Please Blow It All Up Again Jimmy
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Hoorta I didn't say pro bowl season, I said pro bowl season "COMPARED TO" what they kept.
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anybody know why when I respond to someone's post the post I am responding to does not appear with my response?
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Hoorta I didn't say pro bowl season, I said pro bowl season "COMPARED TO" what they kept.
Hoorta I didn't say pro bowl season, I said pro bowl season "COMPARED TO" what they kept.
Yeah, that Bobby Rainey with his 500 yards is really better that Obi-wan, who with an equal number of attempts would have more yards? Incidentally Rainey had 13 carries for 34 yards when the Browns cut him. Not exactly setting the league on fire.
Rainey 126 497 3.9
Obi 49 240 4.9
Damn I sure wish we had kept Rainey- got anyone else I can look up?
Incidentally, you want to respond direct just hit the quote or multi quote button.
BTW, what the Browns really need to do is figure out how to close out the first half and the end of games- that's the area of improvement- they've proven they can hang with anyone- they need to learn how to close out games.
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Hoorta I didn't say pro bowl season, I said pro bowl season "COMPARED TO" what they kept.
Yeah, that Bobby Rainey with his 500 yards is really better that Obi-wan, who with an equal number of attempts would have more yards? Incidentally Rainey had 13 carries for 34 yards when the Browns cut him. Not exactly setting the league on fire.
Rainey 126 497 3.9
Obi 49 240 4.9
Damn I sure wish we had kept Rainey- got anyone else I can look up?
Incidentally, you want to respond direct just hit the quote or multi quote button.
BTW, what the Browns really need to do is figure out how to close out the first half and the end of games- that's the area of improvement- they've proven they can hang with anyone- they need to learn how to close out games.
BTW, what the Browns really need to do is figure out how to close out the first half and the end of games- that's the area of improvement- they've proven they can hang with anyone- they need to learn how to close out games.
This where I'm mostritical of Turner, Horton, and Chud. They seem to make some really bad play calls at these times and manage the clock poorly.
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I do that in IE and the quote does not appear but when I use Google Chrome it function properly, so I'm guessing it's an IE issue. I was hoping someone may have experienced this before.
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Absolutely no point in going forward with the current regime. Their entire draft was a bust. Their FA signings were a bust. They cut players that go on to have pro bowl seasons compared to what they kept on the roster. Our DC is a joke. We can't gain 2 yards when given 7 trys. Really? Someone please try to convince me as to why this group can win more that 4 games next year, cause I don't see it. And please don't use the continuity BS, the only continuity this group will bring is back to back 4 win seasons. Every free agent on this team is going to bolt for higher ground leaving even more holes to fill. PLEASE JIMMY FIRE THEM ALL, it's all I ask for Christmas.
You're entitled to you opinion, but frankly, you're full of shit and here's why. 1) You calling Mingo a bust? 2) enlighten me as to who the Browns cut that's having a Pro Bowl season. FYI they dumped super bust Richardson and got at least 30 cents on the dollar over it. BTW, Whittaker and McGahee are averaging about the same ypc than our departed super stud, Baker is a practice squad player so STFU about the lack of rushing. It might help if the Browns guards didn't suck.
LOL, so tell me, who just won the AFC North? by your standards, Marvin Lewis should have been fired multiple times- and you got your wish when Artie fired HOFer Bill Belichick prematurely.
nope I'm the one and only and I'm fed up with the bullshit they keep running out on the field. Everyone looking through beer goggles keeps hitting the replay button oh just give em a chance to get their players in here. They had their chance and blew every opportunity. Andy Reid took a two win team and is in the playoffs this year. Open your fukcing eyes people it can be done in one offseason. How many 4 win seasons do you people want to go through?
Don't bring up the Chiefs either- they already had a studly defense in place- 4 Pro Bowlers, and ummmm they've had exactly ONE quarterback this year, care to tell me how many the Browns have gone through? You blaming Wee-done on Haslam too? Incidentally, the Browns may well have beaten the Chiefs in KC no less- if Bess hadn't been lighting up fatties before the game. Gee, I suppose nothing less than 100% success rate on free agents is going to keep you happy.
anything less than 10 wins is unacceptable
Sure, keep dreaming- or find another team, the Broncos and Seahawks are accepting frontrunners. so assuming you were a Texans or Falcons fan, you going to kill yourself? I'm sure tons of their fans said anything less than 10 wins is unacceptable. They were all set up for a Super Bowl run, didn't exactly happen, no? Lions were set up for the playoffs, that isn't happening either.
