuz clearly it has nothing to do with the person and everything to do with the casino. No more Horseshoe downtown and no more revenue across the country...
Also to whomever said this isn't the time to discuss gun control. When is? Just wondering.
Edit: Actually we should probably make sure we have all of the info first. But still that means pretty soon
i never said we shouldn't discuss gun control, lets discuss
As the Founding Fathers knew well, a government that does not trust its honest, law-abiding, taxpaying citizens with the means of self-defense is not itself worthy of trust. Laws disarming honest citizens proclaim that the government is the master, not the servant, of the people. -- Jeff Snyder
"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
-- Mohandas Gandhi, An Autobiography,
The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.
-- Adolph Hitler, April 11 1942
No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction. Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this weapon in crime than ever before.
-- Colin Greenwood, in the study "Firearms Control", 1972
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.
-- Noah Webster
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What does this have to do with a standing army and a conquered people?
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gun control?
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You're the one who's a naive know it all. Your opinion is of no consequence to me, because I so often find myself at the farthest possible position from you.
You should read Bundy's last interview. It's not that the porn and violence made him a monster but he claims it was the driving influence that fostered his monsterdom and helped form his violent fantasies. He had no reason to lie he was only hours from inevitable death. According to him all the killers he knew in jail had one common link. Addiction to violent media and porn. And his words seem eerily true today.
Your arguement that "well I like it and I don't want to kill anyone" is invalid. You may be a more well developed person than Adam Lanza or Ted Bundy.
There's obviously many who are not.
Bundy is the exact reason why mental health issues need to be the focus. You don't kill people because you get bored with Jean Claude van Damme movies and porn. You kill people because you lack the self-control it takes for moderation. That's clearly a mental health problem.
Bundy is the exact reason why mental health issues need to be the focus. You don't kill people because you get bored with Jean Claude van Damme movies and porn. You kill people because you lack the self-control it takes for moderation. That's clearly a mental health problem.
Listen, I play mass effect and GTA. Hell Im playing assassins creed 3 now (not right now but you get what I'm saying) I probably shot 1,000,000 effegies of humans before I was 18. Some people can handle it and some can't. The thought that this stuff doesn't desensitize you is bullshit. Have you watched these beheading videos from Mexico? I have and it doesn't even make me blink. That's called desensitizing.
I'm not pre disposed to killing people and that's a very good thing. But other people are and showing them that type of material on demand is a very bad thing. When you have fantasies they eventually have to be acted on. So you're right about it being a mental health issue, no arguement there, but you saying it doesn't de sensitize you is utter naive crap.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Bundy is the exact reason why mental health issues need to be the focus. You don't kill people because you get bored with Jean Claude van Damme movies and porn. You kill people because you lack the self-control it takes for moderation. That's clearly a mental health problem.
Listen, I play mass effect and GTA. Hell Im playing assassins creed 3 now (not right now but you get what I'm saying) I probably shot 1,000,000 effegies of humans before I was 18. Some people can handle it and some can't. The thought that this stuff doesn't desensitize you is bullshit. Have you watched these beheading videos from Mexico? I have and it doesn't even make me blink. That's called desensitizing.
I'm not pre disposed to killing people and that's a very good thing. But other people are and showing them that type of material on demand is a very bad thing. When you have fantasies they eventually have to be acted on. So you're right about it being a mental health issue, no arguement there, but you saying it doesn't de sensitize you is utter naive crap.
Listen, I play mass effect and GTA. Hell Im playing assassins creed 3 now (not right now but you get what I'm saying) I probably shot 1,000,000 effegies of humans before I was 18. Some people can handle it and some can't. The thought that this stuff doesn't desensitize you is bullshit. Have you watched these beheading videos from Mexico? I have and it doesn't even make me blink. That's called desensitizing.
I'm not pre disposed to killing people and that's a very good thing. But other people are and showing them that type of material on demand is a very bad thing. When you have fantasies they eventually have to be acted on. So you're right about it being a mental health issue, no arguement there, but you saying it doesn't de sensitize you is utter naive crap.
being to desensitized to SEEING violence doesn't make you desensitized to COMMITING violence
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Bundy is the exact reason why mental health issues need to be the focus. You don't kill people because you get bored with Jean Claude van Damme movies and porn. You kill people because you lack the self-control it takes for moderation. That's clearly a mental health problem.
Listen, I play mass effect and GTA. Hell Im playing assassins creed 3 now (not right now but you get what I'm saying) I probably shot 1,000,000 effegies of humans before I was 18. Some people can handle it and some can't. The thought that this stuff doesn't desensitize you is bullshit. Have you watched these beheading videos from Mexico? I have and it doesn't even make me blink. That's called desensitizing.
I'm not pre disposed to killing people and that's a very good thing. But other people are and showing them that type of material on demand is a very bad thing. When you have fantasies they eventually have to be acted on. So you're right about it being a mental health issue, no arguement there, but you saying it doesn't de sensitize you is utter naive crap.
