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  • calfoxwc C Dedicated Very Popular Conversation Starter Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Reacting Well Week One Done One Year In One Month Later
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    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    I think it was SBnation that had the Browns drafting

    Manziel (NO !!!)...

    and Devante Adams, wr.

    Interesting to note, that the same site features an article about

    the top 6 "destined to fail" players in the draft.

    Manziel was #1. Seriously.

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      miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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      and we all love CBS sports as our authority?

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        So, narrow it down to possible? Browns picks:

        1 Teddy BridgewaterQB 1 Louisville Jr 6-3,205

        3 Anthony Barr OLB 1 UCLA Sr 6-4 248 1

        5 Sammy Watkins WR 1 Clemson Jr 6-1 205 1

        6 Khalil Mack OLB 2 Buffalo rSr 6-3 248 1

        8 Mike Evans WR 2 Texas A&M rSo 6-5 225

        10 Derek Carr QB 2 Fresno State rSr 6-3 215

        12 Johnny Manziel QB 3 Texas A&M rSo 5-11 210

        14 C.J. Mosley OLB 3 Alabama Sr 6-2 232 1

        16 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB 1 Oregon Jr 5-10 185 1

        17 Jace Amaro TE 1 Texas Tech Jr 6-5 260

        18 Marqise Lee WR 3 SoCalifornia Jr 6-0 195

        19 Ryan Shazier OLB 4 Ohio State Jr 6-2 230

        20 Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State Sr 5-11 197

        21 David Yankey OG 1 Stanford rJr 6-5 314

        24 Eric Ebron TE 2 North Carolina Jr 6-4 245

        25 Davante Adams WR 4 Fresno State rSo 6-2 205

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        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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        @calfoxwc said:

        So, narrow it down to possible? Browns picks:

        1 Teddy BridgewaterQB 1 Louisville Jr 6-3,205

        3 Anthony Barr OLB 1 UCLA Sr 6-4 248 1

        5 Sammy Watkins WR 1 Clemson Jr 6-1 205 1

        6 Khalil Mack OLB 2 Buffalo rSr 6-3 248 1

        8 Mike Evans WR 2 Texas A&M rSo 6-5 225

        10 Derek Carr QB 2 Fresno State rSr 6-3 215

        12 Johnny Manziel QB 3 Texas A&M rSo 5-11 210

        14 C.J. Mosley OLB 3 Alabama Sr 6-2 232 1

        16 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB 1 Oregon Jr 5-10 185 1

        17 Jace Amaro TE 1 Texas Tech Jr 6-5 260

        18 Marqise Lee WR 3 SoCalifornia Jr 6-0 195

        19 Ryan Shazier OLB 4 Ohio State Jr 6-2 230

        20 Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State Sr 5-11 197

        21 David Yankey OG 1 Stanford rJr 6-5 314

        24 Eric Ebron TE 2 North Carolina Jr 6-4 245

        25 Davante Adams WR 4 Fresno State rSo 6-2 205

        The ones in red are where I wouldn't mind seeing them go, though I am not sure about the CB.

        They have Shazier listed as an OLB....but he has played primarily inside all year long.

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          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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          Knowing Lombardi, he will probably draft some guy that is projected to be a 4th-5th rounder in the Top Ten just to try to prove how smart he is.....that he knows more than everyone else. (and yet that pick will be come a complete bust....like so many of his in history)

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            koalabazookaK koalabazooka wrote on last edited by
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            I'll puke if Manziel gets picked that high.

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              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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              Right now the Browns would be slated into the 22d or 23rd slot with the Colts pick. It is possible that the likes of Lee, Yanke, Shazier could be gone. Where do you go then?

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                Right now the Browns would be slated into the 22d or 23rd slot with the Colts pick. It is possible that the likes of Lee, Yanke, Shazier could be gone. Where do you go then?

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                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                @the-gipper said:

                Right now the Browns would be slated into the 22d or 23rd slot with the Colts pick. It is possible that the likes of Lee, Yanke, Shazier could be gone. Where do you go then?

                BPA. If it ends up being a TE then fine, another receiver is something we're lacking. If it's a pass rusher, fine. If it's a tackle, fine.

