What if the FO doesn't see a franchise qb in this draft?
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Bilgewater would be a moron to stay in school and risk a knee injury that would cost him literally millions of dollars.
WSS
well then you have to call clowney and his agent morons for doing the same this year. even though he powdered-puffed his play down.
for once i agee with xxxbuckeye fan. trade for mallet. the dude is good. and let him and hoyer battle it out in training camp.
mallet is like brady or rodgers....a star waiting to start but will only get the chance on his team until the golden boy goes down like couch did for five years.
well then you have to call clowney and his agent morons for doing the same this year. even though he powdered-puffed his play down.
for once i agee with xxxbuckeye fan. trade for mallet. the dude is good. and let him and hoyer battle it out in training camp.
mallet is like brady or rodgers....a star waiting to start but will only get the chance on his team until the golden boy goes down like couch did for five years.
If Clowney or his agent choose to stay in college for another year, yes I think they were morons too.
I think if you are sure to be picked in the top three or four spots it would be foolish to risk career ending injury.
Maybe is major is pre med and he plans to be a doctor so the NFL really has nothing to offer him. But I kind of doubt it.
As far as Ryan Mallett goes, isn't he Bills backup? If so what do you suppose the coach would want in return for jeopardizing the future of his team? If in fact Ryan now what is Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers?
You do remember when everyone was excited to trade for Matt Schaub right?
WSS
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well then you have to call clowney and his agent morons for doing the same this year. even though he powdered-puffed his play down.
for once i agee with xxxbuckeye fan. trade for mallet. the dude is good. and let him and hoyer battle it out in training camp.
mallet is like brady or rodgers....a star waiting to start but will only get the chance on his team until the golden boy goes down like couch did for five years.
If Clowney or his agent choose to stay in college for another year, yes I think they were morons too.
I think if you are sure to be picked in the top three or four spots it would be foolish to risk career ending injury.
Maybe is major is pre med and he plans to be a doctor so the NFL really has nothing to offer him. But I kind of doubt it.
As far as Ryan Mallett goes, isn't he Bills backup? If so what do you suppose the coach would want in return for jeopardizing the future of his team? If in fact Ryan now what is Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers?
You do remember when everyone was excited to trade for Matt Schaub right?
WSS
If Clowney or his agent choose to stay in college for another year, yes I think they were morons too.
I think if you are sure to be picked in the top three or four spots it would be foolish to risk career ending injury.
Maybe is major is pre med and he plans to be a doctor so the NFL really has nothing to offer him. But I kind of doubt it.
As far as Ryan Mallett goes, isn't he Bills backup? If so what do you suppose the coach would want in return for jeopardizing the future of his team? If in fact Ryan now what is Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers?
You do remember when everyone was excited to trade for Matt Schaub right?
WSS
Matt Schaub...... lol I remember that. Texans have just fell apart this year. They entered this year looking like playoff contenders.
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I think we should take a good long look at Mallett....seriously. maybe give em like a 2nd and 4th for him and we could draft another guy late.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think we should take a good long look at Mallett....seriously. maybe give em like a 2nd and 4th for him and we could draft another guy late.
We have Mallet already in Weeden.
In terms of physicality, arm strength and football IQ, they're the same player. They're probably also on the same level in decision making and comfort in the pocket, which is awful on our part because Weeden has been playing for two seasons while Mallet hasn't.
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Clowneys major is African-American studies.
In other words, Clowneys major is football.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
it's better than a P.E. major.
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Clowneys major is African-American studies.
In other words, Clowneys major is football.
Clowneys major is African-American studies.
In other words, Clowneys major is football.
I think Ray Lewis majored in that also. Whatever that is.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think we should take a good long look at Mallett....seriously. maybe give em like a 2nd and 4th for him and we could draft another guy late.
We have Mallet already in Weeden.
In terms of physicality, arm strength and football IQ, they're the same player. They're probably also on the same level in decision making and comfort in the pocket, which is awful on our part because Weeden has been playing for two seasons while Mallet hasn't.
Not really sure where you figured this out about Mallett. Plus Mallett is 6 or 7 years younger than Weeden and still has room to grow. I'd take a chance on him before drafting Bortles or Garappolo. If we can get Carr, do it, but Mallett may be the best bet after him.We have Mallet already in Weeden.
In terms of physicality, arm strength and football IQ, they're the same player. They're probably also on the same level in decision making and comfort in the pocket, which is awful on our part because Weeden has been playing for two seasons while Mallet hasn't.
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IMO, I don't see a franchise qb in this draft. The best qb seems to be Derek Carr, but we will see. Other than that, what is there? I bet bridgewater goes back to school, he doesn't look as ready as everyone thought.
