Please Blow It All Up Again Jimmy
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stop being browns fans. Move to another team. I'm serious. This new breed of spoiled, entitled fantasy league degenerates are ruining sports as a whole...but especially in places like Cleveland where the foundation had been ripped out from underneath the team 15 or so years ago, these kinds of fans are making it impossible to build anything. Go away, I'm serious. I'm willing to put up with a couple years of mediocrity if it means building a foundation to a team like what the Steelers have. Just read an article about the Steelers young corp of LB'ers who didn't look promising at the beginning of the year but are starting to surge now. Why are the Steelers capable of developing players like that? These guys would have been bench riding the entire season and possibly not playing for us at all the next season. Yet the Steelers can get these guys up and running before the season is even over. This was the Steelers "retooling' year. Why can the retool like this on the fly without blowing up the entire franchise? Cause they are stable at the coaching and FO. So please all of you Browns fans who now want Chuds and Horton fired go away. Don't come to the boards and don't phone in on the radio. Just stop being browns fans completely.
stop being browns fans. Move to another team. I'm serious. This new breed of spoiled, entitled fantasy league degenerates are ruining sports as a whole...but especially in places like Cleveland where the foundation had been ripped out from underneath the team 15 or so years ago, these kinds of fans are making it impossible to build anything. Go away, I'm serious. I'm willing to put up with a couple years of mediocrity if it means building a foundation to a team like what the Steelers have. Just read an article about the Steelers young corp of LB'ers who didn't look promising at the beginning of the year but are starting to surge now. Why are the Steelers capable of developing players like that? These guys would have been bench riding the entire season and possibly not playing for us at all the next season. Yet the Steelers can get these guys up and running before the season is even over. This was the Steelers "retooling' year. Why can the retool like this on the fly without blowing up the entire franchise? Cause they are stable at the coaching and FO. So please all of you Browns fans who now want Chuds and Horton fired go away. Don't come to the boards and don't phone in on the radio. Just stop being browns fans completely.
The Steelers are capable of developing players because the coaches have been with the team for more than a year or two. One year under a new regime is not enough time to get everything the way that you want. Those players have played with each other for years and they only add pieces here and there. The Browns had a complete overhaul, it is going to take another year or two for the defense to truly come together. The only pieces we need on defense now are ILB and #2 CB. Our defense will be truly lethal soon enough. The offense will be going through their overhaul this offseason. We are looking at probably a new QB, RB, #2 WR and some new OL.
Depending on the QB play next year we could definitely we close to the .500 mark next year. If we just nail drafting a QB then everything else will fall into place.
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anything less than 10 wins is unacceptable
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i'll give the staff a little more slack and we HAVE to be at lest .500 next year. that's 4 more wins than we'll have this year. that's an improvement.
then 2015 if we ain't in the playoffs................
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Absolutely no point in going forward with the current regime. Their entire draft was a bust. Their FA signings were a bust. They cut players that go on to have pro bowl seasons compared to what they kept on the roster. Our DC is a joke. We can't gain 2 yards when given 7 trys. Really? Someone please try to convince me as to why this group can win more that 4 games next year, cause I don't see it. And please don't use the continuity BS, the only continuity this group will bring is back to back 4 win seasons. Every free agent on this team is going to bolt for higher ground leaving even more holes to fill. PLEASE JIMMY FIRE THEM ALL, it's all I ask for Christmas.
Absolutely no point in going forward with the current regime. Their entire draft was a bust. Their FA signings were a bust. They cut players that go on to have pro bowl seasons compared to what they kept on the roster. Our DC is a joke. We can't gain 2 yards when given 7 trys. Really? Someone please try to convince me as to why this group can win more that 4 games next year, cause I don't see it. And please don't use the continuity BS, the only continuity this group will bring is back to back 4 win seasons. Every free agent on this team is going to bolt for higher ground leaving even more holes to fill. PLEASE JIMMY FIRE THEM ALL, it's all I ask for Christmas.