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                  miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                  yeah they did the BPA a couple of years ago looking for their RT in schwartz.

                  how has that worked out for them?

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                    yeah they did the BPA a couple of years ago looking for their RT in schwartz.

                    how has that worked out for them?

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                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                    @miktoxic said:

                    yeah they did the BPA a couple of years ago looking for their RT in schwartz.

                    how has that worked out for them?

                    So, what, don't draft the best player available?

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                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                      Schwartz has had good days, and bad days. He isn't

                      a Joe Thomas. He has the feet, and can get the strength. I wonder

                      if he has been playing banged up...

                      He has shoved back to the qb...but a -smart- qb would see the field, and make a decision,

                      and get rid of the ball. So, a bad qb will make the line look a lot worse than it is, relating

                      a bit to what Shep has said about it. Without Hoyer in there, that is the case, more than anything else. But Lauvao... he isn't agile enough to be a good pass defender, regardless of who the qb is.

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                        C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                        Referring to Gip's question - here's the next set of the list, which again, is just a list

                        for the sake of discussion. Nobody is going to think this IS the list:

                        For that second first, with the players the Browns would want to pick.. gone,

                        they would "reach" for another player they know will be a great fit, and

                        the second round pick would probly also be from this list. Maybe.

                        26 Justin Gilbert CB 3 Oklahoma State Sr 6-0 200 1-2

                        28 Cedric Ogbuehi OT 5 Texas A&M rJr 6-5 300 1-2

                        29 Cyril Richardson OG 2 Baylor rSr 6-5 340 1-2

                        30 Travis Swanson C 1 Arkansas rSr 6-4 318 1-2

                        31 Jordan Matthews WR 5 Vanderbilt Sr 6-3 205 1-2

                        32 Hasean Clinton-DixInjured FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 208 1-2

                        33 Jason Verrett CB 4 TCU Sr 5-10 176 1-2

                        34 Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE 3 Washington Jr 6-6 276 1-2

                        35 Brandin Cooks WR 6 Oregon State Jr 5-10 186 1-2

                        37 Kyle Van Noy OLB 5 Brigham Young rSr 6-3 235 1-2

                        38 Antonio Richardson OT 6 Tennessee Jr 6-6 327 1-2

                        39 Zack Martin OG 3 Notre Dame rSr 6-4 308 1-2

                        41 Brett Hundley QB 4 UCLA rSo 6-3 222 1-2

                        42 Brandon Scherff OT 7 Iowa rJr 6-5 315 1-2

                        43 Ka'Deem Carey RB 2 Arizona Jr 5-10 207 2

                        44 Allen Robinson WR 7 Penn State Jr 6-3 210 2

                        45 Bradley Roby CB 5 Ohio State rJr 5-11 192 2

                        46 *Xavier Su'a-Filo OG 4 UCLA rJr 6-3 305 2

                        47 Ego Ferguson DT 4 LSU rJr 6-2 309 2

                        48 Melvin Gordon RB 1 Wisconsin rSo 6-1 207 2

                        49 Lamarcus Joyner CB 6 Florida State Sr 5-8 190 2

                        50 La'el Collins OT 8 LSU Jr 6-5 315 2

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                          Schwartz has had good days, and bad days. He isn't

                          a Joe Thomas. He has the feet, and can get the strength. I wonder

                          if he has been playing banged up...

                          He has shoved back to the qb...but a -smart- qb would see the field, and make a decision,

                          and get rid of the ball. So, a bad qb will make the line look a lot worse than it is, relating

                          a bit to what Shep has said about it. Without Hoyer in there, that is the case, more than anything else. But Lauvao... he isn't agile enough to be a good pass defender, regardless of who the qb is.

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                          miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          Schwartz has had good days, and bad days. He isn't

                          a Joe Thomas. He has the feet, and can get the strength. I wonder

                          if he has been playing banged up...