FYI Chud is the best coach the Browns have had in the expansion era, and you'd have to go back to Marty or Rutigliano to find an equal- and FYI- I go all the way back to Paul Brown. You can only coach the hand you're dealt. There's been one constant since 1999 for the Browns- Blowing everything up every 2-3 years. This time, I'm sticking with the program.
There's been one constant since 1999 for the Browns- Blowing everything up every 2-3 years. This time, I'm sticking with the program.
Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.
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There's been one constant since 1999 for the Browns- Blowing everything up every 2-3 years. This time, I'm sticking with the program.
Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.
Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.
I'm beginning to distinctly hate a significant portion of the Browns fan base because they have us in rebuild/retool hell every 2-3 years. Going forward the only thing that will make me not be a Browns fan anymore is if they continue to blow it up. The OP needs to stop being a Browns fan in all seriousness. Whining for the owner to blow it up after 1 season is so utterly bereft of any sort of intelligence in general let alone football IQ, that I really have to scratch my head and ask who the fuck are these people that like watching new stink ever 2 years. And just when we start to show signs of not stinking at that. What we didn't go 16-0? Blow it up jimmy
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Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.
I'm beginning to distinctly hate a significant portion of the Browns fan base because they have us in rebuild/retool hell every 2-3 years. Going forward the only thing that will make me not be a Browns fan anymore is if they continue to blow it up. The OP needs to stop being a Browns fan in all seriousness. Whining for the owner to blow it up after 1 season is so utterly bereft of any sort of intelligence in general let alone football IQ, that I really have to scratch my head and ask who the fuck are these people that like watching new stink ever 2 years. And just when we start to show signs of not stinking at that. What we didn't go 16-0? Blow it up jimmy
I'm beginning to distinctly hate a significant portion of the Browns fan base because they have us in rebuild/retool hell every 2-3 years. Going forward the only thing that will make me not be a Browns fan anymore is if they continue to blow it up. The OP needs to stop being a Browns fan in all seriousness. Whining for the owner to blow it up after 1 season is so utterly bereft of any sort of intelligence in general let alone football IQ, that I really have to scratch my head and ask who the fuck are these people that like watching new stink ever 2 years. And just when we start to show signs of not stinking at that. What we didn't go 16-0? Blow it up jimmy
The fan base has NOTHING to do or to say about the matter or should I say....in the matter.
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Because I know garbage when I see it. All I saw from this regime is garbage. The only thing they did right was fleece Indy, and that is only if they score with the pick because they failed miserably with every pick this past draft. I'll invite you all over for smoked crow if I'm wrong but sorry people I see it for what it is and it's all garbage. There are 3 first year coaches that have 8 wins or more this year and 1 will probably have 11 wins. So if 4 wins excites you enjoy because 4 wins is all you are getting next year.
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Absolutely no point in going forward with the current regime. Their entire draft was a bust. Their FA signings were a bust. They cut players that go on to have pro bowl seasons compared to what they kept on the roster. Our DC is a joke. We can't gain 2 yards when given 7 trys. Really? Someone please try to convince me as to why this group can win more that 4 games next year, cause I don't see it. And please don't use the continuity BS, the only continuity this group will bring is back to back 4 win seasons. Every free agent on this team is going to bolt for higher ground leaving even more holes to fill. PLEASE JIMMY FIRE THEM ALL, it's all I ask for Christmas.
Absolutely no point in going forward with the current regime. Their entire draft was a bust. Their FA signings were a bust. They cut players that go on to have pro bowl seasons compared to what they kept on the roster. Our DC is a joke. We can't gain 2 yards when given 7 trys. Really? Someone please try to convince me as to why this group can win more that 4 games next year, cause I don't see it. And please don't use the continuity BS, the only continuity this group will bring is back to back 4 win seasons. Every free agent on this team is going to bolt for higher ground leaving even more holes to fill. PLEASE JIMMY FIRE THEM ALL, it's all I ask for Christmas.