So, we're kind of in a tough position. Does the FO try to rush and get a qb in this draft (ala Holmgren getting Weeden) or do we wait until the 2015 draft, which seems like a much better qb class.
If we don't get a qb, were in a tough situation and we'd be putting all our chips in on Hoyer, and who would our backup be? But qb is our Achilles heel, we can be so good with a competent qb..
IMO, I don't see a franchise qb in this draft. The best qb seems to be Derek Carr, but we will see. Other than that, what is there? I bet bridgewater goes back to school, he doesn't look as ready as everyone thought.
So, we're kind of in a tough position. Does the FO try to rush and get a qb in this draft (ala Holmgren getting Weeden) or do we wait until the 2015 draft, which seems like a much better qb class.
If we don't get a qb, were in a tough situation and we'd be putting all our chips in on Hoyer, and who would our backup be? But qb is our Achilles heel, we can be so good with a competent qb..
Agree on no franchise QB in 2014 draft. To me that means none is worth a first round pick. But IMO you have to draft a QB nearly every year, so...
There are a few with potential in 2nd round and on. As a third rounder I thought McCarron was a no brainer, but now he's looking more like a solid 2nd. Fales should be around in the 4th. There are a couple interesting 7th round picks, i.e., Guiton and TCU's Paschall.
Want a longer shot FA? Invite Tyler Russell to camp. He was Miss. St's pre-season projected starter, but missed most of the year due to injury. He came back late in a loss to Bama and season ending win over Arkansas. Going into the year he was projected as high as the 2nd round.
Our 2014 QB depth chart: Hoyer / Campbell / Rookie TBD
I'd take Jay Cutler or Matt Schaub for a couple years while we develop a guy from this draft
A has been and a never was...
Bilgewater would be a moron to stay in school and risk a knee injury that would cost him literally millions of dollars.
Bilgewater... lol... not sure why this did not occur to me before.
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Looking at Mallet would be fine and if he really knocks you out you swing a deal but I doubt it. Schaub would be just ok as a back up at most. I am not sold on Cutler at all, his abilities and drive seem to fluctuate drastically.
Overall I agree with the OP, I do not see a franchise QB in this draft. In that case we should not reach. Take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd with upside and let him compete with and / or learn from Hoyer. Frankly wiwth our track record I would take a QB in the 2nd and another somewhere between 4th and 7th.
With Hoyer at the helm and the rest of the draft picks shoring up the right side of the OL, a good number 2 receiver and a decent power back to complement Dion Lewis we are money.
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IMO, I don't see a franchise qb in this draft. The best qb seems to be Derek Carr, but we will see. Other than that, what is there? I bet bridgewater goes back to school, he doesn't look as ready as everyone thought.
So, we're kind of in a tough position. Does the FO try to rush and get a qb in this draft (ala Holmgren getting Weeden) or do we wait until the 2015 draft, which seems like a much better qb class.
If we don't get a qb, were in a tough situation and we'd be putting all our chips in on Hoyer, and who would our backup be? But qb is our Achilles heel, we can be so good with a competent qb..
Agree on no franchise QB in 2014 draft. To me that means none is worth a first round pick. But IMO you have to draft a QB nearly every year, so...
There are a few with potential in 2nd round and on. As a third rounder I thought McCarron was a no brainer, but now he's looking more like a solid 2nd. Fales should be around in the 4th. There are a couple interesting 7th round picks, i.e., Guiton and TCU's Paschall.
Want a longer shot FA? Invite Tyler Russell to camp. He was Miss. St's pre-season projected starter, but missed most of the year due to injury. He came back late in a loss to Bama and season ending win over Arkansas. Going into the year he was projected as high as the 2nd round.
Our 2014 QB depth chart: Hoyer / Campbell / Rookie TBD
I'd take Jay Cutler or Matt Schaub for a couple years while we develop a guy from this draft
A has been and a never was...
Bilgewater would be a moron to stay in school and risk a knee injury that would cost him literally millions of dollars.
Bilgewater... lol... not sure why this did not occur to me before.
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TCPO what do you even know about mallet that you consider him as a brandon weeden?
i think god broke the mold when he made that dumb fuck.
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Looking at Mallet would be fine and if he really knocks you out you swing a deal but I doubt it. Schaub would be just ok as a back up at most. I am not sold on Cutler at all, his abilities and drive seem to fluctuate drastically.
Overall I agree with the OP, I do not see a franchise QB in this draft. In that case we should not reach. Take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd with upside and let him compete with and / or learn from Hoyer. Frankly wiwth our track record I would take a QB in the 2nd and another somewhere between 4th and 7th.
