Who is the number one player you want in the 2014 draft?
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@mike-h said:
Scrambling is not a structured or designed play. There is no "good scrambling" vs. "bad scrambling" . He does hold the ball out where defenders can get it, that's the only relevant point you made. If he did that in my training camp, he would be benched until he learned to tuck it securely.
Speaking of this, did you see Kaepernick on scrambles in the divisional playoff game vs Panthers? Holding the ball one hand, away from his body, no tuck. And this in a playoff game pulling that crap. I bet Manziel will do the same thing in the NFL.
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@mike-h said:
Scrambling is not a structured or designed play. There is no "good scrambling" vs. "bad scrambling" . He does hold the ball out where defenders can get it, that's the only relevant point you made. If he did that in my training camp, he would be benched until he learned to tuck it securely.
Speaking of this, did you see Kaepernick on scrambles in the divisional playoff game vs Panthers? Holding the ball one hand, away from his body, no tuck. And this in a playoff game pulling that crap. I bet Manziel will do the same thing in the NFL.
Speaking of this, did you see Kaepernick on scrambles in the divisional playoff game vs Panthers? Holding the ball one hand, away from his body, no tuck. And this in a playoff game pulling that crap. I bet Manziel will do the same thing in the NFL.
Get his team to the playoffs?
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@mike-h said:
Bingo.
I watched enough, I have the pukebags to prove it. No, I really don't. But seriously, I got em.
I struggled my way through every single game of his this season. If I see another WR screen pass, I'll literally die.
I struggled my way through every single game of his this season. If I see another WR screen pass, I'll literally die.
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I struggled my way through every single game of his this season. If I see another WR screen pass, I'll literally die.
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Get his team to the playoffs?
Ha!
Only a matter of time until something bad happens, leaving the ball unprotected like that.
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@mike-h said:
No, Tour, I mean, every mobile QB has a higher risk for injury. Are you advocating against the shift towards that style of play?
Manziel ran on a ton of designed runs and option pass plays. His offense in the pros would have to minimize the risk, but incorporate a lot of the skills he has, like boot legs and zone reads.
I think the game is definitely trending that way, woukdnt you feel safe having Hoyer as the backup, ala Cousins in DC, if something did happen to JF?
I just think a competent dual threat QB opens things up exponentially, and it would be silly to resist the trend because if that fear.
Advocating against the read option? Yes... I am doing that. What I am afraid of is spending a high pick on a QB that does not survive his rookie season to follow a trend that will reverse itself before we can effectively implement it.
In 2014 I'd feel better with Hoyer starting with Campbell and "Rookie-TDB" throwing to Gordon and Watkins.
If you want to run the read option at the pro level there are plenty of lower round QBs we can tab. One might even turn out to be another Kaepernick or Wilson. But to spend a high #1, let alone any #1, on a read option QB is just insane in my book.
Oh... but I did figure out JF=JohnnyFootball... so I've got that going for me...
Ice Dawg19 said:
Watch Manziel run. He runs with the ball away from his body, flaring it all over. His scrambling is all over the field and has no structure to it, he also likes to turn into blindsided areas. In the NFL he is going to get smashed, and fumbles will be the norm. Watch Russel Wilson scramble, it looks somewhat structured compared to that backyard football crap that Manziel tries.
Draft Watkins, and be done with it.
Damn... now I'm actually starting to like you...
No.
LOL... was a bit too obvious???
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Get his team to the playoffs?
Ha!
Only a matter of time until something bad happens, leaving the ball unprotected like that.
Ha!
Only a matter of time until something bad happens, leaving the ball unprotected like that.
I'm sure you're referring to fumbles.
Like the 12 fumbles Brandon Weeden has so far. The 12 fumbles that go with his 155 rushing yards. That's an average of 6 yards per game.
I'm not a Manziel proponent. I would rather see us go with Bortles, personally. But you're nitpicking over an easily remedied issue.
