Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@mike-h said:
Um.... I said Manziel has the ability to be a good NFL QB, and the Browns haven't had one of those in 'forever' -- hyperbole, sorry. So nowhere did I say anything close to what you thought.
And yes, I think if they draft Derek Carr or Garoppolo, they are making a mistake and it would lead to more poor finishes in the AFCN.
I'm not calling you on hyperbole. As a matter of fact I only specified the years since the team has returned.
Anyway we will find out in a couple days and for sure in a year or two when hundreds of people who get paid huge amounts of money will have either guessed correctly or look like chumps.
WSS
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Who did Calvin Johnson make?
No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Who did Calvin Johnson make?
No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
isnt that his job? If you watch film instead of highlights you'd know those balls he "threw up for grabs" mostly came on third and longs, and he was punting if he didnt make a play. Is it a bad thing that he took advantage of his 6'5 reciever? Hes pretty smart with the football.No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
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I love how polarizing Johnny Douchebag is. You either love him, or hate him.
More of us hate him, but those that love him are louder about it.
He is Hillary Clinton
He is Hillary Clinton
I guess that means the Browns get Johnny Football, and we all get Hillary for President then.
So it is written, so it shall be: Ramses, Pharoah of Egypt.
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I don't understand what amazing talent people see in Johnny Douchebag. What have you seen on the field that is just so much better than other QBs?/
Yeah, he runs around and buys time. Yeah, he has "moxy" (he's an arrogant prick). What else exactly?
Mike Evans made JF
Who is better? Mike Evans or Josh Gordon?
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Right now? Obviously Gordon.
Pretty sure the point here was that if Mike Evans can make Johnny Football look as good as he does, Gordon can make him look just as good, if not better.
I'm not worried about "Mike Evans made JF" when we have guys like Gordon and Cameron on the roster. I'm more worried about whether or not JF can dial back the scrambling and trying to fight for extra yards while still keeping the intensity and leadership on the field.
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@walterwhite said:
Blah Blah Blah, that's the most chicken shit tip toe on eggshell pussy nonsense I've ever heard.
signed,
Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, etc.
You start the best QB on the roster, regardless if it's a rookie or not.
Yes, and there is a list of QBs that sat originally and then played very well. There is also a list of QBs that started immediately and failed.
I don't believe the best QB on the roster come week one will be the rookie. I also think you risk messing the guy up if you start him too soon.
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I would be so pissed at 4.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Who did Calvin Johnson make?
No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
Paul Johnson didn't introduce the triple option at GT until 2008, Megatron was drafted in 2007. GT has still produced a few WR prospects with the triple option though in Demarius (sp) Thomas and Stephan Hill. You need a big, fast (aka prototype) WR when you do decide to toss the ball down field.
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Right now? Obviously Gordon.
Pretty sure the point here was that if Mike Evans can make Johnny Football look as good as he does, Gordon can make him look just as good, if not better.
I'm not worried about "Mike Evans made JF" when we have guys like Gordon and Cameron on the roster. I'm more worried about whether or not JF can dial back the scrambling and trying to fight for extra yards while still keeping the intensity and leadership on the field.
Pretty sure the point here was that if Mike Evans can make Johnny Football look as good as he does, Gordon can make him look just as good, if not better.
I'm not worried about "Mike Evans made JF" when we have guys like Gordon and Cameron on the roster. I'm more worried about whether or not JF can dial back the scrambling and trying to fight for extra yards while still keeping the intensity and leadership on the field.
No that's not the major question about JF. NFL defenses are great at taking away what you do best. Example: when the defenses took away Derek Anderson's ability to beat them deep, he was toast. You can bet serious money teams will set up outside contain to keep Johnny Scramble in the pocket, to see if he he can go through his progressions and beat them that way. Although the point has already been made- JF won't be able to get away with chucking the ball up into triple coverage jump ball situations in the big boy league- those Evans miracles will nine times out of ten be interceptions in the NFL.
Yes, and there is a list of QBs that sat originally and then played very well. There is also a list of QBs that started immediately and failed.
I don't believe the best QB on the roster come week one will be the rookie. I also think you risk messing the guy up if you start him too soon.
Yup, Couch & Carr were ruined when the team wasn't ready.
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No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
Paul Johnson didn't introduce the triple option at GT until 2008, Megatron was drafted in 2007. GT has still produced a few WR prospects with the triple option though in Demarius (sp) Thomas and Stephan Hill. You need a big, fast (aka prototype) WR when you do decide to toss the ball down field.
Paul Johnson didn't introduce the triple option at GT until 2008, Megatron was drafted in 2007. GT has still produced a few WR prospects with the triple option though in Demarius (sp) Thomas and Stephan Hill. You need a big, fast (aka prototype) WR when you do decide to toss the ball down field.
Yeah, there have been some WRs that came from the triple option.
I'm not saying all great WRs are made by QBs or all good QBs are made by WRs or anything. I just think JF really benefitted from Mike Evans to the point it detracts from JF some.
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If M. Vick could be contain in the NFL, JF will certainly be too.
The odds are stacked against JF like it or not. He's not NFL ready like A. Luck and being drafted at 4 would require him to START right away.
Why do we have to draft a QB THIS Year? The notion that we must have a complete team AFTER this draft is pure bullchit. A superbowl team take time to build.
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If M. Vick could be contain in the NFL, JF will certainly be too.
The odds are stacked against JF like it or not. He's not NFL ready like A. Luck and being drafted at 4 would require him to START right away.