                          He has shoved back to the qb...but a -smart- qb would see the field, and make a decision,

                          and get rid of the ball. So, a bad qb will make the line look a lot worse than it is, relating

                          a bit to what Shep has said about it. Without Hoyer in there, that is the case, more than anything else. But Lauvao... he isn't agile enough to be a good pass defender, regardless of who the qb is.

                          not saying i hate the guy....maybe he'd be 2nd string to a REAL RT.

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                            yeah they did the BPA a couple of years ago looking for their RT in schwartz.

                            how has that worked out for them?

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                            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                            @miktoxic said:

                            yeah they did the BPA a couple of years ago looking for their RT in schwartz.

                            how has that worked out for them?

                            I think The Schwartz will be OK. He has had somewhat of a sophomore slump, but that position is one of the least of our worries. Obviously QB/RB/OG/ILB maybe WR are more priority.

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                              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                              One other concern to think about: Who might the Browns lose in FA? According to USA Today sports the Browns don't have a single FA coming up this offseason. I find that a bit hard to believe.

                              Does anyone know differently? I though both Mack and Ward were potentially up.

                              It would be hell to try to replace those guys in the draft with all the Browns other concerns.

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                                thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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                                Standing pat:

                                I'd like Derek Carr (1a) & Eric Ebron or Davonte Adams (1b)

                                (Or even better Jace Amaro or Marquise Lee if our Colts pick was a little higher than I'm thinking)

                                #Justsayin'
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                                  One other concern to think about: Who might the Browns lose in FA? According to USA Today sports the Browns don't have a single FA coming up this offseason. I find that a bit hard to believe.

                                  Does anyone know differently? I though both Mack and Ward were potentially up.

                                  It would be hell to try to replace those guys in the draft with all the Browns other concerns.

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                                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  One other concern to think about: Who might the Browns lose in FA? According to USA Today sports the Browns don't have a single FA coming up this offseason. I find that a bit hard to believe.

                                  Does anyone know differently? I though both Mack and Ward were potentially up.

                                  It would be hell to try to replace those guys in the draft with all the Browns other concerns.

                                  Yep, Ward & Mack are FAs at the end of this year, along with some other scrubs. Since they were both draft picks, maybe they're ERFA? Not sure how that all works.

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                                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                    The Browns are going to be very shrewd about this draft.

                                    If the guy they want is Carr or Bridgewater, they'll pick their qb

                                    with the first 1st rounder.

                                    Otherwise, they will pick another position, and nab a

                                    Garoppolo, for instance, with the second 1st rounder. I don't see them

                                    waiting til their second pick. A couple of qb's may very well go there

                                    at the top of the second. It's that kind of qb draft.

                                    I haven't given much thought to ILB, but if Jackson gets banged up...

                                    big trouble. So Gip mentioned a guy who is listed as a OLB... but played ILB...

                                    that is serious food for thought.

                                    Quality depth at other positions will, obviously, determine the draft to a point.

                                    Yes, I feel like a knucklehead for talking the draft so soon. But it beats

                                    whining about our pitiful qb/wr/cb situation.

                                    BTW, Owens is hurt, if I remember correctiy. A cb is a must in the top three rounds, probabaly

                                    the third. An OG is also a must, not considering FA. The 340 lb is a thought, if he can

                                    move a lot quicker than Lauvao.

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                                      The Browns are going to be very shrewd about this draft.

                                      If the guy they want is Carr or Bridgewater, they'll pick their qb

                                      with the first 1st rounder.

                                      Otherwise, they will pick another position, and nab a

                                      Garoppolo, for instance, with the second 1st rounder. I don't see them

                                      waiting til their second pick. A couple of qb's may very well go there

                                      at the top of the second. It's that kind of qb draft.

                                      I haven't given much thought to ILB, but if Jackson gets banged up...

                                      big trouble. So Gip mentioned a guy who is listed as a OLB... but played ILB...

                                      that is serious food for thought.

                                      Quality depth at other positions will, obviously, determine the draft to a point.

                                      Yes, I feel like a knucklehead for talking the draft so soon. But it beats

                                      whining about our pitiful qb/wr/cb situation.

                                      BTW, Owens is hurt, if I remember correctiy. A cb is a must in the top three rounds, probabaly

                                      the third. An OG is also a must, not considering FA. The 340 lb is a thought, if he can

                                      move a lot quicker than Lauvao.

