I would eat an Entire bag of dicks if it got you to like me
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Yea, we ARE smart enough to know a photoshopped picture when we see one. Or, more likely these T-shirts were handed out to every Ravens player and they were told to wear them. This picture was taken when he was with the Ravens, so that is probably it.
LOL boy you're an idiot...yes all the players got these from Ray Lewis...who wears Modell on his shirt since the day he came here. (another fact you wouldn't know)...Ask Kruger next time you see him...what he thinks about Modell? And again, you're wrong...he got this shirt last year, but still wears it every game as a brown. He is on record of saying this on radio....
Sorry to upset you but its true. You may know your history and be some NFL expert, but you're wrong about this one.
LOL boy you're an idiot...yes all the players got these from Ray Lewis...who wears Modell on his shirt since the day he came here. (another fact you wouldn't know)...Ask Kruger next time you see him...what he thinks about Modell? And again, you're wrong...he got this shirt last year, but still wears it every game as a brown. He is on record of saying this on radio....
Sorry to upset you but its true. You may know your history and be some NFL expert, but you're wrong about this one.
That picture was taken when he was a Raven.
And OK, I will ask hom about this the next time I see him.....like we hang out together
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Why do you guys keep entertaining this fucking troll? I originally thought he/she was just Ratbird fan that wanted reasonable dialog with us Browns fans. NOT! Fuckin troll douche bag.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein -
Well, here is a statistic that you may be interested in:
Of the current 124 major league franchises in the MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL 43 of them began their existance in another city. That represent 34.6% or more than 1 in 3.
I didn't know the numbers or percentages, but I had no doubt there were many that moved around. The point is, this douche wants to claim Ravens are superior in every way and that Cleveland pro sports teams are all "losers". Something to be proud of that the major league teams here are original home-grown and have stayed here.
I didn't know the numbers or percentages, but I had no doubt there were many that moved around. The point is, this douche wants to claim Ravens are superior in every way and that Cleveland pro sports teams are all "losers". Something to be proud of that the major league teams here are original home-grown and have stayed here.
Well, the Indians have been better run than the Orioles since the early 90s.
But, obviously the Ravens have been a quality franchise since they shed Art Modell in 1999. And the Browns have sucked under the Lerner ownership.....and Haslam hasn't started out well.
And yes, of all Cleveland teams, none of them began somewhere else. None of them are part of the 34.6% that have moved.
And FYI, I do NOT include the Ravens as being part of that "moved franchise" portion.
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Why do you guys keep entertaining this fucking troll? I originally thought he/she was just Ratbird fan that wanted reasonable dialog with us Browns fans. NOT! Fuckin troll douche bag.
Why do you guys keep entertaining this fucking troll? I originally thought he/she was just Ratbird fan that wanted reasonable dialog with us Browns fans. NOT! Fuckin troll douche bag.
Pure entertainment my dear friend.
The thing is with some of these guys is that they are too numb with stupidity to know when they have been sliced, diced and drawn and quartered and they bleed out never knowing that they've been hurt.
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I finally got through reading this thread. What kept my interest? This Ravens fan that I can't believe how misinformed and delusional he is. He can't see logic at all, and is just running in circles. He has contradicted everything he says. I was keeping track but lost count of the contradictions.
BTW, what is with the stupid chant? Leave it up to your fan base to take a good song and butcher it. Annoying. But what's laughable is how pathetic it is and unoriginal, as you stole the idea from European soccer fans who have been doing it years before you. (There's a peculiar pattern of stealing in the land of Baltimore.)
Baltimore: They can't hang onto a franchise, nor start one from scratch.
You're an idiot....just because sundays in BALTIMORE and the fan experience in M&T Bank is far superior then to the one in Cleveland no need to hate. funny that you bring up the song and chant...if you listen around the league...everyone has started to "try" and do that since the Ravens won super bowl. Maybe it was taken from European soccer fans, but no one in the NFL had been doing it.
Baltimore > Cleveland in sports....no doubt about it.
You're an idiot....just because sundays in BALTIMORE and the fan experience in M&T Bank is far superior then to the one in Cleveland no need to hate. funny that you bring up the song and chant...if you listen around the league...everyone has started to "try" and do that since the Ravens won super bowl. Maybe it was taken from European soccer fans, but no one in the NFL had been doing it.
Baltimore > Cleveland in sports....no doubt about it.
You resort to calling me an idiot, and I referred to you as Ravens fan. Classy. And you came here to "talk football". Uh-huh.
I have not been to M&T Bank stadium to give an opinion on if the fan experence is superior or not. Have you been to Browns stadium to make this opinionated statement? Even if you have, Gipper is right: IF Ravens stadium is a better fan experience it's only due to winning. I bet Browns stadium is right there with the Ravens stadium as far as fan experience, and I guarantee you when the Browns make a playoff run it will crush the Ravens fan experience on their best day. Even further...Browns and a SB....Ravens fans might as well be whispering.
