What's Wrong With Ray Horton?
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I hope not, because what you're saying then is that the Ravens and Steelers have hit rock bottom this year. I hope the suffering lasts longer than that.
Me too, but I think the ravens bounce back at least.I hope not, because what your saying then is that the Ravens and Steelers have hit rock bottom this year. I hope the suffering lasts longer than that.
Pittsburgh has some interesting issues of their own though with age, but they always draft well it seems. They're also at the point where they probably need to start grooming a Ben replacement.
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Haden's suspension was last year.
And as I said previously, I see 4 OLB's that can start for most teams in the league. Even Groves, who was a starter for Horton in Arizona. A team, I may add, that had a worse linebacker situation than Cleveland's yet was still productive.
Sorry, it's not an excuse. Implementing a system doesn't take 15 games. The system is implented pretty fully by the end of offseason and then a team can start rolling full speed, at the latest, by week 4 or 5. Things after that are just wrinkles and opponent specific shifts, stunts and coverage changes. Haden can go play for any 4-3 team in the NFL tomorrow and get 95% of the "system" by next Sunday.
You should know that.
This is just Browns fans looking for an excuse rather than accountability. It's like everyone is so happy to have an actual good coach in here that they'll give him as many passes as needed.
Fact of the matter is that the defense has been garbage all season, they've regressed statistically in many major categories, the red zone defense is one of the worst defenses in the NFL, two thirds of the defense has yet to miss a game, this is arguably the most talented coach and player personnel we've ever had and yet they aren't playing well. The coaching calls have been questionable to say the least.
I'm not calling for Horton's head. Nobody is. That would be stupid, he has the right scheme and right mentality for Cleveland. But we don't have an elite defense. Not yet. I thought we did just like everyone else until I opened my eyes and stopped living in a dream land. The defense is hardly consistent, and that's the problem. They are top ten in 3-and-out drives, yet they also top ten in percentage of drives ending in a touchdown. They either stop opponents immediately or they let them score.
I'm saying that, if this defense doesn't see marked improvement by this time next season, Horton won't have a job.
I'm saying that, if this defense doesn't see marked improvement by this time next season, Horton won't have a job.
Agree with that...
And had the Haden suspension dead wrong... I plead Senior moment.
But I still do not see our OLB's being coveted as 3-down players. Of all on our roster I only see Mingo having that potential*, but he's still a season and 10-20 lbs away from realizing that.
*Edit: potential for capability
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Bad time of possession by our offense, LBs can't cover anyone in space and no penetration in the 3-4
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Again I'd argue the blitz calls are pathetic and leave people wide open. Maybe I don't understand it well enough, but if I'm sending pressure I'm pressing my corners. I'm sure as shit not letting guys sit wide open in a zone scheme. At least five times on third down today we sent pressure and someone was wide open. I get once or twice, but every time? It just doesn't make sense.
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ok, i can't sit here and say i watched the game. had to go to a wake of a friend of friend. but before i left for that occasion 2 things were mentioned in the tavern that probably rang true throughout the game. one was the loose zone coverage that we were playing. i personally hate that scheme and think that you have to have some physical play from the line (cbs hitting the WRs) BUT in that time period there were 2 turnovers forced, one for a touchdown. so somethings are going right with this horton defense.
BUT anyone who disagrees that we should've never gotten krueger and that we don't need a CB (legit, no miss pick) you are fucking insane.
keep the coach. some of these guys gotta go or sit on the bench.
as for the offense. unbelievably bad from what i saw. 3 yd pass here. 4 yd pass there. what a fuckin joke.
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The 2 cb's we start are too small to get in the wr's face at the line. Especially against guys like the Bears have.
Haden is 5'11" and 190lbs. Skrine is 5'9" and 185 lbs. Marshall is 6'4" 230 lbs and Jeffery is 6'3" and 215 lbs.
Haden never hits the wr at the line. He lines up off him most plays, and when he does lineup right across form him, he bails at the snap. And Skrine does the same thing
Maybe that's Horton's scheme. But I would bet if Horton had cb's that are 6'2" 215 lbs, they would jam the wr's
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The 2 cb's we start are too small to get in the wr's face at the line. Especially against guys like the Bears have.
Haden is 5'11" and 190lbs. Skrine is 5'9" and 185 lbs. Marshall is 6'4" 230 lbs and Jeffery is 6'3" and 215 lbs.
Haden never hits the wr at the line. He lines up off him most plays, and when he does lineup right across form him, he bails at the snap. And Skrine does the same thing
Maybe that's Horton's scheme. But I would bet if Horton had cb's that are 6'2" 215 lbs, they would jam the wr's
The 2 cb's we start are too small to get in the wr's face at the line. Especially against guys like the Bears have.
Haden is 5'11" and 190lbs. Skrine is 5'9" and 185 lbs. Marshall is 6'4" 230 lbs and Jeffery is 6'3" and 215 lbs.
Haden never hits the wr at the line. He lines up off him most plays, and when he does lineup right across form him, he bails at the snap. And Skrine does the same thing
Maybe that's Horton's scheme. But I would bet if Horton had cb's that are 6'2" 215 lbs, they would jam the wr's
read my rant about corners in the other thread.
agree 100%.
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Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him.
Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him.
He played well enough to not lose us the game. Our defense folding in the fourth quarter, again, is a key contributor to the loss.
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Agree with that also. We have many problems unfortunately.
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Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him.
Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him.
Yeah he looked terrible, but it was really windy down there. Cutler was missing throws too
But you are right, Campbell sucked today
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neither looked as bad as eli manning.
another game with 5 ints? he has to have set the record by now.
which ponders the question....are the gmen in the QB next year?
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neither looked as bad as eli manning.
another game with 5 ints? he has to have set the record by now.
which ponders the question....are the gmen in the QB next year?
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I wonder how many more times the Bear could have ran the quick pitch to the left on us before we would have seen it coming.
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We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work
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We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work
As long as it's those guys from 5 years ago.
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We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work
Wee need a DC that doesnt live by the soft zone umbrella defense that gave the game away today in the 4th quater...AGAIN!
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So much for Hortons auditioning for HC, who would want to bring that garbage on board?
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