As Mike said, bench him in camp until he learns to tuck the ball. That's it, game over.
Not taking a guy who could possibly turn the franchise around because he might fumble when making plays is just...it's just...I literally cannot think of the right adjective.
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Watch this past seasons game vs. Boise State. Then get back to me. Derek spread the ball all over the field and shredded them. He made play after play and with the game on the line, under extreme pressure, drove the ball down the field and pulled off the victory.
So what if he had a bad bowl game. He should have gotten the Heisman but was snubbed, typical. Should go to the best senior, which Carr was. Most yards, ton of TDs, give me a break- he wasn't even close. All players lose sometimes. Hell, look at the NFL, Rodgers is at home, all but 4 are watching with the rest of us, there's some good ones out too, but in the end only 1 will win the Lombardi.
And obviously, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh sees enough in Colt McCoy to have him the heir apparent should something happen to Kap. He's scrambling and taking hits, it's just a matter of time until Colt will need to step in and Jim is fine with Colt doing that, even if it's the Superbowl.
NOW, I'm sorry if you don't care for my opinion of Colt, but an NFL head coach like Harbaugh's opinion carries a hell of a lot more weight than your gay fucking noodle arm statement.
Regardless of what you think, we were much closer to being a relevant franchise again when Colt was the QB than we were this last year with the revolving door of cow shit we had slinging it across the field. And Colt didn't even have a WR worth his weight in salt(AND SALT IS FUCKING CHEAP)!
Arm Strength is something you need to go learn a thing or two about, I think you are confused about what is important and just how much "arm strength" is needed. You can have all the arm strength in the world but if attached to Brandon Weeden it doesn't really matter. Your arm strength attached to Peyton Manning could still be enough to get the job done. It's irrelevant.
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David Carr was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2002 NFL Draft, the first draft pick in the history of the Houston Texans, but never became the cornerstone of the franchise. Now, with the Texans in free fall and clearly in need of a new long-term answer at quarterback, could Carr's younger brother -- Fresno State senior Derek Carr -- be the answer?
One general manager told NFL Media insider Ian Rapoport on Wednesday he believes that Carr could be the first player selected in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Teddy Twatwater of Louisville has long been the presumptive favorite to be the first quarterback off the board since demolishing Florida's talented defense in the 2013 Sugar Bowl.
But concerns will linger about whether Bridgewater's slender frame he's listed at 6-foot-3, 205 pounds), can handle the punishment NFL defenses deliver, in spite of his ability to deliver the miraculous.
From a physical standpoint, Carr (6-3, 218) is more of a finished product with his sturdy frame, top-flight arm strength, and underrated mobility. His production cannot be disputed. He threw for 4,866 yards and 48 touchdowns this season to lead the FBS in both categories while guiding the Bulldogs to an 11-1 record and Mountain West Conference championship. Carr will get one more chance to bolster those credentials in the Las Vegas Bowl on Dec. 21 against a ferocious USC pass rush.
But as Rapoport asked the GM, "What if (the) Texans have (the) No. 1 pick?" Would the organization be able to separate Derek Carr the prospect from David Carr the Houston Texan washout? What about the fans?
They should be able to distinguish between the two. The Texans aren't an expansion franchise anymore, instead possessing a roster with two top receivers in stalwart Andre Johnson and standout rookie DeAndre Hopkins, an offensive line that has actually surrendered fewer sacks than the New England Patriots this season, and a loaded defense anchored by superstar defensive end J.J. Watt.
The Texans have lost their last seven games by a total of 29 points, which reflects specific breakdowns and not a glaring lack of talent like David Carr encountered.
Add Derek Carr to that nucleus and he could easily be the catalyst for an immediate turnaround, similar to what Russell Wilson offered the Seattle Seahawks and Andrew Luck the Indianapolis Colts as rookies last season.
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Haters. Russell Wilson? Andrew Luck? Number 1 overall? Hmm, seems like I'm not the only one that thinks D.C. is legit. At least one NFL General Manager agrees with me.