No!!
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That excuse doesn't fly when you have a first year coach come from the college ranks and has 9 wins in Philly. I want immediate results not 5 year plans. I'm sick and tired of 5 year plans. Turnarounds can happen in one offseason.
That excuse doesn't fly when you have a first year coach come from the college ranks and has 9 wins in Philly. I want immediate results not 5 year plans. I'm sick and tired of 5 year plans. Turnarounds can happen in one offseason.
You're sick and tired of 5 year plans......when was the last time we had a 5 year coach? I think you have to go back before the move no? Butch was here 3 or 4 years, i think that was the longest tenure. And no immediate results are not possible here in Cleveland. Sorry they just aren't.
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nope I'm the one and only and I'm fed up with the bullshit they keep running out on the field. Everyone looking through beer goggles keeps hitting the replay button oh just give em a chance to get their players in here. They had their chance and blew every opportunity. Andy Reid took a two win team and is in the playoffs this year. Open your fukcing eyes people it can be done in one offseason. How many 4 win seasons do you people want to go through?
We didn't hire Andy Reid, we hired a first-year coach. If you hire a first-year head coach you should expect first-year results. By the second year you should expect at least 8-8 and by year three you should expect playoffs. Cycling coaches out every year is what will guarantee a string of 4 win seasons.
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Because I know garbage when I see it. All I saw from this regime is garbage. The only thing they did right was fleece Indy, and that is only if they score with the pick because they failed miserably with every pick this past draft. I'll invite you all over for smoked crow if I'm wrong but sorry people I see it for what it is and it's all garbage. There are 3 first year coaches that have 8 wins or more this year and 1 will probably have 11 wins. So if 4 wins excites you enjoy because 4 wins is all you are getting next year.
Because I know garbage when I see it. All I saw from this regime is garbage. The only thing they did right was fleece Indy, and that is only if they score with the pick because they failed miserably with every pick this past draft. I'll invite you all over for smoked crow if I'm wrong but sorry people I see it for what it is and it's all garbage. There are 3 first year coaches that have 8 wins or more this year and 1 will probably have 11 wins. So if 4 wins excites you enjoy because 4 wins is all you are getting next year.
Great- if you have no hope for next year- go find another team to root for- you're wasting your time here. I see a team that was a couple Davon Bess drops away from beating the Chiefs on the road, and a recovered on side kick (and hometown reffing) away from beating the Patriots. Just getting rid of Weeden- who has personally cost the Browns at least four wins will show marked improvement. BTW, Banner not only got an extra first for Richardson, there's an extra third & fourth too. So you're on board for yet another totally blown draft. You got a functional crystal ball?
To say the Chiefs are an eleven win team just because of Reid, you don't know much about the situation. They had six Pro Bowlers last year- the Browns have five this year and probably six assuming someone bows out and TJ Ward makes it as first alternate. Sounds like this year's Browns are in the same position as last year's Chiefs. The Chiefs have had continuity at qb this year in Smith- the Browns have had anything but. In case you didn't notice the Packers turned into a mediocre team when Rodgers busted his collarbone- yet you expect the Browns to be at least 8-8 with their third sting qb playing? Yeah, right.
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This is an excellent coaching staff.
prove it. right now.
stop being browns fans. Move to another team. I'm serious. This new breed of spoiled, entitled fantasy league degenerates are ruining sports as a whole...but especially in places like Cleveland where the foundation had been ripped out from underneath the team 15 or so years ago, these kinds of fans are making it impossible to build anything. Go away, I'm serious. I'm willing to put up with a couple years of mediocrity if it means building a foundation to a team like what the Steelers have. Just read an article about the Steelers young corp of LB'ers who didn't look promising at the beginning of the year but are starting to surge now. Why are the Steelers capable of developing players like that? These guys would have been bench riding the entire season and possibly not playing for us at all the next season. Yet the Steelers can get these guys up and running before the season is even over. This was the Steelers "retooling' year. Why can the retool like this on the fly without blowing up the entire franchise? Cause they are stable at the coaching and FO. So please all of you Browns fans who now want Chuds and Horton fired go away. Don't come to the boards and don't phone in on the radio. Just stop being browns fans completely.