Why do we have to draft a QB THIS Year? The notion that we must have a complete team AFTER this draft is pure bullchit. A superbowl team take time to build.
If M. Vick could be contain in the NFL, JF will certainly be too.
The odds are stacked against JF like it or not. He's not NFL ready like A. Luck and being drafted at 4 would require him to START right away.
Why do we have to draft a QB THIS Year? The notion that we must have a complete team AFTER this draft is pure bullchit. A superbowl team take time to build.
And the Browns Super Bowl competition loaded up- all in. The Broncos and Pats spent like crazy bringing in top FAs. Do we mesure up to those guys yet?
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If M. Vick could be contain in the NFL, JF will certainly be too.
The odds are stacked against JF like it or not. He's not NFL ready like A. Luck and being drafted at 4 would require him to START right away.
Why do we have to draft a QB THIS Year? The notion that we must have a complete team AFTER this draft is pure bullchit. A superbowl team take time to build.
And the Browns Super Bowl competition loaded up- all in. The Broncos and Pats spent like crazy bringing in top FAs. Do we mesure up to those guys yet?
And the Browns Super Bowl competition loaded up- all in. The Broncos and Pats spent like crazy bringing in top FAs. Do we mesure up to those guys yet?
Nope. Not a chance.
But then it brings up the question, if we can get a rookie QB some experience this year and he plays pretty well, wouldn't we be set up great for next year? (Yeah, I know it's Cleveland's motto...)
With Denver and NE being full of older vets now, and with Seattle potentially losing significant impact players due to all of their experiring rookie contracts, 2016 is looking a little better than 2015, right?
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Who did Calvin Johnson make?
Calvin Johnson III.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
And the Browns Super Bowl competition loaded up- all in. The Broncos and Pats spent like crazy bringing in top FAs. Do we mesure up to those guys yet?
Nope. Not a chance.
But then it brings up the question, if we can get a rookie QB some experience this year and he plays pretty well, wouldn't we be set up great for next year? (Yeah, I know it's Cleveland's motto...)
With Denver and NE being full of older vets now, and with Seattle potentially losing significant impact players due to all of their experiring rookie contracts, 2016 is looking a little better than 2015, right?
Nope. Not a chance.
But then it brings up the question, if we can get a rookie QB some experience this year and he plays pretty well, wouldn't we be set up great for next year? (Yeah, I know it's Cleveland's motto...)
With Denver and NE being full of older vets now, and with Seattle potentially losing significant impact players due to all of their experiring rookie contracts, 2016 is looking a little better than 2015, right?
what happens if we get a rookie QB and get him some experience by playing and he sucks donkey balls? do you then have to draft another rookie QB again next year? do you start him the next year and if he continues to suck donkey balls then have to draft another rookie QB in 2016?
or do you get a rookie QB and let him sit and learn?
the SMART move would be to up the talent at every position where we need to fill holes (which this draft and our picks seem to line up perfectly) and draft some QB next year. but that'd be smart.
fuck george whitfield jr. too. he might as well be an agent that fuckin @#@@%$%@~
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Who did Calvin Johnson make?
Calvin Johnson III.
haha, was that Google's answer?Calvin Johnson III.
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I don't understand what amazing talent people see in Johnny Douchebag. What have you seen on the field that is just so much better than other QBs?/
Yeah, he runs around and buys time. Yeah, he has "moxy" (he's an arrogant prick). What else exactly?
Mike Evans made JF
I don't understand what amazing talent people see in Johnny Douchebag. What have you seen on the field that is just so much better than other QBs?/
Yeah, he runs around and buys time. Yeah, he has "moxy" (he's an arrogant prick). What else exactly?
Mike Evans made JF
How about the way he motivates and leads his teammates during adversity?
How about when Evans loses his cool on the regular, Johnny grabs him by the facemask, puts him in his place, gives him some wise words, and they then make a huge play
How about him having the highest completion percentage FROM THE POCKET of all the other top QB's
How about his ability to anticipate defenders, bait them, and make them look like idiots on the regular.
How about his ability to run head first into a 245lb linbacker and push him back 5 yds (cant do that in the nfl? im pretty sure the LBs are the same size)
How about him having the highest completion percentage on passes of 40 yds or more?
How about him breaking almost every offensive record known to man?
How about him being a little dude, yet repeatedly taking huge hits and get right back up only to throw rediculous TD passes
How about him obliterating Alabama defenses that have many future NFL starters?
How about him being able to make all the NFL throws?
How about him only being 21 years old and already showing fast improvement in the pocket after only 1 year?
I could go on.. really
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If M. Vick could be contain in the NFL, JF will certainly be too.
The odds are stacked against JF like it or not. He's not NFL ready like A. Luck and being drafted at 4 would require him to START right away.
Why do we have to draft a QB THIS Year? The notion that we must have a complete team AFTER this draft is pure bullchit. A superbowl team take time to build.
If M. Vick could be contain in the NFL, JF will certainly be too.
The odds are stacked against JF like it or not. He's not NFL ready like A. Luck and being drafted at 4 would require him to START right away.
Why do we have to draft a QB THIS Year? The notion that we must have a complete team AFTER this draft is pure bullchit. A superbowl team take time to build.
That expectation was set after we fired a hometown coach who had shown some promise after only 1 year.
The attitude is win and win now. There is no other option. Haslam mde that very clear with his actions. Its put up or shut up. Everyone is on a one year trial from here on out
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