Minicamp Reports, 5-23
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My point, Skep, is that almost every outlet in the U.S. had Kruger in the top 5-10 and virtually nobody had Massoquoi or Brown near their top 50 or even top 100. You can still find a guy or two who thinks climate change isn't real, too... just not any educated experts or Koch brothers (!). We live in a world where truth is perverted and distorted to please just about anybody. Aaron Sorkin calls it the age of the amateur, where reality is a matter of equally rated opinions.
But like using Rotten Tomatoes composite score instead of anecdotal evidence, you'd say Kruger was a top five free agent and Mo wasn't in the top 100-ish.
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Skeptical2013 said:
While Zombo tells us Davis is a great blocker,
Jeezus H. Fuck, Dicktits, You have quoted me three times, but still have not actually read, or comprehended what I said.
First of all, I never mentioned his blocking. Never alluded to it, have never spoken of it, or judged it, in my entire live-long life.
Second of all, the post begins "Let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment ..."
It actually says that.
And I know your cognitive abilities are lacking, you prove that over and over, but every assfuck that has made it past the fifth grade knows what the fuck that phrase means.
But not "Skeptical", he has to tell us how he knows how this guy has dropped passes and failed in his last opportunity. We already know that, penislicker, that was a given and implied.
But as Browns FANS, I was offering some hope ... I was saying "wouldn't it be a great surprise if this huge athletic kid got his shit together in Cleveland with this coaching staff?"
I don't expect it. I imagine Kellen Davis will continue to be Kellen Davis and we'll be looking for another backup tight end next year. But you never know, the staff may get him turned around and that would be good for everybody ... I thought ... then I met you.
That would be bad for you, because Mike Lombardi was our GM when this kid was brought in, and, as we all know, you think the experienced, articulate Lombardi is the dumbest fuck who ever walked planet earth and he has to fail miserably in Cleveland for you to to feel good about yourself and your cloud of gloom that you have brought to our board.
But this is no normal man hate, this is personal isn't it? Because when Mike Lombardi was in Cleveland in the early 90's ... he fucked your wife.
He had to.
There is no other reason for this angst, and bitterness and constant vilification for everything that this administration does, that you have brought to our board.
He fucked her, and he fucked her hard. He stuck his Italian salami in places you only dreamed about going in with your pencil dick. And he made her scream like you never have or never will. And sometimes at night, your wife still moans out his name.
"Mike ... Mike ... give Mommy her meat snake"
That is the only possible explanation for your vile hatred for the organization that the rest of us hope for, root for, and invest our hard-earned Sundays into.
Fuck off. This board isn't for you. We're Browns fans. And we're allowed to get mad at our team, criticize our team, and even dislike certain players or administrators. But to just shit on the team night and day ... we can get that from the Steeler fans.
But at least they have some integrity. They are on a mission, representing their team
You're just a bitter, old, assfuck who wants to make everybody miserable. That's your mission. Accomplish it somewhere else.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Jeezus H. Fuck, Dicktits, You have quoted me three times, but still have not actually read, or comprehended what I said.
First of all, I never mentioned his blocking. Never alluded to it, have never spoken of it, or judged it, in my entire live-long life.
Second of all, the post begins "Let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment ..."
It actually says that.
And I know your cognitive abilities are lacking, you prove that over and over, but every assfuck that has made it past the fifth grade knows what the fuck that phrase means.
But not "Skeptical", he has to tell us how he knows how this guy has dropped passes and failed in his last opportunity. We already know that, penislicker, that was a given and implied.
But as Browns FANS, I was offering some hope ... I was saying "wouldn't it be a great surprise if this huge athletic kid got his shit together in Cleveland with this coaching staff?"
I don't expect it. I imagine Kellen Davis will continue to be Kellen Davis and we'll be looking for another backup tight end next year. But you never know, the staff may get him turned around and that would be good for everybody ... I thought ... then I met you.
That would be bad for you, because Mike Lombardi was our GM when this kid was brought in, and, as we all know, you think the experienced, articulate Lombardi is the dumbest fuck who ever walked planet earth and he has to fail miserably in Cleveland for you to to feel good about yourself and your cloud of gloom that you have brought to our board.
But this is no normal man hate, this is personal isn't it? Because when Mike Lombardi was in Cleveland in the early 90's ... he fucked your wife.
He had to.
There is no other reason for this angst, and bitterness and constant vilification for everything that this administration does, that you have brought to our board.
He fucked her, and he fucked her hard. He stuck his Italian salami in places you only dreamed about going in with your pencil dick. And he made her scream like you never have or never will. And sometimes at night, your wife still moans out his name.
"Mike ... Mike ... give Mommy her meat snake"
That is the only possible explanation for your vile hatred for the organization that the rest of us hope for, root for, and invest our hard-earned Sundays into.
Fuck off. This board isn't for you. We're Browns fans. And we're allowed to get mad at our team, criticize our team, and even dislike certain players or administrators. But to just shit on the team night and day ... we can get that from the Steeler fans.
But at least they have some integrity. They are on a mission, representing their team
You're just a bitter, old, assfuck who wants to make everybody miserable. That's your mission. Accomplish it somewhere else.
Zombo
I'm beginning to wonder if you and Hairy Buffalo are the same person. And as it applies to you, sir, your full-court ugliness and extensive use of foul language has no place in a public forum like this that is visited by kids., It's you sir, who should get out, and take your ugly act and the nasty people you are friends with, and go do your juvenie thing behind some firewall, preferably a cave in Siberia.
Like you, I am a diehard Browns fan. But I guess you don't grasp the fact that human beings are different and aren't stamped out on an assembly line like you think they should be -- all with the same happy-happy view of the team.
My perspective is that I am very unhappy with many of the personnel moves and decisions made by the Banner/Lombardi regime. For example: trading with your fiercest rival and allowing them to immediately fill a weakness with a pretty good player who could hurt your team as early as the 2013 season? That's plain insane!
It looks like more of the same clueless decision making we have seen for 14 years now, and I am tired of it, and mad as hell about it. Yes, I am belligerant in my attitude toward Lombardi and Banner, and I will express my opinion about it! I am tired of the Steelers, Ravens and now the Bengals making one smart move after another year after year while the Browns management stumbles and looks stupid again and again and again.