With Hoyer at the helm and the rest of the draft picks shoring up the right side of the OL, a good number 2 receiver and a decent power back to complement Dion Lewis we are money.
The way this board thinks about Bridgewater makes me think no one has watched him. I literally do not understand it.
I understand being critical of the fact that he hasn't played high level competition or the fact he only weighs 200 lbs, but it's all there when you're talking about his ability to throw every pass he needs to and read a defense/make audibles. He is by far the best QB prospect in the draft.
Did this all change because Louisville lost, because if so that's stupid as hell.
Looking at Mallet would be fine and if he really knocks you out you swing a deal but I doubt it. Schaub would be just ok as a back up at most. I am not sold on Cutler at all, his abilities and drive seem to fluctuate drastically.
Overall I agree with the OP, I do not see a franchise QB in this draft. In that case we should not reach. Take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd with upside and let him compete with and / or learn from Hoyer. Frankly wiwth our track record I would take a QB in the 2nd and another somewhere between 4th and 7th.
With Hoyer at the helm and the rest of the draft picks shoring up the right side of the OL, a good number 2 receiver and a decent power back to complement Dion Lewis we are money.
Thinking we can fix all our problems in the draft is wrong, we need to add FA's. We can't be the youngest team in the league forever.
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I may be wrong but how many passes has mallet thrown in the NFL?
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The way this board thinks about Bridgewater makes me think no one has watched him. I literally do not understand it.
I understand being critical of the fact that he hasn't played high level competition or the fact he only weighs 200 lbs, but it's all there when you're talking about his ability to throw every pass he needs to and read a defense/make audibles. He is by far the best QB prospect in the draft.
Did this all change because Louisville lost, because if so that's stupid as hell.
Looking at Mallet would be fine and if he really knocks you out you swing a deal but I doubt it. Schaub would be just ok as a back up at most. I am not sold on Cutler at all, his abilities and drive seem to fluctuate drastically.
Overall I agree with the OP, I do not see a franchise QB in this draft. In that case we should not reach. Take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd with upside and let him compete with and / or learn from Hoyer. Frankly wiwth our track record I would take a QB in the 2nd and another somewhere between 4th and 7th.
With Hoyer at the helm and the rest of the draft picks shoring up the right side of the OL, a good number 2 receiver and a decent power back to complement Dion Lewis we are money.
Thinking we can fix all our problems in the draft is wrong, we need to add FA's. We can't be the youngest team in the league forever.
The way this board thinks about Bridgewater makes me think no one has watched him. I literally do not understand it.
I understand being critical of the fact that he hasn't played high level competition or the fact he only weighs 200 lbs, but it's all there when you're talking about his ability to throw every pass he needs to and read a defense/make audibles. He is by far the best QB prospect in the draft.
Did this all change because Louisville lost, because if so that's stupid as hell.
Thinking we can fix all our problems in the draft is wrong, we need to add FA's. We can't be the youngest team in the league forever.
He's 200 lbs?
Fuck that.
We need big, sturdy guys.
I don't think there is one successful NFL QB under 205.
Zombo
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I may be wrong but how many passes has mallet thrown in the NFL?
I may be wrong but how many passes has mallet thrown in the NFL?
Four in 2012... Mallet is 1/4 for 17 yds with 0 TDs and 1 INT.
Houston was 10-6 and 12-4 the last two season, clearly we have better right? He had a bad year.
The Bears 10-6, 8-8 and 11-5 the last three years......
The Browns haven't won more than 5 games the last 5 years.....
Yea I will take Jay Cutler or Matt Schaub
If you mean vs. Wheezy, fine.
If you mean vs. Hoyer or (the formerly shot but now revived QB named) Campbell, then no.
The way this board thinks about Bridgewater makes me think no one has watched him. I literally do not understand it.
I understand being critical of the fact that he hasn't played high level competition or the fact he only weighs 200 lbs, but it's all there when you're talking about his ability to throw every pass he needs to and read a defense/make audibles. He is by far the best QB prospect in the draft.
I've repeatedly posted both critiques of Teddy, lack of competition and physicality, as have others.
I've seen him look to the sidelines for audible calls as do most collegiate QBs now (I hate that). And I think I see him looking for open receivers vs. reading D's, but I may be wrong...
Being the best in any given draft is a relative comment that is of no import. Teddy may in fact be the most ready for the NFL, but that does not mean he is ready for the NFL and does not mean he should be drafted high. Given his frame size, whether he will survive the learning process is a legitimate question.
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talk to to KYBROWNSFAN who has watched every louisville game this year and ask him how impressed he is with bridgewater.
look up the stats for tom brady's first offensive start for one posession. or aaron rodgers of peyton mannings.