You're entitled to you opinion, but frankly, you're full of shit and here's why. 1) You calling Mingo a bust? 2) enlighten me as to who the Browns cut that's having a Pro Bowl season. FYI they dumped super bust Richardson and got at least 30 cents on the dollar over it. BTW, Whittaker and McGahee are averaging about the same ypc than our departed super stud, Baker is a practice squad player so STFU about the lack of rushing. It might help if the Browns guards didn't suck.
LOL, so tell me, who just won the AFC North? by your standards, Marvin Lewis should have been fired multiple times- and you got your wish when Artie fired HOFer Bill Belichick prematurely.
nope I'm the one and only and I'm fed up with the bullshit they keep running out on the field. Everyone looking through beer goggles keeps hitting the replay button oh just give em a chance to get their players in here. They had their chance and blew every opportunity. Andy Reid took a two win team and is in the playoffs this year. Open your fukcing eyes people it can be done in one offseason. How many 4 win seasons do you people want to go through?
Don't bring up the Chiefs either- they already had a studly defense in place- 4 Pro Bowlers, and ummmm they've had exactly ONE quarterback this year, care to tell me how many the Browns have gone through? You blaming Wee-done on Haslam too? Incidentally, the Browns may well have beaten the Chiefs in KC no less- if Bess hadn't been lighting up fatties before the game. Gee, I suppose nothing less than 100% success rate on free agents is going to keep you happy.
anything less than 10 wins is unacceptable
Sure, keep dreaming- or find another team, the Broncos and Seahawks are accepting frontrunners. so assuming you were a Texans or Falcons fan, you going to kill yourself? I'm sure tons of their fans said anything less than 10 wins is unacceptable. They were all set up for a Super Bowl run, didn't exactly happen, no? Lions were set up for the playoffs, that isn't happening either.
FYI Chud is the best coach the Browns have had in the expansion era, and you'd have to go back to Marty or Rutigliano to find an equal- and FYI- I go all the way back to Paul Brown. You can only coach the hand you're dealt. There's been one constant since 1999 for the Browns- Blowing everything up every 2-3 years. This time, I'm sticking with the program.
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^ ownage
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yeah i agree, as much as i hate what i've seen from this so-called all-star brilliant coaching staff.
you gotta give them more than one year to prove themselves.
players are adjusting to new schemes, coaches are looking at players as to whether or not they can fit in their scheme etc. etc.
but even saying that, there was nothing impressive coming from the sidelines this year. nothing. and as far as horton is concerned, he might as well kiss that hope of a HC position goodbye, at least until he proves he and his system can work under chud in cleveland.
and where did norv go? was he even around?
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With Horton people need to stop talking about top ten defense based on pas or rushing yards allowed. Those stats are meaningless, the defensive stat that matters is points allowed per game, and it has to be less than the offenses points scored per game. When that happens we can talk about how great the D is.
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With Horton people need to stop talking about top ten defense based on pas or rushing yards allowed. Those stats are meaningless, the defensive stat that matters is points allowed per game, and it has to be less than the offenses points scored per game. When that happens we can talk about how great the D is.
the best defense is a great offense/running game.With Horton people need to stop talking about top ten defense based on pas or rushing yards allowed. Those stats are meaningless, the defensive stat that matters is points allowed per game, and it has to be less than the offenses points scored per game. When that happens we can talk about how great the D is.
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the best defense is a great offense/running game.With Horton people need to stop talking about top ten defense based on pas or rushing yards allowed. Those stats are meaningless, the defensive stat that matters is points allowed per game, and it has to be less than the offenses points scored per game. When that happens we can talk about how great the D is.
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Hoorta I didn't say pro bowl season, I said pro bowl season "COMPARED TO" what they kept.
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anybody know why when I respond to someone's post the post I am responding to does not appear with my response?
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Hoorta I didn't say pro bowl season, I said pro bowl season "COMPARED TO" what they kept.
Hoorta I didn't say pro bowl season, I said pro bowl season "COMPARED TO" what they kept.