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The Browns had no interest in Shamarko Thomas because he isn't seen as a great cover guy, more of a future replacement for Big Hair. Makes most of his plays at the line of scrimmage, not a steal in the fourth round but decent enough value.
He was redundant with T.J. Ward. Getting a third in a better draft for a fourth in a lesser draft is good business.
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Zombo said:
Jeezus H. Fuck, Dicktits, You have quoted me three times, but still have not actually read, or comprehended what I said.
First of all, I never mentioned his blocking. Never alluded to it, have never spoken of it, or judged it, in my entire live-long life.
Second of all, the post begins "Let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment ..."
It actually says that.
And I know your cognitive abilities are lacking, you prove that over and over, but every assfuck that has made it past the fifth grade knows what the fuck that phrase means.
But not "Skeptical", he has to tell us how he knows how this guy has dropped passes and failed in his last opportunity. We already know that, penislicker, that was a given and implied.
But as Browns FANS, I was offering some hope ... I was saying "wouldn't it be a great surprise if this huge athletic kid got his shit together in Cleveland with this coaching staff?"
I don't expect it. I imagine Kellen Davis will continue to be Kellen Davis and we'll be looking for another backup tight end next year. But you never know, the staff may get him turned around and that would be good for everybody ... I thought ... then I met you.
That would be bad for you, because Mike Lombardi was our GM when this kid was brought in, and, as we all know, you think the experienced, articulate Lombardi is the dumbest fuck who ever walked planet earth and he has to fail miserably in Cleveland for you to to feel good about yourself and your cloud of gloom that you have brought to our board.
But this is no normal man hate, this is personal isn't it? Because when Mike Lombardi was in Cleveland in the early 90's ... he fucked your wife.
He had to.
There is no other reason for this angst, and bitterness and constant vilification for everything that this administration does, that you have brought to our board.
He fucked her, and he fucked her hard. He stuck his Italian salami in places you only dreamed about going in with your pencil dick. And he made her scream like you never have or never will. And sometimes at night, your wife still moans out his name.
"Mike ... Mike ... give Mommy her meat snake"
That is the only possible explanation for your vile hatred for the organization that the rest of us hope for, root for, and invest our hard-earned Sundays into.
Fuck off. This board isn't for you. We're Browns fans. And we're allowed to get mad at our team, criticize our team, and even dislike certain players or administrators. But to just shit on the team night and day ... we can get that from the Steeler fans.
But at least they have some integrity. They are on a mission, representing their team
You're just a bitter, old, assfuck who wants to make everybody miserable. That's your mission. Accomplish it somewhere else.
Zombo
I'm beginning to wonder if you and Hairy Buffalo are the same person. And as it applies to you, sir, your full-court ugliness and extensive use of foul language has no place in a public forum like this that is visited by kids., It's you sir, who should get out, and take your ugly act and the nasty people you are friends with, and go do your juvenie thing behind some firewall, preferably a cave in Siberia.
Like you, I am a diehard Browns fan. But I guess you don't grasp the fact that human beings are different and aren't stamped out on an assembly line like you think they should be -- all with the same happy-happy view of the team.
My perspective is that I am very unhappy with many of the personnel moves and decisions made by the Banner/Lombardi regime. For example: trading with your fiercest rival and allowing them to immediately fill a weakness with a pretty good player who could hurt your team as early as the 2013 season? That's plain insane!
It looks like more of the same clueless decision making we have seen for 14 years now, and I am tired of it, and mad as hell about it. Yes, I am belligerant in my attitude toward Lombardi and Banner, and I will express my opinion about it! I am tired of the Steelers, Ravens and now the Bengals making one smart move after another year after year while the Browns management stumbles and looks stupid again and again and again.
Assclown said:
I'm beginning to wonder if you and Hairy Buffalo are the same person. And as it applies to you, sir, your full-court ugliness and extensive use of foul language has no place in a public forum like this that is visited by kids., It's you sir, who should get out, and take your ugly act and the nasty people you are friends with, and go do your juvenie thing behind some firewall, preferably a cave in Siberia.
First of all, we don't want, or encourage kids to visit the site.
If we did, we wouldn't allow the "foul" language.
It is a place for adult, thick-skinned Browns fans to have fun, talk about the Browns and hash things out.
Now, if you choose to be a pompous windbag and walk in here and shit all over the Browns, and shit all over the new ownership's team before they even play one game with newly picked administration and coaching staff, and declare yourself better than NFL personnel people and fixate and cry like a jilted schoolgirl over a fourth round safety that was passed over for a third round draft pick ... people just aren't going to get used to you, ever. They're not going to listen to you and they're going to wonder why you stay on a site where everyone thinks you're an Assclown.
You keep crying that you are sick of the losing. We all are. Many of us have been together for 14 years and we are frustrated. But we have HOPE now. There is new ownership, young talent, new coaches and whole different administration. They have absolutely nothing to do with the product the Lerners put on the field.
And it may, or may not, take another year of struggling before we can see what we have now. But no one wants to hear your whiney ass bitch and moan the whole way through it, especially before the players even put pads on.
You don't like Lombardi. We get it. You would have added more secondary depth. I understand.
But 20 whiney windbag posts a day crying about this team before we can see one fucking result is as annoying as fuck ... or let me make that kid-friendly for you .. Constant crying leads to a permanent time out around here ...
Zombo
--but you can swear all the fuck you want.
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The Browns had no interest in Shamarko Thomas because he isn't seen as a great cover guy, more of a future replacement for Big Hair. Makes most of his plays at the line of scrimmage, not a steal in the fourth round but decent enough value.
He was redundant with T.J. Ward. Getting a third in a better draft for a fourth in a lesser draft is good business.
The Browns had no interest in Shamarko Thomas because he isn't seen as a great cover guy, more of a future replacement for Big Hair. Makes most of his plays at the line of scrimmage, not a steal in the fourth round but decent enough value.
He was redundant with T.J. Ward. Getting a third in a better draft for a fourth in a lesser draft is good business.