There is a reason no one in the NFL was doing it. It's Retarded. I also guarantee you no Browns fans tried to hack up Seven Nation Army by chanting it as a fight song, especially after Ravens started doing it. Ask fans of our other division rivals if they have...I bet the answer is the same.
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I didn't know the numbers or percentages, but I had no doubt there were many that moved around. The point is, this douche wants to claim Ravens are superior in every way and that Cleveland pro sports teams are all "losers". Something to be proud of that the major league teams here are original home-grown and have stayed here.
Well, the Indians have been better run than the Orioles since the early 90s.
But, obviously the Ravens have been a quality franchise since they shed Art Modell in 1999. And the Browns have sucked under the Lerner ownership.....and Haslam hasn't started out well.
And yes, of all Cleveland teams, none of them began somewhere else. None of them are part of the 34.6% that have moved.
And FYI, I do NOT include the Ravens as being part of that "moved franchise" portion.
Well, the Indians have been better run than the Orioles since the early 90s.
But, obviously the Ravens have been a quality franchise since they shed Art Modell in 1999. And the Browns have sucked under the Lerner ownership.....and Haslam hasn't started out well.
And yes, of all Cleveland teams, none of them began somewhere else. None of them are part of the 34.6% that have moved.
And FYI, I do NOT include the Ravens as being part of that "moved franchise" portion.
Agreed. I can't argue with anything you've said here.
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I finally got through reading this thread. What kept my interest? This Ravens fan that I can't believe how misinformed and delusional he is. He can't see logic at all, and is just running in circles. He has contradicted everything he says. I was keeping track but lost count of the contradictions.
BTW, what is with the stupid chant? Leave it up to your fan base to take a good song and butcher it. Annoying. But what's laughable is how pathetic it is and unoriginal, as you stole the idea from European soccer fans who have been doing it years before you. (There's a peculiar pattern of stealing in the land of Baltimore.)
Baltimore: They can't hang onto a franchise, nor start one from scratch.
You're an idiot....just because sundays in BALTIMORE and the fan experience in M&T Bank is far superior then to the one in Cleveland no need to hate. funny that you bring up the song and chant...if you listen around the league...everyone has started to "try" and do that since the Ravens won super bowl. Maybe it was taken from European soccer fans, but no one in the NFL had been doing it.
Baltimore > Cleveland in sports....no doubt about it.
You came here starting to seem like a decent guy. Then you revealed you're just here to be an a**hole troll.Bag O said:
You're an idiot....just because sundays in BALTIMORE and the fan experience in M&T Bank is far superior then to the one in Cleveland no need to hate. funny that you bring up the song and chant...if you listen around the league...everyone has started to "try" and do that since the Ravens won super bowl. Maybe it was taken from European soccer fans, but no one in the NFL had been doing it.
Baltimore > Cleveland in sports....no doubt about it.
You can't just come to a browns board and say "Baltimore is better than everyone, I have a gold plated replica of Art Modells genitals but I wish I could have felt the real thing"
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Really? Show me the Official Certified Edict that declares the Ravens to be considered a Top 5 model franchise. And that shows the Browns to be one of the worst.
Give me something OTHER than your stupid opinion.
Because right now what I see is two teams in similar circumstance. They spit their series this past year, and they both failed to make the playoffs.
LOL @ YOU....you are like Orioles fans in town...you back your team at every chance even when the obvious is the obvious and they stink.
Go ask any NFL talking head or anyone who you consider a smart NFLer and ask them the question of Browns franchise vs. Ravens...they will laugh at you.
Ravens are top 5. check winning percentage, draft picks, pro bowlers, championships, GM (regarded as best in league), etc. I could go on forever. Is there anything the Browns have better than Ravens at this point?
LOL @ YOU....you are like Orioles fans in town...you back your team at every chance even when the obvious is the obvious and they stink.
So you wouldn't back the ravens if they sucked. Got it.
What do you want us to do? Start rooting for the ravens because the browns have had a bad streak?
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LOL @ YOU....you are like Orioles fans in town...you back your team at every chance even when the obvious is the obvious and they stink.
Go ask any NFL talking head or anyone who you consider a smart NFLer and ask them the question of Browns franchise vs. Ravens...they will laugh at you.
Ravens are top 5. check winning percentage, draft picks, pro bowlers, championships, GM (regarded as best in league), etc. I could go on forever. Is there anything the Browns have better than Ravens at this point?
But show me something official. You opened your mouth. now prove it.
As for what do the Browns have that the Rats don't:
Winning pct...the Rats were what 8-8? Hardly Top 5% Sure, better than the Browns. Congratulations on being mediocre.
Draft picks? The Brown have 10 picks in the upcoming draft.