Yeah, that Bobby Rainey with his 500 yards is really better that Obi-wan, who with an equal number of attempts would have more yards? Incidentally Rainey had 13 carries for 34 yards when the Browns cut him. Not exactly setting the league on fire.
Rainey 126 497 3.9
Obi 49 240 4.9
Damn I sure wish we had kept Rainey- got anyone else I can look up?
Incidentally, you want to respond direct just hit the quote or multi quote button.
BTW, what the Browns really need to do is figure out how to close out the first half and the end of games- that's the area of improvement- they've proven they can hang with anyone- they need to learn how to close out games.
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Hoorta I didn't say pro bowl season, I said pro bowl season "COMPARED TO" what they kept.
Yeah, that Bobby Rainey with his 500 yards is really better that Obi-wan, who with an equal number of attempts would have more yards? Incidentally Rainey had 13 carries for 34 yards when the Browns cut him. Not exactly setting the league on fire.
Rainey 126 497 3.9
Obi 49 240 4.9
Damn I sure wish we had kept Rainey- got anyone else I can look up?
Incidentally, you want to respond direct just hit the quote or multi quote button.
BTW, what the Browns really need to do is figure out how to close out the first half and the end of games- that's the area of improvement- they've proven they can hang with anyone- they need to learn how to close out games.
BTW, what the Browns really need to do is figure out how to close out the first half and the end of games- that's the area of improvement- they've proven they can hang with anyone- they need to learn how to close out games.
This where I'm mostritical of Turner, Horton, and Chud. They seem to make some really bad play calls at these times and manage the clock poorly.
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I do that in IE and the quote does not appear but when I use Google Chrome it function properly, so I'm guessing it's an IE issue. I was hoping someone may have experienced this before.
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Absolutely no point in going forward with the current regime. Their entire draft was a bust. Their FA signings were a bust. They cut players that go on to have pro bowl seasons compared to what they kept on the roster. Our DC is a joke. We can't gain 2 yards when given 7 trys. Really? Someone please try to convince me as to why this group can win more that 4 games next year, cause I don't see it. And please don't use the continuity BS, the only continuity this group will bring is back to back 4 win seasons. Every free agent on this team is going to bolt for higher ground leaving even more holes to fill. PLEASE JIMMY FIRE THEM ALL, it's all I ask for Christmas.
You're entitled to you opinion, but frankly, you're full of shit and here's why. 1) You calling Mingo a bust? 2) enlighten me as to who the Browns cut that's having a Pro Bowl season. FYI they dumped super bust Richardson and got at least 30 cents on the dollar over it. BTW, Whittaker and McGahee are averaging about the same ypc than our departed super stud, Baker is a practice squad player so STFU about the lack of rushing. It might help if the Browns guards didn't suck.
LOL, so tell me, who just won the AFC North? by your standards, Marvin Lewis should have been fired multiple times- and you got your wish when Artie fired HOFer Bill Belichick prematurely.
nope I'm the one and only and I'm fed up with the bullshit they keep running out on the field. Everyone looking through beer goggles keeps hitting the replay button oh just give em a chance to get their players in here. They had their chance and blew every opportunity. Andy Reid took a two win team and is in the playoffs this year. Open your fukcing eyes people it can be done in one offseason. How many 4 win seasons do you people want to go through?
Don't bring up the Chiefs either- they already had a studly defense in place- 4 Pro Bowlers, and ummmm they've had exactly ONE quarterback this year, care to tell me how many the Browns have gone through? You blaming Wee-done on Haslam too? Incidentally, the Browns may well have beaten the Chiefs in KC no less- if Bess hadn't been lighting up fatties before the game. Gee, I suppose nothing less than 100% success rate on free agents is going to keep you happy.
anything less than 10 wins is unacceptable
Sure, keep dreaming- or find another team, the Broncos and Seahawks are accepting frontrunners. so assuming you were a Texans or Falcons fan, you going to kill yourself? I'm sure tons of their fans said anything less than 10 wins is unacceptable. They were all set up for a Super Bowl run, didn't exactly happen, no? Lions were set up for the playoffs, that isn't happening either.