Shamarko Thomas ran a very fast 4.42 40 at the Combine (I believe Brown FS Gipson's 40 time was something like 4.52) and many consider him to have suprisingly decent but not great cover capabilities -- his lack of height may hurt him a bit in coverage, as will be the case for Leon McFadden. If the Browns had selected Thomas, he would have been a fine back up for Ward. Thomas had an amazing 28 reps with the iron at the Combine. Contrast that with Mingo, who decided not to bench press at the Combine and many speculated he was embarrassed with what he would produce. Thomas also out lifted Ziggy Ansah at the Combine.
I consider Thomas better fitted at strong safety, but what you may not be aware of is that the Steelers are giving Thomas a lot of work at free safety vs. strong safety. This kid is going to be a good player.
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Assclown said:
I'm beginning to wonder if you and Hairy Buffalo are the same person. And as it applies to you, sir, your full-court ugliness and extensive use of foul language has no place in a public forum like this that is visited by kids., It's you sir, who should get out, and take your ugly act and the nasty people you are friends with, and go do your juvenie thing behind some firewall, preferably a cave in Siberia.
First of all, we don't want, or encourage kids to visit the site.
If we did, we wouldn't allow the "foul" language.
It is a place for adult, thick-skinned Browns fans to have fun, talk about the Browns and hash things out.
Now, if you choose to be a pompous windbag and walk in here and shit all over the Browns, and shit all over the new ownership's team before they even play one game with newly picked administration and coaching staff, and declare yourself better than NFL personnel people and fixate and cry like a jilted schoolgirl over a fourth round safety that was passed over for a third round draft pick ... people just aren't going to get used to you, ever. They're not going to listen to you and they're going to wonder why you stay on a site where everyone thinks you're an Assclown.
You keep crying that you are sick of the losing. We all are. Many of us have been together for 14 years and we are frustrated. But we have HOPE now. There is new ownership, young talent, new coaches and whole different administration. They have absolutely nothing to do with the product the Lerners put on the field.
And it may, or may not, take another year of struggling before we can see what we have now. But no one wants to hear your whiney ass bitch and moan the whole way through it, especially before the players even put pads on.
You don't like Lombardi. We get it. You would have added more secondary depth. I understand.
But 20 whiney windbag posts a day crying about this team before we can see one fucking result is as annoying as fuck ... or let me make that kid-friendly for you .. Constant crying leads to a permanent time out around here ...
Zombo
--but you can swear all the fuck you want.
Zombo said:
First of all, we don't want, or encourage kids to visit the site.
If we did, we wouldn't allow the "foul" language.
It is a place for adult, thick-skinned Browns fans to have fun, talk about the Browns and hash things out.
Now, if you choose to be a pompous windbag and walk in here and shit all over the Browns, and shit all over the new ownership's team before they even play one game with newly picked administration and coaching staff, and declare yourself better than NFL personnel people and fixate and cry like a jilted schoolgirl over a fourth round safety that was passed over for a third round draft pick ... people just aren't going to get used to you, ever. They're not going to listen to you and they're going to wonder why you stay on a site where everyone thinks you're an Assclown.
You keep crying that you are sick of the losing. We all are. Many of us have been together for 14 years and we are frustrated. But we have HOPE now. There is new ownership, young talent, new coaches and whole different administration. They have absolutely nothing to do with the product the Lerners put on the field.
And it may, or may not, take another year of struggling before we can see what we have now. But no one wants to hear your whiney ass bitch and moan the whole way through it, especially before the players even put pads on.
You don't like Lombardi. We get it. You would have added more secondary depth. I understand.
But 20 whiney windbag posts a day crying about this team before we can see one fucking result is as annoying as fuck ... or let me make that kid-friendly for you .. Constant crying leads to a permanent time out around here ...
Zombo
--but you can swear all the fuck you want.
Meanwhile, here's what the highly respected Pro Football Focus had to say about the Browns drafting Barky Mingo and just another reason I am furious at the decison making of Banner and Lombardi. I agree nearly 100% with PFF's assessment, expcet I think Mingo's real draft value was about #25 or so.
With the sixth pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns selected OLB Barkevioius Mingo (LSU Tigers). Alabama Crimson Tide right tackle D.J. Fluker called Mingo “the best speed rusher in college football,” and there’s little question that Mingo is a very talented pass-rusher.
However, his well-reported lack of upper body strength (he refused to bench press at the combine or his pro day) is actually a real cause for concern, because the tape shows him struggling to shed blockers.
Now, to be fair, the level of competition Mingo faced in 2012 was substantially higher than that faced by Oregon DE Dion Jordan. However, it’s also important to note that Mingo lined up predominantly on the left side, going against the opposition’s right tackle on virtually every play, while Jordan consistently went against the opponent’s left tackle. Mingo’s inability to distinguish himself as a game-breaker against Fluker and Texas A&M right tackle Jake Matthews is a clear sign that he is really a non-elite mid-first-round talent, not a legitimate top-5 pick. At sixth overall, Mingo was probably over-drafted by 10 or so slots.
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And yet, others....like Bill Polian, who works for ESPN, rated Michael Wallace and Paul Kruger the #1 and #2 FAs available.
Now, I don't know who is doing ESPNs rankings on this.....but if anyone has talent scouting credibility it is Bill Polian.
So much for that bit of dumbassery.
If you read my post thoroughly, you would see I am just quoting what Scouts, Inc. said in its ratings of NFL free agents. They had him tied for 90th. I'd probably rate him in the top 30 somewhere, but I do disagree we paid him like a top 5 free agent.
I absolutely respect Bill Polian's opinion and anything he says should be carefully listened to. Certainly Browns fans who think Kruger was a terrific acquisiton can make their case for him. Meanwhile, a number of experts have Kruger as their #1 potential bust.
Assclown said:
If you read my post thoroughly, you would see I am just quoting what Scouts, Inc. said in its ratings of NFL free agents. They had him tied for 90th. I'd probably rate him in the top 30 somewhere, but I do disagree we paid him like a top 5 free agent.
I absolutely respect Bill Polian's opinion and anything he says should be carefully listened to. Certainly Browns fans who think Kruger was a terrific acquisiton can make their case for him. Meanwhile, a number of experts have Kruger as their #1 potential bust.
I can buy that if he is a draft choice, but he is a proven veteran.
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Zombo said:
Jeezus H. Fuck, Dicktits, You have quoted me three times, but still have not actually read, or comprehended what I said.
