Alex Tanney signed as backup QB
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Who knows, maybe he is another Kurt Warner who goes from filling grocery bags while waiting for anotther chance to one of the top QB's in the league.
I too thought about this. That would be nice. Is Monmouth any worse than say Northern Iowa from whence came Warner.
Or Eastern Illinois that Romo came from?
Dave Kreig, who is 15th in career passing yards went to Milton College....a small school that doesn't exist anymore.
Jim Hart: Southern Illinois
Ken Anderson: Augustana
McNair: Alcorn A&M
Jim Zorn: Cal Poly Pomona
Charley Johnson: New Mex. St.
Jack Kemp: Occidental
Neil Lomax: Portland st.
Arnie Herber (HOF QB for Packers): Regis College
Ken O'Brien: Sacramento St.
Ron Jaworski: Youngstown St..
Point is, over history some pretty good QBs came from some very much NON football factories.
Who knows, maybe he is another Kurt Warner who goes from filling grocery bags while waiting for anotther chance to one of the top QB's in the league.
I too thought about this. That would be nice. Is Monmouth any worse than say Northern Iowa from whence came Warner.
Or Eastern Illinois that Romo came from?
Dave Kreig, who is 15th in career passing yards went to Milton College....a small school that doesn't exist anymore.
Jim Hart: Southern Illinois
Ken Anderson: Augustana
McNair: Alcorn A&M
Jim Zorn: Cal Poly Pomona
Charley Johnson: New Mex. St.
Jack Kemp: Occidental
Neil Lomax: Portland st.
Arnie Herber (HOF QB for Packers): Regis College
Ken O'Brien: Sacramento St.
Ron Jaworski: Youngstown St..
Point is, over history some pretty good QBs came from some very much NON football factories.
This just shows how easy it was to be a QB in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
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Who knows, maybe he is another Kurt Warner who goes from filling grocery bags while waiting for anotther chance to one of the top QB's in the league.
I too thought about this. That would be nice. Is Monmouth any worse than say Northern Iowa from whence came Warner.
Or Eastern Illinois that Romo came from?
Dave Kreig, who is 15th in career passing yards went to Milton College....a small school that doesn't exist anymore.
Jim Hart: Southern Illinois
Ken Anderson: Augustana
McNair: Alcorn A&M
Jim Zorn: Cal Poly Pomona
Charley Johnson: New Mex. St.
Jack Kemp: Occidental
Neil Lomax: Portland st.
Arnie Herber (HOF QB for Packers): Regis College
Ken O'Brien: Sacramento St.
Ron Jaworski: Youngstown St..
Point is, over history some pretty good QBs came from some very much NON football factories.
This just shows how easy it was to be a QB in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
This just shows how easy it was to be a QB in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Yeah, it was simple.
Actually there were less NFL spots, but they found QBs from more obscure colleges because they were looking for pro style QBs. Your big schools, Oklahoma, USC, Big Ten etc were all run-oriented systems back then.
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IIRC, this is the same kid we had a big fuss over a year or so ago. I was of the mind- with a little help from CGI, damn near anything is (apparently) possible. Though those with movie making skills insisted those tricks were legit, and not doctored up. I have to wonder though.Our old pal Bernie Kosar was noted for his deep ball accuracy- and the big name (we're talking Bern, Kelly, and Marino) NFL qbs used to have a cookout, with a little friendly competition tossing the rock through a tire 30 yards away. Even they couldn't go 10 for 10, so this kid can hit a goalpost 50 yards away, (way harder) and go 5 for five landing the ball in garbage cans at a mighty respectable distance? How many tries did it take?
I have to ^ Gip. Weeden could bust clay pigeons with no one in his face, his accuracy sort of went to hell in a live game when you only have about a second (or less) to line up your pass. Hey kid, in the NFL, your have 5 garbage cans moving in different directions, and 11 other guys who want to take your head off- just ask Jason Campbell for a few pointers on that one. Cowboys didn't have him on the active roster they were so impressed with his trick pass skills- take it FWIW.
Well, with Weeden standing back there like a sitting duck taking forever to get rid of the ball, we just might see Browns qb #21 in action.
Hoorta, i can't tell from your post.... Either you want him to play or you don't. Which is it? i want him to play.
