What if the FO doesn't see a franchise qb in this draft?
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I hear you about the size, Zombo. But everybody take notice for the rest of the season and into the next... Concussions are going to be the key word. Hell half the players up there can barely speak the language so how can you tell if he's concussed or stupid.... Seriously the League will be over reacting to that as we watch the game slide into flag football.
WSS
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Not really sure where you figured this out about Mallett. Plus Mallett is 6 or 7 years younger than Weeden and still has room to grow. I'd take a chance on him before drafting Bortles or Garappolo. If we can get Carr, do it, but Mallett may be the best bet after him.We have Mallet already in Weeden.
In terms of physicality, arm strength and football IQ, they're the same player. They're probably also on the same level in decision making and comfort in the pocket, which is awful on our part because Weeden has been playing for two seasons while Mallet hasn't.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Not really sure where you figured this out about Mallett. Plus Mallett is 6 or 7 years younger than Weeden and still has room to grow. I'd take a chance on him before drafting Bortles or Garappolo. If we can get Carr, do it, but Mallett may be the best bet after him.
He's got a cannon for an arm and he is dumb as shit.
That's how I figured it out.
Obviously, Mallet is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of the last 10 years. He's big, he's mobile enough, he can make all the throws and he did so at a relatively big college program that plays in a more than relatively elite conference.
But he's also been swirled in rumors involving his off the field life, and they're the kind that really make you question what goes on in his head. I couldn't care less if he smokes a little pot, as long as it's not becoming a problem. The reports that scared me where the ones about him pissing off nearly all of his Michigan teammates for being too cocky and saying he was better than them. Then, add to that a few analysts claiming they knew stuff about Mallet that would make any team pass on him.
There have been hundreds of quarterbacks with superior athletic talent that have busted because of character concerns, far more than have busted for not being athletically gifted.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Not really sure where you figured this out about Mallett. Plus Mallett is 6 or 7 years younger than Weeden and still has room to grow. I'd take a chance on him before drafting Bortles or Garappolo. If we can get Carr, do it, but Mallett may be the best bet after him.
He's got a cannon for an arm and he is dumb as shit.
That's how I figured it out.
Obviously, Mallet is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of the last 10 years. He's big, he's mobile enough, he can make all the throws and he did so at a relatively big college program that plays in a more than relatively elite conference.
But he's also been swirled in rumors involving his off the field life, and they're the kind that really make you question what goes on in his head. I couldn't care less if he smokes a little pot, as long as it's not becoming a problem. The reports that scared me where the ones about him pissing off nearly all of his Michigan teammates for being too cocky and saying he was better than them. Then, add to that a few analysts claiming they knew stuff about Mallet that would make any team pass on him.
There have been hundreds of quarterbacks with superior athletic talent that have busted because of character concerns, far more than have busted for not being athletically gifted.
The reason he wasn't the first QB drafted was off-field concerns. This is his third year in the NFL and you haven't heard his name in the news at all. I think he's kept his nose clean enough to where that's no longer a concern. And he's had 3 years of mentoring from the best in the biz. The fact Belichek doesn't want to get rid of him only intrigues me more. Like I said, I'd bet on him being a successful NFL QB before anyone besides Carr....and he's probably going to be cheaper and come in more seasoned....what's not to like?He's got a cannon for an arm and he is dumb as shit.
That's how I figured it out.
Obviously, Mallet is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of the last 10 years. He's big, he's mobile enough, he can make all the throws and he did so at a relatively big college program that plays in a more than relatively elite conference.
But he's also been swirled in rumors involving his off the field life, and they're the kind that really make you question what goes on in his head. I couldn't care less if he smokes a little pot, as long as it's not becoming a problem. The reports that scared me where the ones about him pissing off nearly all of his Michigan teammates for being too cocky and saying he was better than them. Then, add to that a few analysts claiming they knew stuff about Mallet that would make any team pass on him.
There have been hundreds of quarterbacks with superior athletic talent that have busted because of character concerns, far more than have busted for not being athletically gifted.
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Wow, Browns Boards are just so notoriously anti quarterback, saying every draft is weak, year after year... while the Browns can't be seriously relevant until they have their long-term franchise quarterback. It's like Groundhog Day.
This is a very good quarterback draft. Bridgewater, Carr, Hundley, and Manziel are the likely first rounders. The Browns won't miss our on all four. Bank it. There are scads of possible risers, too, like Bortles and Garoppolo.
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The way this board thinks about Bridgewater makes me think no one has watched him. I literally do not understand it.
I understand being critical of the fact that he hasn't played high level competition or the fact he only weighs 200 lbs, but it's all there when you're talking about his ability to throw every pass he needs to and read a defense/make audibles. He is by far the best QB prospect in the draft.
Did this all change because Louisville lost, because if so that's stupid as hell.
Looking at Mallet would be fine and if he really knocks you out you swing a deal but I doubt it. Schaub would be just ok as a back up at most. I am not sold on Cutler at all, his abilities and drive seem to fluctuate drastically.