First of all, I never mentioned his blocking. Never alluded to it, have never spoken of it, or judged it, in my entire live-long life.
Second of all, the post begins "Let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment ..."
It actually says that.
And I know your cognitive abilities are lacking, you prove that over and over, but every assfuck that has made it past the fifth grade knows what the fuck that phrase means.
But not "Skeptical", he has to tell us how he knows how this guy has dropped passes and failed in his last opportunity. We already know that, penislicker, that was a given and implied.
But as Browns FANS, I was offering some hope ... I was saying "wouldn't it be a great surprise if this huge athletic kid got his shit together in Cleveland with this coaching staff?"
I don't expect it. I imagine Kellen Davis will continue to be Kellen Davis and we'll be looking for another backup tight end next year. But you never know, the staff may get him turned around and that would be good for everybody ... I thought ... then I met you.
That would be bad for you, because Mike Lombardi was our GM when this kid was brought in, and, as we all know, you think the experienced, articulate Lombardi is the dumbest fuck who ever walked planet earth and he has to fail miserably in Cleveland for you to to feel good about yourself and your cloud of gloom that you have brought to our board.
But this is no normal man hate, this is personal isn't it? Because when Mike Lombardi was in Cleveland in the early 90's ... he fucked your wife.
He had to.
There is no other reason for this angst, and bitterness and constant vilification for everything that this administration does, that you have brought to our board.
He fucked her, and he fucked her hard. He stuck his Italian salami in places you only dreamed about going in with your pencil dick. And he made her scream like you never have or never will. And sometimes at night, your wife still moans out his name.
"Mike ... Mike ... give Mommy her meat snake"
That is the only possible explanation for your vile hatred for the organization that the rest of us hope for, root for, and invest our hard-earned Sundays into.
Fuck off. This board isn't for you. We're Browns fans. And we're allowed to get mad at our team, criticize our team, and even dislike certain players or administrators. But to just shit on the team night and day ... we can get that from the Steeler fans.
But at least they have some integrity. They are on a mission, representing their team
You're just a bitter, old, assfuck who wants to make everybody miserable. That's your mission. Accomplish it somewhere else.
Zombo
I'm beginning to wonder if you and Hairy Buffalo are the same person. And as it applies to you, sir, your full-court ugliness and extensive use of foul language has no place in a public forum like this that is visited by kids., It's you sir, who should get out, and take your ugly act and the nasty people you are friends with, and go do your juvenie thing behind some firewall, preferably a cave in Siberia.
Like you, I am a diehard Browns fan. But I guess you don't grasp the fact that human beings are different and aren't stamped out on an assembly line like you think they should be -- all with the same happy-happy view of the team.
My perspective is that I am very unhappy with many of the personnel moves and decisions made by the Banner/Lombardi regime. For example: trading with your fiercest rival and allowing them to immediately fill a weakness with a pretty good player who could hurt your team as early as the 2013 season? That's plain insane!
It looks like more of the same clueless decision making we have seen for 14 years now, and I am tired of it, and mad as hell about it. Yes, I am belligerant in my attitude toward Lombardi and Banner, and I will express my opinion about it! I am tired of the Steelers, Ravens and now the Bengals making one smart move after another year after year while the Browns management stumbles and looks stupid again and again and again.
Assclown said:
I'm beginning to wonder if you and Hairy Buffalo are the same person. And as it applies to you, sir, your full-court ugliness and extensive use of foul language has no place in a public forum like this that is visited by kids., It's you sir, who should get out, and take your ugly act and the nasty people you are friends with, and go do your juvenie thing behind some firewall, preferably a cave in Siberia.
no, zombo is none of that.
BUT he is an admin of the site and can bounce you off this board like the bag of air you sound like.
dude, drop it already. sure there are those of us that disagree with how the draft went. it happens every year. not everyone is going to be pleased with every decision the brown's FO makes. hell, you should have been around here when holmgren was running the show. there was no one on hear that proclaimed his inability to do anything right anymore (except hiring heckert) than me.
BUT it wasn't a non-stop bashing day in and day out like you are doing.
sure you might know some stats and some of your arguments might be valid but you are coming off as a real douchebag.
chill the fuck out.
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Skeptical2013 said:
While Zombo tells us Davis is a great blocker,
Jeezus H. Fuck, Dicktits, You have quoted me three times, but still have not actually read, or comprehended what I said.
First of all, I never mentioned his blocking. Never alluded to it, have never spoken of it, or judged it, in my entire live-long life.
Second of all, the post begins "Let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment ..."
It actually says that.
And I know your cognitive abilities are lacking, you prove that over and over, but every assfuck that has made it past the fifth grade knows what the fuck that phrase means.
But not "Skeptical", he has to tell us how he knows how this guy has dropped passes and failed in his last opportunity. We already know that, penislicker, that was a given and implied.
But as Browns FANS, I was offering some hope ... I was saying "wouldn't it be a great surprise if this huge athletic kid got his shit together in Cleveland with this coaching staff?"
I don't expect it. I imagine Kellen Davis will continue to be Kellen Davis and we'll be looking for another backup tight end next year. But you never know, the staff may get him turned around and that would be good for everybody ... I thought ... then I met you.
That would be bad for you, because Mike Lombardi was our GM when this kid was brought in, and, as we all know, you think the experienced, articulate Lombardi is the dumbest fuck who ever walked planet earth and he has to fail miserably in Cleveland for you to to feel good about yourself and your cloud of gloom that you have brought to our board.
But this is no normal man hate, this is personal isn't it? Because when Mike Lombardi was in Cleveland in the early 90's ... he fucked your wife.
He had to.
There is no other reason for this angst, and bitterness and constant vilification for everything that this administration does, that you have brought to our board.
He fucked her, and he fucked her hard. He stuck his Italian salami in places you only dreamed about going in with your pencil dick. And he made her scream like you never have or never will. And sometimes at night, your wife still moans out his name.
"Mike ... Mike ... give Mommy her meat snake"
That is the only possible explanation for your vile hatred for the organization that the rest of us hope for, root for, and invest our hard-earned Sundays into.
Fuck off. This board isn't for you. We're Browns fans. And we're allowed to get mad at our team, criticize our team, and even dislike certain players or administrators. But to just shit on the team night and day ... we can get that from the Steeler fans.