Hoorta, i can't tell from your post.... Either you want him to play or you don't. Which is it? i want him to play.
Well, right now, I'd take about any D III quarterback over We-done. See below.
As long as he can do it with 500lbs of pass rush in his face, we're golden.
That's what I'm talking about Roach. OK- I'm convinced- with zero pressure on him, the kid can throw a football with more accuracy than any human being on the planet. However, though extreme accuracy under no pressure conditions is a nice attribute, we've seen with We-done it takes way more than that to be a top level starting quarterback in the NFL. Like how long does it take him to load up that amazing accuracy? He won't have 5 seconds in the NFL to toss those 50 yard rainbows to Gordon. I'll let TCPO comment on his mechanics- does he have that Marino hair trigger release, or we seeing a sloooow windup before the pitch? How fast can he read a pro defense? Peyton Manning can do that in about 0.2 seconds, We-done can't do it in 2.0
Like I said, in the NFL you're not looking at just one target- on a lot of plays, you may have five, all moving in different directions- and BTW- have to keep 1\2 an eye where those 300 pound uglies from the other team are that want to squash you.Who knows? The kid could be another Brian Hoyer gem in hiding- but you have to wonder- if he was all that and a bag of chips, the Cowboys would have protected him on the regular roster. Garrett used to be a college and NFL qb- you'd think he'd have seen gold dust if it was there.
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Who knows, maybe he is another Kurt Warner who goes from filling grocery bags while waiting for anotther chance to one of the top QB's in the league.
I too thought about this. That would be nice. Is Monmouth any worse than say Northern Iowa from whence came Warner.
Or Eastern Illinois that Romo came from?
Dave Kreig, who is 15th in career passing yards went to Milton College....a small school that doesn't exist anymore.
Jim Hart: Southern Illinois
Ken Anderson: Augustana
McNair: Alcorn A&M
Jim Zorn: Cal Poly Pomona
Charley Johnson: New Mex. St.
Jack Kemp: Occidental
Neil Lomax: Portland st.
Arnie Herber (HOF QB for Packers): Regis College
Ken O'Brien: Sacramento St.
Ron Jaworski: Youngstown St..
Point is, over history some pretty good QBs came from some very much NON football factories.
This just shows how easy it was to be a QB in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
This just shows how easy it was to be a QB in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Well, small schools probably show up just as much now as well:
Delaware....Flacco....last time I looked he was SB MVP
Sam Houston.....McCown...filling in for Cutler (of Vanderbilt, no less)
Eastern Illinois.....Romo
Harvard.....Fitzpatrick....maybe we should look for Ivy Leaguers, they are supposedly the smartest guys around.
Nevada....Kaepernick
Miami, Oh...Ben R.
All of these are considered basically "small schools"
Perhaps we should go with a QB from these schools, who already have a couple of NFL starters:
Michigan....Brady/Henne (do you want Devin Gardner?)
Wisconsin....Tolzien and Russell Wilson
NC State...Rivers and Glennon....but Wilson went here too, so maybe he should count for them.
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This just shows how easy it was to be a QB in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Well, small schools probably show up just as much now as well:
Delaware....Flacco....last time I looked he was SB MVP
Sam Houston.....McCown...filling in for Cutler (of Vanderbilt, no less)
Eastern Illinois.....Romo
Harvard.....Fitzpatrick....maybe we should look for Ivy Leaguers, they are supposedly the smartest guys around.
Nevada....Kaepernick
Miami, Oh...Ben R.
All of these are considered basically "small schools"
Perhaps we should go with a QB from these schools, who already have a couple of NFL starters:
Michigan....Brady/Henne (do you want Devin Gardner?)
Wisconsin....Tolzien and Russell Wilson
NC State...Rivers and Glennon....but Wilson went here too, so maybe he should count for them.
Well, small schools probably show up just as much now as well:
Delaware....Flacco....last time I looked he was SB MVP
Sam Houston.....McCown...filling in for Cutler (of Vanderbilt, no less)
Eastern Illinois.....Romo
Harvard.....Fitzpatrick....maybe we should look for Ivy Leaguers, they are supposedly the smartest guys around.
Nevada....Kaepernick
Miami, Oh...Ben R.