fuck you.
who are you to tell how other browns' fans should act?
build a foundation? mr. all knowing browns fan cleveland4life what do you call thomas mack jordan rubin taylor haden DQ sheard and ward? that's not a FUCKING foundation???
i'm not saying firing these guys is the right thing to do and wouldn't want to see it. BUT there are plenty of questions about everyone in this new regime that need to be answered. like what's up with the worse play calling ever? we have a top ten defense who can't stop anyone in the second half? where's our OC that is magic with QBs? he is such a wizard even he could make weeden into a real NFL starter, correct?
no. no. no. for any fan to bring up the fact that yet once again the browns will finish below .500 is whining and bitching? well do me a favor and get out of my foxhole cunt cuz when it comes time to stand up you'd be running backwards. i am one to challenge anyone who has taken on the responsibility of doing a job, saying they WILL do that job, but yet falls short. sure it might take another 2, 3, 4 or 5 years but "give me the chance and i'll do it, promise."
BULL FUCKING SHIT. they don't deserve to be fired but they do need to know that this record will not be tolerated next year and if they can't improve WITH THIS FOUNDATION and all the picks coming up in the draft by 3 wins next year you can hit the road jack.
i hope santa is a winer and shits all over your milk and cookies!
prove it. right now.
fuck you.
who are you to tell how other browns' fans should act?
build a foundation? mr. all knowing browns fan cleveland4life what do you call thomas mack jordan rubin taylor haden DQ sheard and ward? that's not a FUCKING foundation???
i'm not saying firing these guys is the right thing to do and wouldn't want to see it. BUT there are plenty of questions about everyone in this new regime that need to be answered. like what's up with the worse play calling ever? we have a top ten defense who can't stop anyone in the second half? where's our OC that is magic with QBs? he is such a wizard even he could make weeden into a real NFL starter, correct?
no. no. no. for any fan to bring up the fact that yet once again the browns will finish below .500 is whining and bitching? well do me a favor and get out of my foxhole cunt cuz when it comes time to stand up you'd be running backwards. i am one to challenge anyone who has taken on the responsibility of doing a job, saying they WILL do that job, but yet falls short. sure it might take another 2, 3, 4 or 5 years but "give me the chance and i'll do it, promise."
BULL FUCKING SHIT. they don't deserve to be fired but they do need to know that this record will not be tolerated next year and if they can't improve WITH THIS FOUNDATION and all the picks coming up in the draft by 3 wins next year you can hit the road jack.
i hope santa is a winer and shits all over your milk and cookies!
worst play calling ever? I thought Shurmur ball was worst play calling ever. So chud's is now worse than Shurmur? C'mon dude, see where this is going? We didn't do anything this season like running out a TE as the lead handoff on short and goal. Cleveland fans like yourself have some serious perspective issues, i"m sorry but you do. Every year it's the same shit. I realize you said you don't want the staff to be fired so i'm not accusing you of that....but at the same time you're coming to the defense of someone who infact did say blow it all up and fire everyone. You did read the OP title right?
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This is an excellent coaching staff.
prove it. right now.
stop being browns fans. Move to another team. I'm serious. This new breed of spoiled, entitled fantasy league degenerates are ruining sports as a whole...but especially in places like Cleveland where the foundation had been ripped out from underneath the team 15 or so years ago, these kinds of fans are making it impossible to build anything. Go away, I'm serious. I'm willing to put up with a couple years of mediocrity if it means building a foundation to a team like what the Steelers have. Just read an article about the Steelers young corp of LB'ers who didn't look promising at the beginning of the year but are starting to surge now. Why are the Steelers capable of developing players like that? These guys would have been bench riding the entire season and possibly not playing for us at all the next season. Yet the Steelers can get these guys up and running before the season is even over. This was the Steelers "retooling' year. Why can the retool like this on the fly without blowing up the entire franchise? Cause they are stable at the coaching and FO. So please all of you Browns fans who now want Chuds and Horton fired go away. Don't come to the boards and don't phone in on the radio. Just stop being browns fans completely.