Pro Bowlers? The Browns had more: Gordon/Thomas/Mack/Cameron/Haden/Ward
Ravens: Yanda, Ngata, Suggs, Tucker
Championships? You have a couple. Of the 32 NFL franchises 14 of them have more than your measly 2, and 5 others have just as many. And the Browns have 8.
But show me something official. You opened your mouth. now prove it.
As for what do the Browns have that the Rats don't:
Winning pct...the Rats were what 8-8? Hardly Top 5% Sure, better than the Browns. Congratulations on being mediocre.
Draft picks? The Brown have 10 picks in the upcoming draft.
Pro Bowlers? The Browns had more: Gordon/Thomas/Mack/Cameron/Haden/Ward
Ravens: Yanda, Ngata, Suggs, Tucker
Championships? You have a couple. Of the 32 NFL franchises 14 of them have more than your measly 2, and 5 others have just as many. And the Browns have 8.
They show it year in and year out....pro bowlers as a whole not just last year. Clearly, you only live by your own opinion or u come up with these dumb facts...We just won the freaking super bowl last year...if you can't rebuild a little when can you? LOL we lost 9 starters and still finished better than the Browns. LOL
Every GM, Head coach, analyst speaks glowingly of Newsome, Harbaugh, Bisciotti and company....you;d be dumb to think otherwise.
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Ask Kruger next time you see him...what he thinks about Modell? And again, you're wrong...he got this shirt last year, but still wears it every game as a brown. He is on record of saying this on radio....
Prove it.. If it was on radio, I'm sure you can find the interview on the stations website.
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Oh yeah because Bill was worth a hoot before Brady showed up...Lets see how he fairs after Tommy boy retires....
Marty Schottenheimer? Oh yeah....so amazing....how many super bowls he won?
He hired Brian Billick. He won a championship.
He was part of process to hire John Harbaugh...He won a championship.
whats your argument? You have none.
The one poster is right. You talk in circles and contradict yourself.
Hoorta's point is that Modell will have fired more HOF or near HOF coaches than just about any one ever. He did fire PB and BB....for what its worth, those two are Hall of Famers.
And just because you didn't win a title like Marty didn't mean he wasn't a good coach. Lots of good coaches never won titles: Chuck Knox, Bud Grant, Marv Levy, etc.
And FYI, Art didn't have a cabbage fart to do with hiring Harbaugh. That was Biscotti and Ozzie.
The one poster is right. You talk in circles and contradict yourself.
Hoorta's point is that Modell will have fired more HOF or near HOF coaches than just about any one ever. He did fire PB and BB....for what its worth, those two are Hall of Famers.
And just because you didn't win a title like Marty didn't mean he wasn't a good coach. Lots of good coaches never won titles: Chuck Knox, Bud Grant, Marv Levy, etc.
And FYI, Art didn't have a cabbage fart to do with hiring Harbaugh. That was Biscotti and Ozzie.
Ummm first of all...don't tell me about my team. Modell did sit in the interview process with Bisciotti and Newsome...but think what you want since you KNOW EVERYTHING. Should go work for the NFL.?
Who cares who he fired? Not sure if you know this or not, but almost every coach is hired to eventually be fired...few go out on own terms...
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You're an idiot....just because sundays in BALTIMORE and the fan experience in M&T Bank is far superior then to the one in Cleveland no need to hate. funny that you bring up the song and chant...if you listen around the league...everyone has started to "try" and do that since the Ravens won super bowl. Maybe it was taken from European soccer fans, but no one in the NFL had been doing it.
Baltimore > Cleveland in sports....no doubt about it.
The only reason the "fan experience" at M&T stadium is superior is because the Ravens have been winners.
Anything else doesn't matter.
The only reason the "fan experience" at M&T stadium is superior is because the Ravens have been winners.
Anything else doesn't matter.
Plenty matters....but ok.
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It is far more than your current GM...they made a nice TRICH trade. LOL
Yes, we have had a string of bad GMs.
Like we said: you got lucky to get Ozzie, and we were unlucky to not get him. No one debates that.
Yes, we have had a string of bad GMs.
Like we said: you got lucky to get Ozzie, and we were unlucky to not get him. No one debates that.
Luck? is that what we use now?
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I'm a big boy...I can handle all of this...I just laugh at how angry you people are. I understand how a mess your franchise is and that would upset me too, but sheesh.
You laugh at how angry we are? We laugh at how stupid you are. Somehow, I think we got the better deal.
You laugh at how angry we are? We laugh at how stupid you are. Somehow, I think we got the better deal.
I'm glad...maybe you think I'm stupid, but my fall and winter seasons are enjoyable. It must be tough for you guys....
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Why do you guys keep entertaining this fucking troll? I originally thought he/she was just Ratbird fan that wanted reasonable dialog with us Browns fans. NOT! Fuckin troll douche bag.