But at least they have some integrity. They are on a mission, representing their team
You're just a bitter, old, assfuck who wants to make everybody miserable. That's your mission. Accomplish it somewhere else.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Jeezus H. Fuck, Dicktits, You have quoted me three times, but still have not actually read, or comprehended what I said.
First of all, I never mentioned his blocking. Never alluded to it, have never spoken of it, or judged it, in my entire live-long life.
Second of all, the post begins "Let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment ..."
It actually says that.
And I know your cognitive abilities are lacking, you prove that over and over, but every assfuck that has made it past the fifth grade knows what the fuck that phrase means.
But not "Skeptical", he has to tell us how he knows how this guy has dropped passes and failed in his last opportunity. We already know that, penislicker, that was a given and implied.
But as Browns FANS, I was offering some hope ... I was saying "wouldn't it be a great surprise if this huge athletic kid got his shit together in Cleveland with this coaching staff?"
I don't expect it. I imagine Kellen Davis will continue to be Kellen Davis and we'll be looking for another backup tight end next year. But you never know, the staff may get him turned around and that would be good for everybody ... I thought ... then I met you.
That would be bad for you, because Mike Lombardi was our GM when this kid was brought in, and, as we all know, you think the experienced, articulate Lombardi is the dumbest fuck who ever walked planet earth and he has to fail miserably in Cleveland for you to to feel good about yourself and your cloud of gloom that you have brought to our board.
But this is no normal man hate, this is personal isn't it? Because when Mike Lombardi was in Cleveland in the early 90's ... he fucked your wife.
He had to.
There is no other reason for this angst, and bitterness and constant vilification for everything that this administration does, that you have brought to our board.
He fucked her, and he fucked her hard. He stuck his Italian salami in places you only dreamed about going in with your pencil dick. And he made her scream like you never have or never will. And sometimes at night, your wife still moans out his name.
"Mike ... Mike ... give Mommy her meat snake"
That is the only possible explanation for your vile hatred for the organization that the rest of us hope for, root for, and invest our hard-earned Sundays into.
Fuck off. This board isn't for you. We're Browns fans. And we're allowed to get mad at our team, criticize our team, and even dislike certain players or administrators. But to just shit on the team night and day ... we can get that from the Steeler fans.
But at least they have some integrity. They are on a mission, representing their team
You're just a bitter, old, assfuck who wants to make everybody miserable. That's your mission. Accomplish it somewhere else.
Zombo
Lol. Good one.
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Shamarko has a very real height issue (not many 5'9" safeties) and while he's straight line fast, he isn't a very fluid athlete (Gipson is for sure). Nobody can really judge his instincts in the pass game because he mostly stepped up into the box and wasn't asked to cover much.
He's just not what we want at that position and was never a serious consideration. Gipson showed instincts, a sense of being in the right place, and played some corner in college. It just makes way more sense.
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Shamarko has a very real height issue (not many 5'9" safeties) and while he's straight line fast, he isn't a very fluid athlete (Gipson is for sure). Nobody can really judge his instincts in the pass game because he mostly stepped up into the box and wasn't asked to cover much.
He's just not what we want at that position and was never a serious consideration. Gipson showed instincts, a sense of being in the right place, and played some corner in college. It just makes way more sense.
Shamarko has a very real height issue (not many 5'9" safeties) and while he's straight line fast, he isn't a very fluid athlete (Gipson is for sure). Nobody can really judge his instincts in the pass game because he mostly stepped up into the box and wasn't asked to cover much.
He's just not what we want at that position and was never a serious consideration. Gipson showed instincts, a sense of being in the right place, and played some corner in college. It just makes way more sense.
Thomas did do some cover work and handled it fairly capably. His height is an issue for a safety and that is why he fell to the 4th round. But Thomas is faster than Gipson and is much stronger. Thomas is better suited at strong safety but his flexibilityand speed are plusses for the Steelers. I think Thomas is a savvy guy, a gamer, and he will show you that over time.
I also think Gipson is a gamer, too. I think he has some limitations that will prevent him from becoming one of the league's best free safeties, but he certainly could grow into a competent one. My big issue is with his back up. I simply don't think he is good enough for such an important position.
I also believe you underestimate Gipson's lack of expeirence going in to the 2013 season. He played in a limited role much of 2012 and only started 3 games. There is going to be a learning curve for him in 2013 and he will get burned some and be out of position on some plays and hurt the Browns chances as a result. .
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Shamarko has a very real height issue (not many 5'9" safeties) and while he's straight line fast, he isn't a very fluid athlete (Gipson is for sure). Nobody can really judge his instincts in the pass game because he mostly stepped up into the box and wasn't asked to cover much.
He's just not what we want at that position and was never a serious consideration. Gipson showed instincts, a sense of being in the right place, and played some corner in college. It just makes way more sense.
Thomas did do some cover work and handled it fairly capably. His height is an issue for a safety and that is why he fell to the 4th round. But Thomas is faster than Gipson and is much stronger. Thomas is better suited at strong safety but his flexibilityand speed are plusses for the Steelers. I think Thomas is a savvy guy, a gamer, and he will show you that over time.
I also think Gipson is a gamer, too. I think he has some limitations that will prevent him from becoming one of the league's best free safeties, but he certainly could grow into a competent one. My big issue is with his back up. I simply don't think he is good enough for such an important position.
I also believe you underestimate Gipson's lack of expeirence going in to the 2013 season. He played in a limited role much of 2012 and only started 3 games. There is going to be a learning curve for him in 2013 and he will get burned some and be out of position on some plays and hurt the Browns chances as a result. .
SkepticalOne said:
Thomas did do some cover work and handled it fairly capably. His height is an issue for a safety and that is why he fell to the 4th round. But Thomas is faster than Gipson and is much stronger. Thomas is better suited at strong safety but his flexibilityand speed are plusses for the Steelers. I think Thomas is a savvy guy, a gamer, and he will show you that over time.
I also think Gipson is a gamer, too. I think he has some limitations that will prevent him from becoming one of the league's best free safeties, but he certainly could grow into a competent one. My big issue is with his back up. I simply don't think he is good enough for such an important position.
