What's Wrong With Ray Horton?

BaconHound

Bad time of possession by our offense, LBs can't cover anyone in space and no penetration in the 3-4

jrb12711

Again I'd argue the blitz calls are pathetic and leave people wide open. Maybe I don't understand it well enough, but if I'm sending pressure I'm pressing my corners. I'm sure as shit not letting guys sit wide open in a zone scheme. At least five times on third down today we sent pressure and someone was wide open. I get once or twice, but every time? It just doesn't make sense.

miktoxic

ok, i can't sit here and say i watched the game. had to go to a wake of a friend of friend. but before i left for that occasion 2 things were mentioned in the tavern that probably rang true throughout the game. one was the loose zone coverage that we were playing. i personally hate that scheme and think that you have to have some physical play from the line (cbs hitting the WRs) BUT in that time period there were 2 turnovers forced, one for a touchdown. so somethings are going right with this horton defense.

BUT anyone who disagrees that we should've never gotten krueger and that we don't need a CB (legit, no miss pick) you are fucking insane.

keep the coach. some of these guys gotta go or sit on the bench.

as for the offense. unbelievably bad from what i saw. 3 yd pass here. 4 yd pass there. what a fuckin joke.

Browns149

The 2 cb's we start are too small to get in the wr's face at the line. Especially against guys like the Bears have.

Haden is 5'11" and 190lbs. Skrine is 5'9" and 185 lbs. Marshall is 6'4" 230 lbs and Jeffery is 6'3" and 215 lbs.

Haden never hits the wr at the line. He lines up off him most plays, and when he does lineup right across form him, he bails at the snap. And Skrine does the same thing

Maybe that's Horton's scheme. But I would bet if Horton had cb's that are 6'2" 215 lbs, they would jam the wr's

miktoxic

@browns149 said:

The 2 cb's we start are too small to get in the wr's face at the line. Especially against guys like the Bears have.

Haden is 5'11" and 190lbs. Skrine is 5'9" and 185 lbs. Marshall is 6'4" 230 lbs and Jeffery is 6'3" and 215 lbs.

Haden never hits the wr at the line. He lines up off him most plays, and when he does lineup right across form him, he bails at the snap. And Skrine does the same thing

Maybe that's Horton's scheme. But I would bet if Horton had cb's that are 6'2" 215 lbs, they would jam the wr's

read my rant about corners in the other thread.

agree 100%.

DieHardBrownsFan

Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@diehardbrownsfan said:
Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him.

He played well enough to not lose us the game. Our defense folding in the fourth quarter, again, is a key contributor to the loss.

DieHardBrownsFan

Agree with that also. We have many problems unfortunately.

Browns149

@diehardbrownsfan said:
Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him.

Yeah he looked terrible, but it was really windy down there. Cutler was missing throws too

But you are right, Campbell sucked today

miktoxic

neither looked as bad as eli manning.

another game with 5 ints? he has to have set the record by now.

which ponders the question....are the gmen in the QB next year?

Browns149

@miktoxic said:

neither looked as bad as eli manning.

another game with 5 ints? he has to have set the record by now.

which ponders the question....are the gmen in the QB next year?

I would say no, only because of Eli's contract. No one would trade for him and they can't release him.

nickers

Campbell is a hot and cold passer like Dave Krieg...he blows...Ive been saying that since we signed him...

Richiswhere

I wonder how many more times the Bear could have ran the quick pitch to the left on us before we would have seen it coming.

TopDawg31

We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work

Browns149

@topdawg31 said:
We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work

As long as it's those guys from 5 years ago.

nickers

@topdawg31 said:
We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work

Wee need a DC that doesnt live by the soft zone umbrella defense that gave the game away today in the 4th quater...AGAIN!

TopDawg31

So much for Hortons auditioning for HC, who would want to bring that garbage on board?

Browns149

@topdawg31 said:
So much for Hortons auditioning for HC, who would want to bring that garbage on board?

Yeah, he's stuck here now. He will get interviews because of the Rooney rule but no one is going to hire him

Tim Couch Pulls Out

In the two years Horton was in Arizona (2011, 2012), the Cardinals went 13-19 and went to zero playoff games.

In the year before and year since (2010, 2013), the Cardinals are 13-16 and with zero playoff appearances.

It's like he didn't even exist, to be honest. He made zero mark on that franchise.

Obviously not a very fair stat, just something I thought was interesting.

nickers

Ray Horton still hasnt figured out how to put a spy on the half back continuing our fine tradition of getting bamboozled by bubble screens and pitch outs..Im sick of it!