All of these are considered basically "small schools"
Perhaps we should go with a QB from these schools, who already have a couple of NFL starters:
Michigan....Brady/Henne (do you want Devin Gardner?)
Wisconsin....Tolzien and Russell Wilson
NC State...Rivers and Glennon....but Wilson went here too, so maybe he should count for them.
The point I was making is that, in a run oriented league where it was routine to have 8 (even 9) in the box, a smart QB with even marginal talent could have made mince meat of defenses through the air.
Now, it's different. QB's are attending passing camps and 7 on 7 workshops from middle school. They're playing in offenses throwing the ball 40+ times per game, every game, from B-Team football all the way until their senior year of college. By the time a QB reaches the combine, they've thrown somewhere in the vicinity of 5,000 passes in games. That's not including the 60-70 throws in practice every day.
In high school, our QB coach had our QB's throw 30 passes before they could even put on their pads.
Today's QB's are truly experts. Only the best of the best even make it to the league, and only the top 10% of those find any sort of success.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Well, small schools probably show up just as much now as well:
Delaware....Flacco....last time I looked he was SB MVP
Sam Houston.....McCown...filling in for Cutler (of Vanderbilt, no less)
Eastern Illinois.....Romo
Harvard.....Fitzpatrick....maybe we should look for Ivy Leaguers, they are supposedly the smartest guys around.
Nevada....Kaepernick
Miami, Oh...Ben R.
All of these are considered basically "small schools"
Perhaps we should go with a QB from these schools, who already have a couple of NFL starters:
Michigan....Brady/Henne (do you want Devin Gardner?)
Wisconsin....Tolzien and Russell Wilson
NC State...Rivers and Glennon....but Wilson went here too, so maybe he should count for them.
The point I was making is that, in a run oriented league where it was routine to have 8 (even 9) in the box, a smart QB with even marginal talent could have made mince meat of defenses through the air.
Now, it's different. QB's are attending passing camps and 7 on 7 workshops from middle school. They're playing in offenses throwing the ball 40+ times per game, every game, from B-Team football all the way until their senior year of college. By the time a QB reaches the combine, they've thrown somewhere in the vicinity of 5,000 passes in games. That's not including the 60-70 throws in practice every day.
In high school, our QB coach had our QB's throw 30 passes before they could even put on their pads.
Today's QB's are truly experts. Only the best of the best even make it to the league, and only the top 10% of those find any sort of success.
The point I was making is that, in a run oriented league where it was routine to have 8 (even 9) in the box, a smart QB with even marginal talent could have made mince meat of defenses through the air.
Now, it's different. QB's are attending passing camps and 7 on 7 workshops from middle school. They're playing in offenses throwing the ball 40+ times per game, every game, from B-Team football all the way until their senior year of college. By the time a QB reaches the combine, they've thrown somewhere in the vicinity of 5,000 passes in games. That's not including the 60-70 throws in practice every day.
In high school, our QB coach had our QB's throw 30 passes before they could even put on their pads.
Today's QB's are truly experts. Only the best of the best even make it to the league, and only the top 10% of those find any sort of success.
I thought the point you were making was that a QB from a smaller profile school could make it back in the 70s/80s....but could not do so now. Was that not your point?
If not, then my counter of : Flacco/Delaware, Romo/E. Illinois, McCown/Sam Houston St.. Roethlisberger/Miami Oh. etc. would have been misdirected, no?
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The point I was making is that, in a run oriented league where it was routine to have 8 (even 9) in the box, a smart QB with even marginal talent could have made mince meat of defenses through the air.
Now, it's different. QB's are attending passing camps and 7 on 7 workshops from middle school. They're playing in offenses throwing the ball 40+ times per game, every game, from B-Team football all the way until their senior year of college. By the time a QB reaches the combine, they've thrown somewhere in the vicinity of 5,000 passes in games. That's not including the 60-70 throws in practice every day.
In high school, our QB coach had our QB's throw 30 passes before they could even put on their pads.
Today's QB's are truly experts. Only the best of the best even make it to the league, and only the top 10% of those find any sort of success.
I thought the point you were making was that a QB from a smaller profile school could make it back in the 70s/80s....but could not do so now. Was that not your point?
If not, then my counter of : Flacco/Delaware, Romo/E. Illinois, McCown/Sam Houston St.. Roethlisberger/Miami Oh. etc. would have been misdirected, no?