I also believe you underestimate Gipson's lack of expeirence going in to the 2013 season. He played in a limited role much of 2012 and only started 3 games. There is going to be a learning curve for him in 2013 and he will get burned some and be out of position on some plays and hurt the Browns chances as a result. .
And yet, he has more experience that Thomas does. Thomas is going to be a fucking rookie dude.
It is NFL experience that counts, not college experience. And I suspect Gipson had as much or more experience in college as Thomas. After all, they played in the same league essentially, so the competition faced was equal.
Besides, how do you know that Thomas is faster and stronger? Do you have those statistics?
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SkepticalOne said:
Thomas did do some cover work and handled it fairly capably. His height is an issue for a safety and that is why he fell to the 4th round. But Thomas is faster than Gipson and is much stronger. Thomas is better suited at strong safety but his flexibilityand speed are plusses for the Steelers. I think Thomas is a savvy guy, a gamer, and he will show you that over time.
I also think Gipson is a gamer, too. I think he has some limitations that will prevent him from becoming one of the league's best free safeties, but he certainly could grow into a competent one. My big issue is with his back up. I simply don't think he is good enough for such an important position.
I also believe you underestimate Gipson's lack of expeirence going in to the 2013 season. He played in a limited role much of 2012 and only started 3 games. There is going to be a learning curve for him in 2013 and he will get burned some and be out of position on some plays and hurt the Browns chances as a result. .
And yet, he has more experience that Thomas does. Thomas is going to be a fucking rookie dude.
It is NFL experience that counts, not college experience. And I suspect Gipson had as much or more experience in college as Thomas. After all, they played in the same league essentially, so the competition faced was equal.
Besides, how do you know that Thomas is faster and stronger? Do you have those statistics?
And yet, he has more experience that Thomas does. Thomas is going to be a fucking rookie dude.
It is NFL experience that counts, not college experience. And I suspect Gipson had as much or more experience in college as Thomas. After all, they played in the same league essentially, so the competition faced was equal.
Besides, how do you know that Thomas is faster and stronger? Do you have those statistics?
Gipson is counted on to be the STARTER. Thomas is not.
Thomas ran about 4.4 in the 40, Gipson about a 5.2
Thomas did 28 reps in the bench press at the Combine, more than Ziggy Ansah and Kevin Minter, two high front 7 defense draft pics. I doubt Gipson was anywhere close to that.
Mingo refused to lift in his pro day or at the Combine, and i am sure if he did, it would be much less than thomas.
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And yet, he has more experience that Thomas does. Thomas is going to be a fucking rookie dude.
It is NFL experience that counts, not college experience. And I suspect Gipson had as much or more experience in college as Thomas. After all, they played in the same league essentially, so the competition faced was equal.
Besides, how do you know that Thomas is faster and stronger? Do you have those statistics?
Gipson is counted on to be the STARTER. Thomas is not.
Thomas ran about 4.4 in the 40, Gipson about a 5.2
Thomas did 28 reps in the bench press at the Combine, more than Ziggy Ansah and Kevin Minter, two high front 7 defense draft pics. I doubt Gipson was anywhere close to that.
Mingo refused to lift in his pro day or at the Combine, and i am sure if he did, it would be much less than thomas.
Gipson is counted on to be the STARTER. Thomas is not.
Thomas ran about 4.4 in the 40, Gipson about a 5.2
Thomas did 28 reps in the bench press at the Combine, more than Ziggy Ansah and Kevin Minter, two high front 7 defense draft pics. I doubt Gipson was anywhere close to that.
Mingo refused to lift in his pro day or at the Combine, and i am sure if he did, it would be much less than thomas.
I double checked, because I knew I could not trust your stats.
Thomas ran a 4.45 40, Gipson ran a 4.6. Thomas did bench press 28 reps, which is very high for a DB....but Gipson pressed 23 reps, which is also high.
Thomas had a little better vertical leap.
And, FYI, you are full of shit if you don't think Thomas is to be expected to be the eventual starter. Point of fact is NFL.com has him as a strong safety, not a FS. So those two don't even play the same position. Thus....he was taken by the Steelers specifically to be the replacement for Polamalu. He is expected in the future to be a key component of the Steelers defense.
Gipson wasn't expected to be anything but training camp fodder. He got his position with no expectations whatsoever.
Now, if he turns out not to be FS starting material, so be it. Someone better will have to come along and beat him out...and it would merely be what was expected all along. So he is already far "ahead of the game".
Thomas, on the other hand, sits in the same position as McFadden....he is required by virtue of the investment made in him to be good.
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A more apt comparison to Thomas would be Jamoris Slaughter, 6th round pick....whose position may end up being backup SS..or he might compete for the FS position. He played both in college. In fact he even played some LB
He is taller than both at 6'0" Gipson is 5'11, Thomas 5'9"
Because of his achilles injury he didn't have combine or pro day workouts, but his previous numbers from the prior year were:
40 time: 4.46, which is the same as Thomas, a bit faster than Gipson
Bench press 19 reps, which was less than both Thomas and Gipson
The NFL.com report stated however that the key to his game, when he played, was his intinctiveness and versatility.
In fact, because of his injury, they...and he...didn't think he would be drafted.
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Gipson is fluid, athletic, and quick on the field. He's more instinctive and covers better than Shamarko, unless the latter has untapped skills his college team chose not to use.
Keep in mind that Gipson has won over two different defensive regimes. He's a find. Again, that and $4 will get you a Venti drip but it's not something you just throw away or even bench.
You want a FS who can cover. Ask Ronde Barber, who converted from CB in his last year and made #55 on the top 100 before retiring (and becoming ineligible). Both Gipson and Bademosi can play corner... doubt that's true of Shamarko.
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Gipson is counted on to be the STARTER. Thomas is not.
Thomas ran about 4.4 in the 40, Gipson about a 5.2
Thomas did 28 reps in the bench press at the Combine, more than Ziggy Ansah and Kevin Minter, two high front 7 defense draft pics. I doubt Gipson was anywhere close to that.
Mingo refused to lift in his pro day or at the Combine, and i am sure if he did, it would be much less than thomas.
I double checked, because I knew I could not trust your stats.
Thomas ran a 4.45 40, Gipson ran a 4.6. Thomas did bench press 28 reps, which is very high for a DB....but Gipson pressed 23 reps, which is also high.