fuck you.
who are you to tell how other browns' fans should act?
build a foundation? mr. all knowing browns fan cleveland4life what do you call thomas mack jordan rubin taylor haden DQ sheard and ward? that's not a FUCKING foundation???
i'm not saying firing these guys is the right thing to do and wouldn't want to see it. BUT there are plenty of questions about everyone in this new regime that need to be answered. like what's up with the worse play calling ever? we have a top ten defense who can't stop anyone in the second half? where's our OC that is magic with QBs? he is such a wizard even he could make weeden into a real NFL starter, correct?
no. no. no. for any fan to bring up the fact that yet once again the browns will finish below .500 is whining and bitching? well do me a favor and get out of my foxhole cunt cuz when it comes time to stand up you'd be running backwards. i am one to challenge anyone who has taken on the responsibility of doing a job, saying they WILL do that job, but yet falls short. sure it might take another 2, 3, 4 or 5 years but "give me the chance and i'll do it, promise."
BULL FUCKING SHIT. they don't deserve to be fired but they do need to know that this record will not be tolerated next year and if they can't improve WITH THIS FOUNDATION and all the picks coming up in the draft by 3 wins next year you can hit the road jack.
i hope santa is a winer and shits all over your milk and cookies!
build a foundation? mr. all knowing browns fan cleveland4life what do you call thomas mack jordan rubin taylor haden DQ sheard and ward? that's not a FUCKING foundation???
To this point, how many of those players have played under the same system for more than 2 years?
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also nobody wants to come play or coach for an organization that blows it all up every 2 years. That is fact. It would be hard enough for a large market team to get away with that let alone a small market like Cleveland.
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To this point, how many of those players have played under the same system for more than 2 years?
true that. but if YOU as a new FO can't build around that going on YOUR second year then your name is up in the board room. that's all. not saying everyone sucks, i'm saying i hate the fact that we do suck, no matter what excuse you want to throw at me.
no hate towards you or anyone else. this shit is just tiring and will age you one year per sixteen games a year.
i don't (in that consideration) have a lot of time left. would like to see an upswing before my liver blows.
happy new year you delusional fucks!
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Because I know garbage when I see it. All I saw from this regime is garbage. The only thing they did right was fleece Indy, and that is only if they score with the pick because they failed miserably with every pick this past draft. I'll invite you all over for smoked crow if I'm wrong but sorry people I see it for what it is and it's all garbage. There are 3 first year coaches that have 8 wins or more this year and 1 will probably have 11 wins. So if 4 wins excites you enjoy because 4 wins is all you are getting next year.
Great- if you have no hope for next year- go find another team to root for- you're wasting your time here. I see a team that was a couple Davon Bess drops away from beating the Chiefs on the road, and a recovered on side kick (and hometown reffing) away from beating the Patriots. Just getting rid of Weeden- who has personally cost the Browns at least four wins will show marked improvement. BTW, Banner not only got an extra first for Richardson, there's an extra third & fourth too. So you're on board for yet another totally blown draft. You got a functional crystal ball?
To say the Chiefs are an eleven win team just because of Reid, you don't know much about the situation. They had six Pro Bowlers last year- the Browns have five this year and probably six assuming someone bows out and TJ Ward makes it as first alternate. Sounds like this year's Browns are in the same position as last year's Chiefs. The Chiefs have had continuity at qb this year in Smith- the Browns have had anything but. In case you didn't notice the Packers turned into a mediocre team when Rodgers busted his collarbone- yet you expect the Browns to be at least 8-8 with their third sting qb playing? Yeah, right.
Patience is hard... but it can lead to winning.
On the other hand, a coaching revolving door virtually guarantees losing.
To say the Chiefs are an eleven win team just because of Reid, you don't know much about the situation. They had six Pro Bowlers last year- the Browns have five this year and probably six assuming someone bows out and TJ Ward makes it as first alternate. Sounds like this year's Browns are in the same position as last year's Chiefs. The Chiefs have had continuity at qb this year in Smith...
I like the analogy. Hoyer even reminds me of Smith...
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The Chiefs have the best RB in the game. We have guys off the street
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