7 attempts. with one intercept? sounds like he was thrown in at the perfect time while brady was getting his nails done down 56-0.
i'll take that resume over someone who's never taken a snap in the fuckin league.
fuckheads.
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I hear you about the size, Zombo. But everybody take notice for the rest of the season and into the next... Concussions are going to be the key word. Hell half the players up there can barely speak the language so how can you tell if he's concussed or stupid.... Seriously the League will be over reacting to that as we watch the game slide into flag football.
WSS
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Not really sure where you figured this out about Mallett. Plus Mallett is 6 or 7 years younger than Weeden and still has room to grow. I'd take a chance on him before drafting Bortles or Garappolo. If we can get Carr, do it, but Mallett may be the best bet after him.We have Mallet already in Weeden.
In terms of physicality, arm strength and football IQ, they're the same player. They're probably also on the same level in decision making and comfort in the pocket, which is awful on our part because Weeden has been playing for two seasons while Mallet hasn't.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Not really sure where you figured this out about Mallett. Plus Mallett is 6 or 7 years younger than Weeden and still has room to grow. I'd take a chance on him before drafting Bortles or Garappolo. If we can get Carr, do it, but Mallett may be the best bet after him.
He's got a cannon for an arm and he is dumb as shit.
That's how I figured it out.
Obviously, Mallet is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of the last 10 years. He's big, he's mobile enough, he can make all the throws and he did so at a relatively big college program that plays in a more than relatively elite conference.
But he's also been swirled in rumors involving his off the field life, and they're the kind that really make you question what goes on in his head. I couldn't care less if he smokes a little pot, as long as it's not becoming a problem. The reports that scared me where the ones about him pissing off nearly all of his Michigan teammates for being too cocky and saying he was better than them. Then, add to that a few analysts claiming they knew stuff about Mallet that would make any team pass on him.
There have been hundreds of quarterbacks with superior athletic talent that have busted because of character concerns, far more than have busted for not being athletically gifted.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Not really sure where you figured this out about Mallett. Plus Mallett is 6 or 7 years younger than Weeden and still has room to grow. I'd take a chance on him before drafting Bortles or Garappolo. If we can get Carr, do it, but Mallett may be the best bet after him.
He's got a cannon for an arm and he is dumb as shit.
That's how I figured it out.
Obviously, Mallet is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of the last 10 years. He's big, he's mobile enough, he can make all the throws and he did so at a relatively big college program that plays in a more than relatively elite conference.
But he's also been swirled in rumors involving his off the field life, and they're the kind that really make you question what goes on in his head. I couldn't care less if he smokes a little pot, as long as it's not becoming a problem. The reports that scared me where the ones about him pissing off nearly all of his Michigan teammates for being too cocky and saying he was better than them. Then, add to that a few analysts claiming they knew stuff about Mallet that would make any team pass on him.
There have been hundreds of quarterbacks with superior athletic talent that have busted because of character concerns, far more than have busted for not being athletically gifted.
The reason he wasn't the first QB drafted was off-field concerns. This is his third year in the NFL and you haven't heard his name in the news at all. I think he's kept his nose clean enough to where that's no longer a concern. And he's had 3 years of mentoring from the best in the biz. The fact Belichek doesn't want to get rid of him only intrigues me more. Like I said, I'd bet on him being a successful NFL QB before anyone besides Carr....and he's probably going to be cheaper and come in more seasoned....what's not to like?He's got a cannon for an arm and he is dumb as shit.
That's how I figured it out.
Obviously, Mallet is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of the last 10 years. He's big, he's mobile enough, he can make all the throws and he did so at a relatively big college program that plays in a more than relatively elite conference.
But he's also been swirled in rumors involving his off the field life, and they're the kind that really make you question what goes on in his head. I couldn't care less if he smokes a little pot, as long as it's not becoming a problem. The reports that scared me where the ones about him pissing off nearly all of his Michigan teammates for being too cocky and saying he was better than them. Then, add to that a few analysts claiming they knew stuff about Mallet that would make any team pass on him.
There have been hundreds of quarterbacks with superior athletic talent that have busted because of character concerns, far more than have busted for not being athletically gifted.
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Wow, Browns Boards are just so notoriously anti quarterback, saying every draft is weak, year after year... while the Browns can't be seriously relevant until they have their long-term franchise quarterback. It's like Groundhog Day.
This is a very good quarterback draft. Bridgewater, Carr, Hundley, and Manziel are the likely first rounders. The Browns won't miss our on all four. Bank it. There are scads of possible risers, too, like Bortles and Garoppolo.
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