Thomas had a little better vertical leap.
And, FYI, you are full of shit if you don't think Thomas is to be expected to be the eventual starter. Point of fact is NFL.com has him as a strong safety, not a FS. So those two don't even play the same position. Thus....he was taken by the Steelers specifically to be the replacement for Polamalu. He is expected in the future to be a key component of the Steelers defense.
Gipson wasn't expected to be anything but training camp fodder. He got his position with no expectations whatsoever.
Now, if he turns out not to be FS starting material, so be it. Someone better will have to come along and beat him out...and it would merely be what was expected all along. So he is already far "ahead of the game".
Thomas, on the other hand, sits in the same position as McFadden....he is required by virtue of the investment made in him to be good.
I double checked, because I knew I could not trust your stats.
Thomas ran a 4.45 40, Gipson ran a 4.6. Thomas did bench press 28 reps, which is very high for a DB....but Gipson pressed 23 reps, which is also high.
Thomas had a little better vertical leap.
And, FYI, you are full of shit if you don't think Thomas is to be expected to be the eventual starter. Point of fact is NFL.com has him as a strong safety, not a FS. So those two don't even play the same position. Thus....he was taken by the Steelers specifically to be the replacement for Polamalu. He is expected in the future to be a key component of the Steelers defense.
Gipson wasn't expected to be anything but training camp fodder. He got his position with no expectations whatsoever.
Now, if he turns out not to be FS starting material, so be it. Someone better will have to come along and beat him out...and it would merely be what was expected all along. So he is already far "ahead of the game".
Thomas, on the other hand, sits in the same position as McFadden....he is required by virtue of the investment made in him to be good.
Uh, I'm talking about Shamarko Thomas, Pittsburgh's Lombardi draft choice, not Philip Thomas. Shamarko Thomas ran a 4.37 and 4.42 40 at the combine and did 28 reps. Don't know where you got a 4.6 for Gipson, but his Pro Day time was 4.61, slow, but that's about what Kenny Vaccaro ran at the Combine. Also, Thomas did a vertical leap of of over 40 vs. 35 for Gipson. Thomas can really jump.
Re Gipson and cannon fodder, actually, he was a pretty good player in college, he just didn't stand out extraordinarily. When one looks at all the elements surroudning Gipson, I just don't expect him to be an outstanding free ssafety, and I think the Browns need one to capitalize and take advante of hte increased presure on the QB.
Speaking of pressure on the QB, did you know that the Browns last year had the same number of sacks as Horton's ballyhooed pressure defense in Arizona?
And speaking of idiocy, I see your immature friends keep changing my board name. I'm sure it's lots of laughs for their 5 year old minds. In places like Egypt, China, Iran and Syria tyranny is alive and well as a criminal element tries to maintain control and stifle opposing views. On this board, if you are not part of the rah-rah crowd clearly you are treated as evil. But free speech is an American right and Browns fans have a right to express their frustations with management when they feel they are doing wrong and to offer suggestions and warnings.
And if your friends don't stop it, here's a potential storyline for the print and TV news media in Cleveland: "Parents in northeast Ohio are always concenred about what their kids read on the internet. Now we learn that something as innocent looking as a Cleveland Browns chat board, one that is affilaited with the Browns, is filled with vulgarities, suggestive photos and other questionable content that your kids may be viewing. Stay tuned for the story at 6 PM."
Keep it up and you may not have a chat board much longer.
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And speaking of idiocy, I see your immature friends keep changing my board name. I'm sure it's lots of laughs for their 5 year old minds. In places like Egypt, China, Iran and Syria tyranny is alive and well as a criminal element tries to maintain control and stifle opposing views. On this board, if you are not part of the rah-rah crowd clearly you are treated as evil. But free speech is an American right and Browns fans have a right to express their frustations with management when they feel they are doing wrong and to offer suggestions and warnings.
And if your friends don't stop it, here's a potential storyline for the print and TV news media in Cleveland: "Parents in northeast Ohio are always concenred about what their kids read on the internet. Now we learn that something as innocent looking as a Cleveland Browns chat board, one that is affilaited with the Browns, is filled with vulgarities, suggestive photos and other questionable content that your kids may be viewing. Stay tuned for the story at 6 PM."
Keep it up and you may not have a chat board much longer.
And thus ended the Skeptical2013/Assclown/SkepticalOne/Assmunch era.
We'll run the site any damn way we seem fit.
I actually wanted to keep this guy around because, despite his negativity, he was spurring some off-season conversation.
But ... you threaten the site ... you bought your walking papers.
See ya, Asshole.
Admin
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I double checked, because I knew I could not trust your stats.
Thomas ran a 4.45 40, Gipson ran a 4.6. Thomas did bench press 28 reps, which is very high for a DB....but Gipson pressed 23 reps, which is also high.
Thomas had a little better vertical leap.
And, FYI, you are full of shit if you don't think Thomas is to be expected to be the eventual starter. Point of fact is NFL.com has him as a strong safety, not a FS. So those two don't even play the same position. Thus....he was taken by the Steelers specifically to be the replacement for Polamalu. He is expected in the future to be a key component of the Steelers defense.
Gipson wasn't expected to be anything but training camp fodder. He got his position with no expectations whatsoever.
Now, if he turns out not to be FS starting material, so be it. Someone better will have to come along and beat him out...and it would merely be what was expected all along. So he is already far "ahead of the game".
Thomas, on the other hand, sits in the same position as McFadden....he is required by virtue of the investment made in him to be good.
Uh, I'm talking about Shamarko Thomas, Pittsburgh's Lombardi draft choice, not Philip Thomas. Shamarko Thomas ran a 4.37 and 4.42 40 at the combine and did 28 reps. Don't know where you got a 4.6 for Gipson, but his Pro Day time was 4.61, slow, but that's about what Kenny Vaccaro ran at the Combine. Also, Thomas did a vertical leap of of over 40 vs. 35 for Gipson. Thomas can really jump.
Re Gipson and cannon fodder, actually, he was a pretty good player in college, he just didn't stand out extraordinarily. When one looks at all the elements surroudning Gipson, I just don't expect him to be an outstanding free ssafety, and I think the Browns need one to capitalize and take advante of hte increased presure on the QB.