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                                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                      @calfoxwc said:

                                      The Browns are going to be very shrewd about this draft.

                                      If the guy they want is Carr or Bridgewater, they'll pick their qb

                                      with the first 1st rounder.

                                      Otherwise, they will pick another position, and nab a

                                      Garoppolo, for instance, with the second 1st rounder. I don't see them

                                      waiting til their second pick. A couple of qb's may very well go there

                                      at the top of the second. It's that kind of qb draft.

                                      I haven't given much thought to ILB, but if Jackson gets banged up...

                                      big trouble. So Gip mentioned a guy who is listed as a OLB... but played ILB...

                                      that is serious food for thought.

                                      Quality depth at other positions will, obviously, determine the draft to a point.

                                      Yes, I feel like a knucklehead for talking the draft so soon. But it beats

                                      whining about our pitiful qb/wr/cb situation.

                                      BTW, Owens is hurt, if I remember correctiy. A cb is a must in the top three rounds, probabaly

                                      the third. An OG is also a must, not considering FA. The 340 lb is a thought, if he can

                                      move a lot quicker than Lauvao.

                                      On the CB position, Leon McFadden is going to be thrown in there to see what kind of stones he has. If he does well perhaps we won't need that early round CB.

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                                        @the-gipper said:

                                        One other concern to think about: Who might the Browns lose in FA? According to USA Today sports the Browns don't have a single FA coming up this offseason. I find that a bit hard to believe.

                                        Does anyone know differently? I though both Mack and Ward were potentially up.

                                        It would be hell to try to replace those guys in the draft with all the Browns other concerns.

                                        Yep, Ward & Mack are FAs at the end of this year, along with some other scrubs. Since they were both draft picks, maybe they're ERFA? Not sure how that all works.

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                                        thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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                                        @gftchris said:

                                        Yep, Ward & Mack are FAs at the end of this year, along with some other scrubs. Since they were both draft picks, maybe they're ERFA? Not sure how that all works.

                                        Ward & Mack will be unrestricted FAs, so we will re-sign one, and possible franchise the other... I could see re-signing Ward and tagging Mack for one year.

                                        Robertson is also a FA, but he is a ERFA meaning we can offer him a veteran minimum and he can either accept it or retire...

                                        The rest of our FAs can leave resulting in no additional holes on our roster b/c none of them are irreplaceable. Biggest one is maybe Lauvao, but not really concerned with him leaving as he needs upgraded anyway.

                                        #Justsayin'
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                                          @calfoxwc said:

                                          The Browns are going to be very shrewd about this draft.

                                          If the guy they want is Carr or Bridgewater, they'll pick their qb

                                          with the first 1st rounder.

                                          Otherwise, they will pick another position, and nab a

                                          Garoppolo, for instance, with the second 1st rounder. I don't see them

                                          waiting til their second pick. A couple of qb's may very well go there

                                          at the top of the second. It's that kind of qb draft.

                                          I haven't given much thought to ILB, but if Jackson gets banged up...

                                          big trouble. So Gip mentioned a guy who is listed as a OLB... but played ILB...

                                          that is serious food for thought.

                                          Quality depth at other positions will, obviously, determine the draft to a point.

                                          Yes, I feel like a knucklehead for talking the draft so soon. But it beats

                                          whining about our pitiful qb/wr/cb situation.

                                          BTW, Owens is hurt, if I remember correctiy. A cb is a must in the top three rounds, probabaly

                                          the third. An OG is also a must, not considering FA. The 340 lb is a thought, if he can

                                          move a lot quicker than Lauvao.

                                          On the CB position, Leon McFadden is going to be thrown in there to see what kind of stones he has. If he does well perhaps we won't need that early round CB.

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                                          miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                                          @the-gipper said:

                                          On the CB position, Leon McFadden is going to be thrown in there to see what kind of stones he has. If he does well perhaps we won't need that early round CB.

                                          what's up with mcfadden?

                                          is he hurt or he just can't make the cut to starter?

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