I thought the point you were making was that a QB from a smaller profile school could make it back in the 70s/80s....but could not do so now. Was that not your point?
If not, then my counter of : Flacco/Delaware, Romo/E. Illinois, McCown/Sam Houston St.. Roethlisberger/Miami Oh. etc. would have been misdirected, no?
It's included in the point. It was much easier to be a QB in the running era, therefore QB's coming from smaller schools had a much easier time making it than they do nowadays.
McCown is hardly "making it", and even still he was taken in the third round. Roethlisberger was a first round pick. Yes, technically a "smaller school QB", but he was recognized early as being a great talent. Hardly flying under the radar. Same for Flacco.
Tony Romo does fit. A UDFA from a FCS school, nobody expected him to be a franchise QB. I maintain that he still isn't one, but that's an argument for a later date.
It's much tougher to be a QB in the NFL in 2013 than it was in 1973. These guys are superior athletic talents, honing their QB skills from a young age. Add to that the fact that scouting in 1973 was a joke, and it all points to the fact that it's much harder for a guy to fall through the cracks now. Good talent is recognized. Sometimes early, sometimes late, but it still tends to be recognized.
The internet age makes scouting a breeze. If you know what you're looking for and have access to game tape, you can be a scout. I can scout hundreds of players without leaving this Starbucks.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Alex Tanney once beat Caleb Hanie at yahtzee
No. We don't do that to Alex Tanney. Only Caleb Hanie.
You don't taint Alex Tanney.
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I thought the point you were making was that a QB from a smaller profile school could make it back in the 70s/80s....but could not do so now. Was that not your point?
If not, then my counter of : Flacco/Delaware, Romo/E. Illinois, McCown/Sam Houston St.. Roethlisberger/Miami Oh. etc. would have been misdirected, no?
It's included in the point. It was much easier to be a QB in the running era, therefore QB's coming from smaller schools had a much easier time making it than they do nowadays.
McCown is hardly "making it", and even still he was taken in the third round. Roethlisberger was a first round pick. Yes, technically a "smaller school QB", but he was recognized early as being a great talent. Hardly flying under the radar. Same for Flacco.
Tony Romo does fit. A UDFA from a FCS school, nobody expected him to be a franchise QB. I maintain that he still isn't one, but that's an argument for a later date.
It's much tougher to be a QB in the NFL in 2013 than it was in 1973. These guys are superior athletic talents, honing their QB skills from a young age. Add to that the fact that scouting in 1973 was a joke, and it all points to the fact that it's much harder for a guy to fall through the cracks now. Good talent is recognized. Sometimes early, sometimes late, but it still tends to be recognized.
The internet age makes scouting a breeze. If you know what you're looking for and have access to game tape, you can be a scout. I can scout hundreds of players without leaving this Starbucks.
It's much tougher to be a QB in the NFL in 2013 than it was in 1973. These guys are superior athletic talents, honing their QB skills from a young age. Add to that the fact that scouting in 1973 was a joke, and it all points to the fact that it's much harder for a guy to fall through the cracks now. Good talent is recognized. Sometimes early, sometimes late, but it still tends to be recognized.The internet age makes scouting a breeze. If you know what you're looking for and have access to game tape, you can be a scout. I can scout hundreds of players without leaving this Starbucks.
Scouting is a breeze in the Internet age? So much improved? Have to disagree. If that were the case there would be zero busts in the first round. Still happens.
So the Browns major failing 1999 on is their assorted FOs and scouting departments can't recognize talent from a hole in the ground. Yup, so easy a Caveman with Internet access can do it. Thanks H & H for giving us Richardson and We-done.
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It's much tougher to be a QB in the NFL in 2013 than it was in 1973. These guys are superior athletic talents, honing their QB skills from a young age. Add to that the fact that scouting in 1973 was a joke, and it all points to the fact that it's much harder for a guy to fall through the cracks now. Good talent is recognized. Sometimes early, sometimes late, but it still tends to be recognized.
The internet age makes scouting a breeze. If you know what you're looking for and have access to game tape, you can be a scout. I can scout hundreds of players without leaving this Starbucks.