Overall I agree with the OP, I do not see a franchise QB in this draft. In that case we should not reach. Take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd with upside and let him compete with and / or learn from Hoyer. Frankly wiwth our track record I would take a QB in the 2nd and another somewhere between 4th and 7th.
With Hoyer at the helm and the rest of the draft picks shoring up the right side of the OL, a good number 2 receiver and a decent power back to complement Dion Lewis we are money.
Thinking we can fix all our problems in the draft is wrong, we need to add FA's. We can't be the youngest team in the league forever.
The way this board thinks about Bridgewater makes me think no one has watched him. I literally do not understand it.
I understand being critical of the fact that he hasn't played high level competition or the fact he only weighs 200 lbs, but it's all there when you're talking about his ability to throw every pass he needs to and read a defense/make audibles. He is by far the best QB prospect in the draft.
Did this all change because Louisville lost, because if so that's stupid as hell.
Thinking we can fix all our problems in the draft is wrong, we need to add FA's. We can't be the youngest team in the league forever.
Yes agree. I just didn't mention FA's in my comments. Absolutely some of the positions will be addressed there.
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Wow, Browns Boards are just so notoriously anti quarterback, saying every draft is weak, year after year... while the Browns can't be seriously relevant until they have their long-term franchise quarterback. It's like Groundhog Day.
This is a very good quarterback draft. Bridgewater, Carr, Hundley, and Manziel are the likely first rounders. The Browns won't miss our on all four. Bank it. There are scads of possible risers, too, like Bortles and Garoppolo.
Wow, Browns Boards are just so notoriously anti quarterback, saying every draft is weak, year after year... while the Browns can't be seriously relevant until they have their long-term franchise quarterback. It's like Groundhog Day.
This is a very good quarterback draft. Bridgewater, Carr, Hundley, and Manziel are the likely first rounders. The Browns won't miss our on all four. Bank it. There are scads of possible risers, too, like Bortles and Garoppolo.
I am all for pulling the trigger to get a franchise guy when there is one available. The list we talk about today will change drastically by draft day. I hope we get our guy but I don't want us to reach and mortgage our future unless we are dead convinced we got our guy.
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The reason he wasn't the first QB drafted was off-field concerns. This is his third year in the NFL and you haven't heard his name in the news at all. I think he's kept his nose clean enough to where that's no longer a concern. And he's had 3 years of mentoring from the best in the biz. The fact Belichek doesn't want to get rid of him only intrigues me more. Like I said, I'd bet on him being a successful NFL QB before anyone besides Carr....and he's probably going to be cheaper and come in more seasoned....what's not to like?He's got a cannon for an arm and he is dumb as shit.
That's how I figured it out.
Obviously, Mallet is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of the last 10 years. He's big, he's mobile enough, he can make all the throws and he did so at a relatively big college program that plays in a more than relatively elite conference.
But he's also been swirled in rumors involving his off the field life, and they're the kind that really make you question what goes on in his head. I couldn't care less if he smokes a little pot, as long as it's not becoming a problem. The reports that scared me where the ones about him pissing off nearly all of his Michigan teammates for being too cocky and saying he was better than them. Then, add to that a few analysts claiming they knew stuff about Mallet that would make any team pass on him.
There have been hundreds of quarterbacks with superior athletic talent that have busted because of character concerns, far more than have busted for not being athletically gifted.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
The reason he wasn't the first QB drafted was off-field concerns. This is his third year in the NFL and you haven't heard his name in the news at all. I think he's kept his nose clean enough to where that's no longer a concern. And he's had 3 years of mentoring from the best in the biz. The fact Belichek doesn't want to get rid of him only intrigues me more. Like I said, I'd bet on him being a successful NFL QB before anyone besides Carr....and he's probably going to be cheaper and come in more seasoned....what's not to like?
Did we hear anything about Aaron Hernandez until his infamous murder?
The Patriots are experts at keeping things swept under the rug.
I'd bet that two of the QB's in this draft become more successful than Mallet over the long term, and neither of them are named Carr.
Mallet will probably go on to become Brady's successor in a few years, and will probably have a solid career. In an offense that he's been in his entire career. On a team built for him. In a city that can hide his off-the-field concerns.
He comes to Cleveland, he fucks up one time, he throws one costly interception, and the city turns on him. I don't see him being able to handle that. Joe Haden is a city favorite and one of the best at his position and there were people calling for him to be released after the Jacksonville game. Mallet wouldn't be able to handle that.
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now you sound like an idiot couch.
check out geno 'your boy smith' in NY. gets booed and railed out of time every other sunday.
a hero one day a zero the next.
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Mallett has one year left on his deal and almost certainly plans to be a starter somewhere this year or the next... not three or four years from now when Brady retires and Mallett's like 30. No way. Not happening. Pats trade him now or lose him in a year.
If the Browns do want Carr, it might be in a trade up with the Falcons or Redskins, something like that. #6 overall and our 2nd round pick for the #3. I don't know that he's the guy but right now, today, that feels like a logical scenario. Most believe the Browns stockpiled picks to get the guy they want... and that means at QB, not guard (!).