Speaking of pressure on the QB, did you know that the Browns last year had the same number of sacks as Horton's ballyhooed pressure defense in Arizona?
And speaking of idiocy, I see your immature friends keep changing my board name. I'm sure it's lots of laughs for their 5 year old minds. In places like Egypt, China, Iran and Syria tyranny is alive and well as a criminal element tries to maintain control and stifle opposing views. On this board, if you are not part of the rah-rah crowd clearly you are treated as evil. But free speech is an American right and Browns fans have a right to express their frustations with management when they feel they are doing wrong and to offer suggestions and warnings.
And if your friends don't stop it, here's a potential storyline for the print and TV news media in Cleveland: "Parents in northeast Ohio are always concenred about what their kids read on the internet. Now we learn that something as innocent looking as a Cleveland Browns chat board, one that is affilaited with the Browns, is filled with vulgarities, suggestive photos and other questionable content that your kids may be viewing. Stay tuned for the story at 6 PM."
Keep it up and you may not have a chat board much longer.
Uh, I'm talking about Shamarko Thomas, Pittsburgh's Lombardi draft choice, not Philip Thomas.
I was talking about Shamarko Thomas....I may have simply mixed up what school he went too. What school did he go to? Who cares?
Shamarko Thomas ran a 4.37 and 4.42 40 at the combine and did 28 reps. Don't know where you got a 4.6 for Gipson, but his Pro Day time was 4.61, slow,
Are you fucking shitting me AssHat? A 4.61 is a 4.6. I merely slightly rounded. Did you ever take a math class?
but that's about what Kenny Vaccaro ran at the Combine.
And Vaccaro was considered the best Safety available.
Also, Thomas did a vertical leap of of over 40 vs. 35 for Gipson. Thomas can really jump.
Since he is 5 inches shorter than everyone else, he will have to.
Re Gipson and cannon fodder, actually, he was a pretty good player in college, he just didn't stand out extraordinarily. When one looks at all the elements surroudning Gipson, I just don't expect him to be an outstanding free ssafety, and I think the Browns need one to capitalize and take advante of hte increased presure on the QB.
He wasn't considered good enough to be drafted. He was picked up with 20-25 other UDFAs......but he was the one (or two) that was good enough to be kept. So he came from no expectations whatsoever.
Speaking of pressure on the QB, did you know that the Browns last year had the same number of sacks as Horton's ballyhooed pressure defense in Arizona?
I don't recall Arizona being ballyhooed for their pressure defense......I don't recall that they had any decent players on that team that could rush the passer. That may certainly be quite different here with some potential top pass rushers. A coach still has to have players you know.
And speaking of idiocy, I see your immature friends keep changing my board name. I'm sure it's lots of laughs for their 5 year old minds. In places like Egypt, China, Iran and Syria tyranny is alive and well as a criminal element tries to maintain control and stifle opposing views. On this board, if you are not part of the rah-rah crowd clearly you are treated as evil. But free speech is an American right and Browns fans have a right to express their frustations with management when they feel they are doing wrong and to offer suggestions and warnings.
And if your friends don't stop it, here's a potential storyline for the print and TV news media in Cleveland: "Parents in northeast Ohio are always concenred about what their kids read on the internet. Now we learn that something as innocent looking as a Cleveland Browns chat board, one that is affilaited with the Browns, is filled with vulgarities, suggestive photos and other questionable content that your kids may be viewing. Stay tuned for the story at 6 PM."
Keep it up and you may not have a chat board much longer.
First off, take your crybaby whining up with Zombo if you don't like what he did to your name. Also....be aware that Z rarely takes this step. You have to be some kind of pluperfect pain in the ass for Z to get a special name designation from him. You are the first Non-Steeler fan I know to have this happen.
Next....you are quite the contradiction. First you whine about what you say not being given respect....then you complain that we are acting like some dictatorship that is attempting to keep you from exercising your free speech. Then, apparently you turn around and advocate for the repression of free speech.
So what exactly are you? A communist, a fascist, a nudist, a Republican. You want things to be free and open for you....and when they are and you get your ass handed to you in an argument you want the other people here to be silenced..
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And speaking of idiocy, I see your immature friends keep changing my board name. I'm sure it's lots of laughs for their 5 year old minds. In places like Egypt, China, Iran and Syria tyranny is alive and well as a criminal element tries to maintain control and stifle opposing views. On this board, if you are not part of the rah-rah crowd clearly you are treated as evil. But free speech is an American right and Browns fans have a right to express their frustations with management when they feel they are doing wrong and to offer suggestions and warnings.
And if your friends don't stop it, here's a potential storyline for the print and TV news media in Cleveland: "Parents in northeast Ohio are always concenred about what their kids read on the internet. Now we learn that something as innocent looking as a Cleveland Browns chat board, one that is affilaited with the Browns, is filled with vulgarities, suggestive photos and other questionable content that your kids may be viewing. Stay tuned for the story at 6 PM."
Keep it up and you may not have a chat board much longer.
And thus ended the Skeptical2013/Assclown/SkepticalOne/Assmunch era.
We'll run the site any damn way we seem fit.
I actually wanted to keep this guy around because, despite his negativity, he was spurring some off-season conversation.
But ... you threaten the site ... you bought your walking papers.
See ya, Asshole.
Admin
And thus ended the Skeptical2013/Assclown/SkepticalOne/Assmunch era.
We'll run the site any damn way we seem fit.
I actually wanted to keep this guy around because, despite his negativity, he was spurring some off-season conversation.
But ... you threaten the site ... you bought your walking papers.
See ya, Asshole.
Admin
I guess the guy wanted some kind of Orwellian Society....but he wanted to play the role of Big Brother and try to bring the thought police down here.
Yes, the guy made points......incessantly, infernally, eternally, continuously, repeatedly.
Sure, fine, we don't know if the Browns DBs are going to be all that great.....but he felt that he KNEW that they weren't. And everybody elses team was definitely better than the Browns. Well, sure, they have been for a few years....but maybe not now.
State your piece, make your argument, and move on. Some will agree with you, others won't. TCPO agreed with him, OK....but he wasn't totally obnixious about it to the point of anhialation (sp?)
Honestly, my opinion wasn't that I disagreed with him.....but that he was so disagreeable that you felt the necessity to disagree with him.
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