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David Carr was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2002 NFL Draft, the first draft pick in the history of the Houston Texans, but never became the cornerstone of the franchise. Now, with the Texans in free fall and clearly in need of a new long-term answer at quarterback, could Carr's younger brother -- Fresno State senior Derek Carr -- be the answer?
One general manager told NFL Media insider Ian Rapoport on Wednesday he believes that Carr could be the first player selected in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Teddy Twatwater of Louisville has long been the presumptive favorite to be the first quarterback off the board since demolishing Florida's talented defense in the 2013 Sugar Bowl.
But concerns will linger about whether Bridgewater's slender frame he's listed at 6-foot-3, 205 pounds), can handle the punishment NFL defenses deliver, in spite of his ability to deliver the miraculous.
From a physical standpoint, Carr (6-3, 218) is more of a finished product with his sturdy frame, top-flight arm strength, and underrated mobility. His production cannot be disputed. He threw for 4,866 yards and 48 touchdowns this season to lead the FBS in both categories while guiding the Bulldogs to an 11-1 record and Mountain West Conference championship. Carr will get one more chance to bolster those credentials in the Las Vegas Bowl on Dec. 21 against a ferocious USC pass rush.
But as Rapoport asked the GM, "What if (the) Texans have (the) No. 1 pick?" Would the organization be able to separate Derek Carr the prospect from David Carr the Houston Texan washout? What about the fans?
They should be able to distinguish between the two. The Texans aren't an expansion franchise anymore, instead possessing a roster with two top receivers in stalwart Andre Johnson and standout rookie DeAndre Hopkins, an offensive line that has actually surrendered fewer sacks than the New England Patriots this season, and a loaded defense anchored by superstar defensive end J.J. Watt.
The Texans have lost their last seven games by a total of 29 points, which reflects specific breakdowns and not a glaring lack of talent like David Carr encountered.
Add Derek Carr to that nucleus and he could easily be the catalyst for an immediate turnaround, similar to what Russell Wilson offered the Seattle Seahawks and Andrew Luck the Indianapolis Colts as rookies last season.
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Haters. Russell Wilson? Andrew Luck? Number 1 overall? Hmm, seems like I'm not the only one that thinks D.C. is legit. At least one NFL General Manager agrees with me.
David Carr was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2002 NFL Draft, the first draft pick in the history of the Houston Texans, but never became the cornerstone of the franchise. Now, with the Texans in free fall and clearly in need of a new long-term answer at quarterback, could Carr's younger brother -- Fresno State senior Derek Carr -- be the answer?
One general manager told NFL Media insider Ian Rapoport on Wednesday he believes that Carr could be the first player selected in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Teddy Twatwater of Louisville has long been the presumptive favorite to be the first quarterback off the board since demolishing Florida's talented defense in the 2013 Sugar Bowl.
But concerns will linger about whether Bridgewater's slender frame he's listed at 6-foot-3, 205 pounds), can handle the punishment NFL defenses deliver, in spite of his ability to deliver the miraculous.
From a physical standpoint, Carr (6-3, 218) is more of a finished product with his sturdy frame, top-flight arm strength, and underrated mobility. His production cannot be disputed. He threw for 4,866 yards and 48 touchdowns this season to lead the FBS in both categories while guiding the Bulldogs to an 11-1 record and Mountain West Conference championship. Carr will get one more chance to bolster those credentials in the Las Vegas Bowl on Dec. 21 against a ferocious USC pass rush.
But as Rapoport asked the GM, "What if (the) Texans have (the) No. 1 pick?" Would the organization be able to separate Derek Carr the prospect from David Carr the Houston Texan washout? What about the fans?
They should be able to distinguish between the two. The Texans aren't an expansion franchise anymore, instead possessing a roster with two top receivers in stalwart Andre Johnson and standout rookie DeAndre Hopkins, an offensive line that has actually surrendered fewer sacks than the New England Patriots this season, and a loaded defense anchored by superstar defensive end J.J. Watt.