Listen, I play mass effect and GTA. Hell Im playing assassins creed 3 now (not right now but you get what I'm saying) I probably shot 1,000,000 effegies of humans before I was 18. Some people can handle it and some can't. The thought that this stuff doesn't desensitize you is bullshit. Have you watched these beheading videos from Mexico? I have and it doesn't even make me blink. That's called desensitizing.
I'm not pre disposed to killing people and that's a very good thing. But other people are and showing them that type of material on demand is a very bad thing. When you have fantasies they eventually have to be acted on. So you're right about it being a mental health issue, no arguement there, but you saying it doesn't de sensitize you is utter naive crap.
I never said that it doesn't desensitize you, I only ever claimed that desensitization is a bullshit scapegoat.
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Listen, I play mass effect and GTA. Hell Im playing assassins creed 3 now (not right now but you get what I'm saying) I probably shot 1,000,000 effegies of humans before I was 18. Some people can handle it and some can't. The thought that this stuff doesn't desensitize you is bullshit. Have you watched these beheading videos from Mexico? I have and it doesn't even make me blink. That's called desensitizing.
I'm not pre disposed to killing people and that's a very good thing. But other people are and showing them that type of material on demand is a very bad thing. When you have fantasies they eventually have to be acted on. So you're right about it being a mental health issue, no arguement there, but you saying it doesn't de sensitize you is utter naive crap.
being to desensitized to SEEING violence doesn't make you desensitized to COMMITING violence
being to desensitized to SEEING violence doesn't make you desensitized to COMMITING violence
Not at first no. Any killer or even soldier will tell you they were physically ill the first time they killed someone. But sadly it gets easier. If you go over to bestgore.com and read the comments on these videos you'll see some very disturbed people. What you have is a bunch of people raised in the age where terrible violence both real and fake is so easily accessible that seeing a guy get his head cut off with a chainsaw is fucking boring. It's going to produce some real issues with kids that watch 3 guys 1 hammer at ten years old. Violence happens its always happened but to say that shit makes no contribution is asinine. Insane.
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Listen, I play mass effect and GTA. Hell Im playing assassins creed 3 now (not right now but you get what I'm saying) I probably shot 1,000,000 effegies of humans before I was 18. Some people can handle it and some can't. The thought that this stuff doesn't desensitize you is bullshit. Have you watched these beheading videos from Mexico? I have and it doesn't even make me blink. That's called desensitizing.
I'm not pre disposed to killing people and that's a very good thing. But other people are and showing them that type of material on demand is a very bad thing. When you have fantasies they eventually have to be acted on. So you're right about it being a mental health issue, no arguement there, but you saying it doesn't de sensitize you is utter naive crap.
being to desensitized to SEEING violence doesn't make you desensitized to COMMITING violence
being to desensitized to SEEING violence doesn't make you desensitized to COMMITING violence
+1
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Listen, I play mass effect and GTA. Hell Im playing assassins creed 3 now (not right now but you get what I'm saying) I probably shot 1,000,000 effegies of humans before I was 18. Some people can handle it and some can't. The thought that this stuff doesn't desensitize you is bullshit. Have you watched these beheading videos from Mexico? I have and it doesn't even make me blink. That's called desensitizing.
I'm not pre disposed to killing people and that's a very good thing. But other people are and showing them that type of material on demand is a very bad thing. When you have fantasies they eventually have to be acted on. So you're right about it being a mental health issue, no arguement there, but you saying it doesn't de sensitize you is utter naive crap.
I never said that it doesn't desensitize you, I only ever claimed that desensitization is a bullshit scapegoat.
I never said that it doesn't desensitize you, I only ever claimed that desensitization is a bullshit scapegoat.
I'm not scapegoating it but pointing out that the ease of access most definitely exacerbates whatever mental issue exists that causes you to be the type of person who could kill 20 helpless little children because you're mad at your mommy. Makes you more driven to fantasize about it. More driven to act on it. Maybe without graphic gratuitous violence shoved down your throat the psychosis manifests itself as something else. Not all psychopaths and antisocial disorders become murderers. Maybe you work 20 hours a day, who knows. Ted Bundy could have been a politician. Instead he was a psychotic murderer. He felt violence and pornography steered him, a person with poor control of his emotions and a psychotic personality, into murder. I think he'd put a lot of thought into it while he sat on death row.
To write that off because you yourself are not a psychopath is naive. How do we address the issue in other ways? Take those that exhibit signs of being a psychopath or having antisocial personality disorder early in life and execute them? Lock them away forever? Get them on a regiment of medication forever? Or do you try and turn their disorders from fixating on murder and possibly fixating them on something else? What's your idea?
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Some sort of intervention is necessary. It's likely that the best outcome of this is that people will be more aware of the mental health of those around them. I don't know exactly what type of intervention that would be, but I can't see the government creating a law or program that would stop this sort of thing from occurring.
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