Scouting is a breeze in the Internet age? So much improved? Have to disagree. If that were the case there would be zero busts in the first round. Still happens.
So the Browns major failing 1999 on is their assorted FOs and scouting departments can't recognize talent from a hole in the ground. Yup, so easy a Caveman with Internet access can do it. Thanks H & H for giving us Richardson and We-done.
Scouting is a breeze in the Internet age? So much improved? Have to disagree. If that were the case there would be zero busts in the first round. Still happens.
So the Browns major failing 1999 on is their assorted FOs and scouting departments can't recognize talent from a hole in the ground. Yup, so easy a Caveman with Internet access can do it. Thanks H & H for giving us Richardson and We-done.
There's far more busts than there are players with talent that fall through the cracks.
A bust is a bust is a bust. There's nothing you can do to really predict who will bust. Players with the best measurables, best intangibles, coming from the best college programs, turn out to be busts and all for different reasons. Trent Richardson being a bust is completely different than Ryan Leaf being a bust is completely different than Mark Sanchez being a bust.
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Finally was able to watch the trick shot video. Got to say that is some cool shit. Don't know how he will pan out as a QB but I'm willing to give him a try.
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It's kind of the Lombardi M.O.....bring in a young guy who has some talent and give it a look. Maybe you hit on a winner. The older players are pretty well established in what they can do. Now the kid gets 5 games this season and heads in to next season.
Who knows, maybe he is another Kurt Warner who goes from filling grocery bags while waiting for anotther chance to one of the top QB's in the league.
I don't mind long shots at the bottom of the roster and am impressed with the way the team has treated the bottom of the roster. We've made a lot of moves with those last 10 players....and I like it. Do it enough and you are going to pluck a gem every now and then.
We may have plucked one in Rainey, but the coaching staff didn't give it enough of a chance to shine.
Not blaming them, just pointing out the reality.
I doubt Rainey is a real talent. TB has seen success from multiple backs this year.
It makes me really wonder if Muscle Hamster is as good as he seems, or if it's the system.
He may have sucked for us too.
I think Taney's ultimate job is in the Browns' publicity department...
It makes me really wonder if Muscle Hamster is as good as he seems, or if it's the system. He may have sucked for us too.
Hard to know, but if it's the latter... why don't we have one of those systems?
Does anyone think this kid could have "it"?
Could? Yes... Does? No...
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And 1 position will not make or break a great team.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Tampa Bay has two of the best guards in the NFL.
Or a bad one.
WSS
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And 1 position will not make or break a great team.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Tampa Bay has two of the best guards in the NFL.
Or a bad one.
WSS
And 1 position will not make or break a great team.
Or a bad one.
WSS
But having 2 good players out of 3 helps the interior run game.
That's the point.
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And 1 position will not make or break a great team.
Or a bad one.
WSS
But having 2 good players out of 3 helps the interior run game.
That's the point.
But having 2 good players out of 3 helps the interior run game.
That's the point.
It seemed to me that the point was to let everyone who wanted to draft a guard know that Tampa Bay has good cards and they still suck. I didn't really see anything else in the post so who knows...
WSS
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But having 2 good players out of 3 helps the interior run game.
That's the point.
It seemed to me that the point was to let everyone who wanted to draft a guard know that Tampa Bay has good cards and they still suck. I didn't really see anything else in the post so who knows...
WSS
It seemed to me that the point was to let everyone who wanted to draft a guard know that Tampa Bay has good cards and they still suck. I didn't really see anything else in the post so who knows...
WSS
I assumed the point was to show that when you have two good guards, you can have three different RB's have 200 yard games.
TB has about 25 different reasons why they suck.
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It seemed to me that the point was to let everyone who wanted to draft a guard know that Tampa Bay has good cards and they still suck. I didn't really see anything else in the post so who knows...
WSS
I assumed the point was to show that when you have two good guards, you can have three different RB's have 200 yard games.
TB has about 25 different reasons why they suck.
that was the point. Tampa started off terribly because of bad QB play and horrible defense.I assumed the point was to show that when you have two good guards, you can have three different RB's have 200 yard games.
TB has about 25 different reasons why they suck.
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god damn finally someone gets it.
fuck all you 'one player makes the team', motherfuckers. if that was the case tim couch would've taken us to the superbowl.
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