FYI Chud is the best coach the Browns have had in the expansion era, and you'd have to go back to Marty or Rutigliano to find an equal- and FYI- I go all the way back to Paul Brown. You can only coach the hand you're dealt. There's been one constant since 1999 for the Browns- Blowing everything up every 2-3 years. This time, I'm sticking with the program.
There's been one constant since 1999 for the Browns- Blowing everything up every 2-3 years. This time, I'm sticking with the program.
Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.
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There's been one constant since 1999 for the Browns- Blowing everything up every 2-3 years. This time, I'm sticking with the program.
Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.
Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.
I'm beginning to distinctly hate a significant portion of the Browns fan base because they have us in rebuild/retool hell every 2-3 years. Going forward the only thing that will make me not be a Browns fan anymore is if they continue to blow it up. The OP needs to stop being a Browns fan in all seriousness. Whining for the owner to blow it up after 1 season is so utterly bereft of any sort of intelligence in general let alone football IQ, that I really have to scratch my head and ask who the fuck are these people that like watching new stink ever 2 years. And just when we start to show signs of not stinking at that. What we didn't go 16-0? Blow it up jimmy
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Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.
I'm beginning to distinctly hate a significant portion of the Browns fan base because they have us in rebuild/retool hell every 2-3 years. Going forward the only thing that will make me not be a Browns fan anymore is if they continue to blow it up. The OP needs to stop being a Browns fan in all seriousness. Whining for the owner to blow it up after 1 season is so utterly bereft of any sort of intelligence in general let alone football IQ, that I really have to scratch my head and ask who the fuck are these people that like watching new stink ever 2 years. And just when we start to show signs of not stinking at that. What we didn't go 16-0? Blow it up jimmy
I'm beginning to distinctly hate a significant portion of the Browns fan base because they have us in rebuild/retool hell every 2-3 years. Going forward the only thing that will make me not be a Browns fan anymore is if they continue to blow it up. The OP needs to stop being a Browns fan in all seriousness. Whining for the owner to blow it up after 1 season is so utterly bereft of any sort of intelligence in general let alone football IQ, that I really have to scratch my head and ask who the fuck are these people that like watching new stink ever 2 years. And just when we start to show signs of not stinking at that. What we didn't go 16-0? Blow it up jimmy
The fan base has NOTHING to do or to say about the matter or should I say....in the matter.
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Because I know garbage when I see it. All I saw from this regime is garbage. The only thing they did right was fleece Indy, and that is only if they score with the pick because they failed miserably with every pick this past draft. I'll invite you all over for smoked crow if I'm wrong but sorry people I see it for what it is and it's all garbage. There are 3 first year coaches that have 8 wins or more this year and 1 will probably have 11 wins. So if 4 wins excites you enjoy because 4 wins is all you are getting next year.
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Absolutely no point in going forward with the current regime. Their entire draft was a bust. Their FA signings were a bust. They cut players that go on to have pro bowl seasons compared to what they kept on the roster. Our DC is a joke. We can't gain 2 yards when given 7 trys. Really? Someone please try to convince me as to why this group can win more that 4 games next year, cause I don't see it. And please don't use the continuity BS, the only continuity this group will bring is back to back 4 win seasons. Every free agent on this team is going to bolt for higher ground leaving even more holes to fill. PLEASE JIMMY FIRE THEM ALL, it's all I ask for Christmas.
Absolutely no point in going forward with the current regime. Their entire draft was a bust. Their FA signings were a bust. They cut players that go on to have pro bowl seasons compared to what they kept on the roster. Our DC is a joke. We can't gain 2 yards when given 7 trys. Really? Someone please try to convince me as to why this group can win more that 4 games next year, cause I don't see it. And please don't use the continuity BS, the only continuity this group will bring is back to back 4 win seasons. Every free agent on this team is going to bolt for higher ground leaving even more holes to fill. PLEASE JIMMY FIRE THEM ALL, it's all I ask for Christmas.
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