The Texans have lost their last seven games by a total of 29 points, which reflects specific breakdowns and not a glaring lack of talent like David Carr encountered.
Add Derek Carr to that nucleus and he could easily be the catalyst for an immediate turnaround, similar to what Russell Wilson offered the Seattle Seahawks and Andrew Luck the Indianapolis Colts as rookies last season.
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Haters. Russell Wilson? Andrew Luck? Number 1 overall? Hmm, seems like I'm not the only one that thinks D.C. is legit. At least one NFL General Manager agrees with me.
Let Me guess..Lametardi?
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God I hope so~! I guess I just have an eye for talent. It just comes natural.
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Watch this past seasons game vs. Boise State. Then get back to me. Derek spread the ball all over the field and shredded them. He made play after play and with the game on the line, under extreme pressure, drove the ball down the field and pulled off the victory.
So what if he had a bad bowl game. He should have gotten the Heisman but was snubbed, typical. Should go to the best senior, which Carr was. Most yards, ton of TDs, give me a break- he wasn't even close. All players lose sometimes. Hell, look at the NFL, Rodgers is at home, all but 4 are watching with the rest of us, there's some good ones out too, but in the end only 1 will win the Lombardi.
And obviously, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh sees enough in Colt McCoy to have him the heir apparent should something happen to Kap. He's scrambling and taking hits, it's just a matter of time until Colt will need to step in and Jim is fine with Colt doing that, even if it's the Superbowl.
NOW, I'm sorry if you don't care for my opinion of Colt, but an NFL head coach like Harbaugh's opinion carries a hell of a lot more weight than your gay fucking noodle arm statement.
Regardless of what you think, we were much closer to being a relevant franchise again when Colt was the QB than we were this last year with the revolving door of cow shit we had slinging it across the field. And Colt didn't even have a WR worth his weight in salt(AND SALT IS FUCKING CHEAP)!
Arm Strength is something you need to go learn a thing or two about, I think you are confused about what is important and just how much "arm strength" is needed. You can have all the arm strength in the world but if attached to Brandon Weeden it doesn't really matter. Your arm strength attached to Peyton Manning could still be enough to get the job done. It's irrelevant.
Watch this past seasons game vs. Boise State. Then get back to me. Derek spread the ball all over the field and shredded them. He made play after play and with the game on the line, under extreme pressure, drove the ball down the field and pulled off the victory.
So what if he had a bad bowl game. He should have gotten the Heisman but was snubbed, typical. Should go to the best senior, which Carr was. Most yards, ton of TDs, give me a break- he wasn't even close. All players lose sometimes. Hell, look at the NFL, Rodgers is at home, all but 4 are watching with the rest of us, there's some good ones out too, but in the end only 1 will win the Lombardi.
And obviously, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh sees enough in Colt McCoy to have him the heir apparent should something happen to Kap. He's scrambling and taking hits, it's just a matter of time until Colt will need to step in and Jim is fine with Colt doing that, even if it's the Superbowl.
NOW, I'm sorry if you don't care for my opinion of Colt, but an NFL head coach like Harbaugh's opinion carries a hell of a lot more weight than your gay fucking noodle arm statement.
Regardless of what you think, we were much closer to being a relevant franchise again when Colt was the QB than we were this last year with the revolving door of cow shit we had slinging it across the field. And Colt didn't even have a WR worth his weight in salt(AND SALT IS FUCKING CHEAP)!
Arm Strength is something you need to go learn a thing or two about, I think you are confused about what is important and just how much "arm strength" is needed. You can have all the arm strength in the world but if attached to Brandon Weeden it doesn't really matter. Your arm strength attached to Peyton Manning could still be enough to get the job done. It's irrelevant.
Colt was worth a 6th round pick to them.