Why do you guys keep entertaining this fucking troll? I originally thought he/she was just Ratbird fan that wanted reasonable dialog with us Browns fans. NOT! Fuckin troll douche bag.
You are finally the one speaking truth. All I wanted was to join here and have friendly banter and talk reasonable football. I am in all other teams forums/blogs and others are in our Raven blogs, but no one else blows up at me in those forums.
Like I said, you guys for some reason are bitter towards me.
I never wanted any of this, but once you started it had to happen.
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I didn't know the numbers or percentages, but I had no doubt there were many that moved around. The point is, this douche wants to claim Ravens are superior in every way and that Cleveland pro sports teams are all "losers". Something to be proud of that the major league teams here are original home-grown and have stayed here.
Well, the Indians have been better run than the Orioles since the early 90s.
But, obviously the Ravens have been a quality franchise since they shed Art Modell in 1999. And the Browns have sucked under the Lerner ownership.....and Haslam hasn't started out well.
And yes, of all Cleveland teams, none of them began somewhere else. None of them are part of the 34.6% that have moved.
And FYI, I do NOT include the Ravens as being part of that "moved franchise" portion.
Well, the Indians have been better run than the Orioles since the early 90s.
But, obviously the Ravens have been a quality franchise since they shed Art Modell in 1999. And the Browns have sucked under the Lerner ownership.....and Haslam hasn't started out well.
And yes, of all Cleveland teams, none of them began somewhere else. None of them are part of the 34.6% that have moved.
And FYI, I do NOT include the Ravens as being part of that "moved franchise" portion.
Why aren't they part of that "moved franchise" portion?
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You're an idiot....just because sundays in BALTIMORE and the fan experience in M&T Bank is far superior then to the one in Cleveland no need to hate. funny that you bring up the song and chant...if you listen around the league...everyone has started to "try" and do that since the Ravens won super bowl. Maybe it was taken from European soccer fans, but no one in the NFL had been doing it.
Baltimore > Cleveland in sports....no doubt about it.
You resort to calling me an idiot, and I referred to you as Ravens fan. Classy. And you came here to "talk football". Uh-huh.
I have not been to M&T Bank stadium to give an opinion on if the fan experence is superior or not. Have you been to Browns stadium to make this opinionated statement? Even if you have, Gipper is right: IF Ravens stadium is a better fan experience it's only due to winning. I bet Browns stadium is right there with the Ravens stadium as far as fan experience, and I guarantee you when the Browns make a playoff run it will crush the Ravens fan experience on their best day. Even further...Browns and a SB....Ravens fans might as well be whispering.
There is a reason no one in the NFL was doing it. It's Retarded. I also guarantee you no Browns fans tried to hack up Seven Nation Army by chanting it as a fight song, especially after Ravens started doing it. Ask fans of our other division rivals if they have...I bet the answer is the same.
You resort to calling me an idiot, and I referred to you as Ravens fan. Classy. And you came here to "talk football". Uh-huh.
I have not been to M&T Bank stadium to give an opinion on if the fan experence is superior or not. Have you been to Browns stadium to make this opinionated statement? Even if you have, Gipper is right: IF Ravens stadium is a better fan experience it's only due to winning. I bet Browns stadium is right there with the Ravens stadium as far as fan experience, and I guarantee you when the Browns make a playoff run it will crush the Ravens fan experience on their best day. Even further...Browns and a SB....Ravens fans might as well be whispering.
There is a reason no one in the NFL was doing it. It's Retarded. I also guarantee you no Browns fans tried to hack up Seven Nation Army by chanting it as a fight song, especially after Ravens started doing it. Ask fans of our other division rivals if they have...I bet the answer is the same.
First of all let me laugh real quick...HAHAHAHA you just used playoffs and the Super Bowl in the same sentence as the Cleveland Browns...psh
As for the stupid song u keep getting all up in arms about...Jets, Bills, Bucs, Cardinals, Dolphins...just to name a few have now resorted to trying to use that song and make it work, but okay.
Also, I have been to Browns stadium years ago when they actually had that one decent year with Derek Anderson and even then the stadium and experience was a joke.
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LOL @ YOU....you are like Orioles fans in town...you back your team at every chance even when the obvious is the obvious and they stink.
So you wouldn't back the ravens if they sucked. Got it.
What do you want us to do? Start rooting for the ravens because the browns have had a bad streak?
So you wouldn't back the ravens if they sucked. Got it.
What do you want us to do? Start rooting for the ravens because the browns have had a bad streak?
Negative! I amongst many in Baltimore bash the Orioles because of how they run the business. I listen to WKNR Really Big Show every day and Rizzo and Hammer and the callers who call in ALWAYS bash the Browns.
When you see a bad product and bad business....as a fan you should be pissed off.
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