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I still find threads like this kind of confounding. I'll get if you ask 100 NFL insiders, 101 will say the Browns next draft pick will be a quarterback because one guy brings a note from a colleague. I don't really think there's the slightest chance in hell it doesn't happen. I sincerely don't.
Browns will pick somewhere around 6th and have a TON of artillery to move up if they want/need to.
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They'll draft a QB, he'll start 3-7, and we'll be told he needs time to develop and he's making strides. In 2 years he'll be 7-16 and we'll have a guy at the end of his career at QB....sound familiar? Starting a rookie QB on a losing team RARELY works but the Holmgren's of the world think they have the next Andrew Luck and only they no about it.
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Mallett has one year left on his deal and almost certainly plans to be a starter somewhere this year or the next... not three or four years from now when Brady retires and Mallett's like 30. No way. Not happening. Pats trade him now or lose him in a year.
If the Browns do want Carr, it might be in a trade up with the Falcons or Redskins, something like that. #6 overall and our 2nd round pick for the #3. I don't know that he's the guy but right now, today, that feels like a logical scenario. Most believe the Browns stockpiled picks to get the guy they want... and that means at QB, not guard (!).
Mallett has one year left on his deal and almost certainly plans to be a starter somewhere this year or the next... not three or four years from now when Brady retires and Mallett's like 30. No way. Not happening. Pats trade him now or lose him in a year.
If the Browns do want Carr, it might be in a trade up with the Falcons or Redskins, something like that. #6 overall and our 2nd round pick for the #3. I don't know that he's the guy but right now, today, that feels like a logical scenario. Most believe the Browns stockpiled picks to get the guy they want... and that means at QB, not guard (!).
Hell, the Browns could still finish "ahead" of the Falcons and Redskins in the "race" for a better draft choice. If the Redskins play Kirk Cousins they may win a couple of game.
(of course, remember, the Rams own the Redskins pick)
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now you sound like an idiot couch.
check out geno 'your boy smith' in NY. gets booed and railed out of time every other sunday.
a hero one day a zero the next.
now you sound like an idiot couch.
check out geno 'your boy smith' in NY. gets booed and railed out of time every other sunday.
a hero one day a zero the next.
How do you block people on this site?
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Or can we just ban mik? He is by far the worst on this site. He offers very little thought and constantly puts profanity everywhere.
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The more I read, the more I agree with Shep a bit. But I think the two choices of qb
for the Browns, are Derek Carr, and Bortles, if he declares, with their first pick.
I don't see anybody else fitting. Manziel? When bottled up, he had a couple of very
tough games. That will happen most of the time in the NFL. He doesn't have the frame,
nor the arm, to avoid injury and hit those tight windows downfield.
If the Browns do wait til their second choice, who knows. Garoppolo is a very interesting kid,
but he isn't ready to step in his first year if he had to, maybe.
Bortles won't have much to gain staying in school, especially with Mariotta returning. He is
everything the Browns need to fit their offense. And I don't see him ever being there with
their second pick. He has the "WOW" factor to impress at the combine.
Derek Carr or Bortles. That's a tough choice, since it's so early. Carr is an elite prospect
who may not even be there at 6. THEN what, if Bortles stays in school?
Meanwhile, Hundley should stay, Manziel doesn't fit skillwise, then I think the Browns will
nab Watkins, wr, or trade down and nab a qb to develop with their second pick.
But trading up, giving up a stockpile? No way. The Browns won't sell out their future improvements
through the draft. They will let either Carr or Bortles fall to them. Now, if all they need to do,
is trade their first round picks for moving up....that is so easily beaten by the competition, won't happen.
They need to move the draft up to early Feb, at the rate we are talking about the draft already....
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Or can we just ban mik? He is by far the worst on this site. He offers very little thought and constantly puts profanity everywhere.
Or can we just ban mik? He is by far the worst on this site. He offers very little thought and constantly puts profanity everywhere.
Fuck you. Mik has been on this site forever, cunt. Check out his post count before you try to get into a pissing contest with him.
I mean, if every cocksucking newbie could come on here to demand that long time denizens of this site be banned, then we would all have our motherfucking tits in a ringer.
(George Carlin would be so proud of me for using all 7 prohibited words of profanity in such a short discourse)
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How do you block people on this site?
go to your settings, click on your name and in the pull down menu click on 'manage ignore preferences'.
please ignore me, most people do.
but in your case i really hope you do because it would be a colosall waste of my time trying to charm you with my wit and humor with your thin skin.
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Living in L.A., I think Hundley is coming out. He put his name in for a draft grade and with Mariota gone he'll be told top 15 at worst... and you have to take that, as recent history proves.
Great post, Cal. But I think Manziel has a lot more arm than given credit for, honestly, much like Brian Hoyer. It's tough to dismiss anybody who shreds the shit out of Alabama two years in a row. I guarantee those future NFL players will tell you he's good.
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