Alex Smith, Ryan Tannehill, Palmer, Flacco, Newton, Cutler, Dalton, Hoyer, Ben, Stafford, Bradford, Foles, Glennon, and almost every other starter you can name is a better QB than Colt.
Colt is their backup, they have him because he was cheap.
I'd be fine with Colt as a backup, not a starter.
And Colt's arm isn't just a noodle, it's a flabbery piece of over cooked angel hair.
Hoyers arm isn't a cannon, but it's still better than McCoys.
And McCoys only fault isn't his noodle arm it's just one of them. He could compensate for his noodle arm by getting passes over defenders, putting the ball on target, and making quick progressions.
But he doesn't. He's an average backup with a noodle arm. I prefer Hoyer and Campbell over him tbh.
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lol, okay sure, keep jacking off to Weeden's cannon throws to the turf! LOL I'd take McCoy's average arm and leadership, to what we have now. Hoyer = McCoy in almost every aspect. Same arm different face, like I said whatever helps you sleep at night.
Almost everyone wanted to see what Colt could do with some weapons around him and a right fucking tackle that didn't give DEs a free ride to the QB. When we got T-Rich we were that close... then we drafted Weeden, and well, you know the rest. Good times, right? No. So don't tell me what you think you know. You don't.
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And so what if the 49er only had to give up a 6th for him. That F.O. would have given him away for anything to get Colt out of here after the way they fucked him.
"Oh yeah, we believe Colt can be the guy...yada yada yada" They fucked him in the concussion thing, over and over again, wake up to what is really going on.
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lol, okay sure, keep jacking off to Weeden's cannon throws to the turf! LOL I'd take McCoy's average arm and leadership, to what we have now. Hoyer = McCoy in almost every aspect. Same arm different face, like I said whatever helps you sleep at night.
Almost everyone wanted to see what Colt could do with some weapons around him and a right fucking tackle that didn't give DEs a free ride to the QB. When we got T-Rich we were that close... then we drafted Weeden, and well, you know the rest. Good times, right? No. So don't tell me what you think you know. You don't.
Hoyer = Colt except he makes progressions faster, is more accurate, and he can throw the ball over his offensive line.lol, okay sure, keep jacking off to Weeden's cannon throws to the turf! LOL I'd take McCoy's average arm and leadership, to what we have now. Hoyer = McCoy in almost every aspect. Same arm different face, like I said whatever helps you sleep at night.
Almost everyone wanted to see what Colt could do with some weapons around him and a right fucking tackle that didn't give DEs a free ride to the QB. When we got T-Rich we were that close... then we drafted Weeden, and well, you know the rest. Good times, right? No. So don't tell me what you think you know. You don't.
And Trent is worse than the running back we pulled out of the depths on the Cowboys practice squad.
You must be a big SEC fan?
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Hoyer = Colt except he makes progressions faster, is more accurate, and he can throw the ball over his offensive line.lol, okay sure, keep jacking off to Weeden's cannon throws to the turf! LOL I'd take McCoy's average arm and leadership, to what we have now. Hoyer = McCoy in almost every aspect. Same arm different face, like I said whatever helps you sleep at night.
Almost everyone wanted to see what Colt could do with some weapons around him and a right fucking tackle that didn't give DEs a free ride to the QB. When we got T-Rich we were that close... then we drafted Weeden, and well, you know the rest. Good times, right? No. So don't tell me what you think you know. You don't.
And Trent is worse than the running back we pulled out of the depths on the Cowboys practice squad.
You must be a big SEC fan?
Hoyer = Colt except he makes progressions faster, is more accurate, and he can throw the ball over his offensive line.
And Trent is worse than the running back we pulled out of the depths on the Cowboys practice squad.
You must be a big SEC fan?
No..he's gay and delusional...or worse yet.."Lumburgh"
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I was originally going to ask if he was a longhorn fan, but Trent went to bama.
I wasn't going to attack him personally tho
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