Gordon Coming Back?
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@douche-nozzle said:
Good stuff! Finally someone who can state some factual information without being belligerent. But the original discussion was about second hand smoke and while eating "raw" pot can get you high if you eat enough of it, the bottom line is that concentrating it by heating it and bonding it with fat is much, much, more powerful because of the combination of heat and body fat. So.............the point is that once the first hand smoker has heated it by lighting it, absorbed it, and exhaled it, there just isn't going to be much left by the time it drifts 10 feet away and is inhaled in a diluted form with fresh air. I'd bet you could be in the presence of second hand pot smoke for a long time without it showing up at any level.......too bad there are no tests to prove it one way or the other (I wonder why)
Im no expert on second hand smoke, but I would say there are 2 kinds.....one is smoke that has been inhaled and exhaled by someone and the other being ambient smoke coming off a joint or something......Id think "ambient" smoke could get you pretty high if you inhale enough of it.....like a car full of smoke, for example.....think about paint fumes or other things that can effect you when not directly inhaled to get the idea.......
i think we've found the resident expert.....
.... yes you have.....Im no expert on second hand smoke, but I would say there are 2 kinds.....one is smoke that has been inhaled and exhaled by someone and the other being ambient smoke coming off a joint or something......Id think "ambient" smoke could get you pretty high if you inhale enough of it.....like a car full of smoke, for example.....think about paint fumes or other things that can effect you when not directly inhaled to get the idea.......
... and inhaled smoke that does not touch a respiratory surface is unaltered.
Mud, I still think THC is analogous to nicotine in cigarette smoke. And nicotine presence in exhaled smoke is well documented.
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Im no expert on second hand smoke, but I would say there are 2 kinds.....one is smoke that has been inhaled and exhaled by someone and the other being ambient smoke coming off a joint or something......Id think "ambient" smoke could get you pretty high if you inhale enough of it.....like a car full of smoke, for example.....think about paint fumes or other things that can effect you when not directly inhaled to get the idea.......
... and inhaled smoke that does not touch a respiratory surface is unaltered.
Mud, I still think THC is analogous to nicotine in cigarette smoke. And nicotine presence in exhaled smoke is well documented.
Temperature is everything when cooking.
... and inhaled smoke that does not touch a respiratory surface is unaltered.
Mud, I still think THC is analogous to nicotine in cigarette smoke. And nicotine presence in exhaled smoke is well documented.Yeah....I would agree that all smoke has something in it. Just think ambient smoke will have a higher concentration. And I would think the BOTH are present in almost all "smoky" situations. And, no, I dont believe that the temperature of the smoke has any bearing at all.....
...by the time it's "smoke", the chemicals have already been vaporized and are in there. And cooling of the smoke doesn't make them go away.....it just changes their state.....IE: gas, liquid, solid.....
In fact, cooling the smoke will turn the vapor back into a liquid(microscopic though), which actually gets you higher than the gas(vapor).....an example of this would be the used of a bong, using WATER or ICE to cool your smoke....this actually reassembles the vaporized THC into a liquid which will be more concentrated and get you higher....
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Per Dustin Fox :
Mike Cairns @MikeCairns5 · 36m Ed Werder reporting on ESPN that NFL players have agreed on raising testing threshold for pot which would immediately bring 20players back -
@douche-nozzle said:
I wondered about the bong effect but don't you think that a bong simply reduces the temp from 250-300 degrees (for example) to 150-175 degrees, both of which will still bond with the fat molecules in your lungs.......just sting a little less?
Yes. It definitely diminishes the burn(sting) on your body too. But temp is the thing with THC.....
314 degrees = vapor
95-313 degrees = liquid
below 95 = solid
So....the bottom line is that ALL thc entering your system is done in the liquid state....IE: you cant inhale 300 degree anything and it has to be that hot to be a vapor....and anything you ingest thats cooler will be raised at least to body temperature(98).....
So....if the bong cools it to 300 degs or 200 degs or 150 degs or 99 degs...it doesnt matter. The THC is still in the same liquid state.
And any ambient smoke(in the air) will have the full load of THC.....if it's 99 degs or 300 degs....
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Baking raw pot will get you high, but It will suck compared to what you could do. Do you make a habit of microwaving filet? Sautée that shit in some coconut butter, make some fucking cookies, and eat that shit up, yo. I recommend taking several bong rips, bowl hits, vapor hits, vapor pen hits, blunt rips, joint rips, use a needle and coke can and rip that, take a 20oz coke bottle(plastic please) and an emptied out pen, flip the metal part of the pen, tape it to the body, poke a hole in the bottle and place pen in then rip away, you can sauté it and then let it harden and rub it all over you body. Shit, you can even make sunscreen out of it and get high.
Second hand smoke also gets you high.
I fucking love weed. Seriously, I won't quit for anything. Josh is a dumbshit for getting caught. There are many ways around it. I get tested every so often, and to date I've yet to fail. Thing is, I don't even hide the fact that I am a devote pothead from most people. That includes the people that test me. I've passed saliva tests, spontaneous blood testing, and various piss tests. Law states I have two hours to report to test. More than enough time if one is prepared.
As well, I will say this about pot: I left Florida for California to get physical therapy for March and April of this year. I left the hospital and threw away the opiates I was given by the doctors there, and picked up pot cookies, coconut/thc based butters for joint/nerve pain. The best prognosis I received from a doctor in Tampa was to be "normal" again within a year if I worked hard. "Normal" meaning I wouldn't have to have a nurse help me piss/shit, I could use my hands to grasp things, and maybe only be using a cane to help walk. I stopped seeing those goons when within two weeks of dropping those opiates I was using a cane and shooting free throws in my sister's driveway. What does that have to do with this?
I do believe thc is kind of a performance enhancing drug. Maybe not to those that want to smoke it all the time, which I am guilty of as well, but as far as healing goes, don't knock it till you use the stuff, it is simply remarkable. I couldn't feel my right side and most said it wouldn't come back, but two months of coco/pot butter, and I was swinging a club again. Within six months, my average drive is at 280+
As well, when rubbing in the thc based butters, it is somewhat deluded, and I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Josh uses.
I had a different account on here, but I lost my info. So, it does come with a price.
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I have never once got high from second hand smoke and Ive been smoking pot since I was 15 years old.. Second hand smoke is a joke LOL.. puhleeze.. I'm not buying it.
Everyone responds differently, some people can smoke all day long and others are writing encrypted messages to captain crunch after one hit.I have never once got high from second hand smoke and Ive been smoking pot since I was 15 years old.. Second hand smoke is a joke LOL.. puhleeze.. I'm not buying it.
Just because 15 ng of THC wouldn't get you high doesn't mean that it wouldn't be in your system.
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Dude seriously. You are the one trying to prepare yourself for his return. He is an elite receiver playing for your division rival and you know the chances of the Steelers beating the browns when he returns dramatically decreases@douche-nozzle said:
Are you guys prepared for the possibility that Gordon doesn't come back simply because of his host of violations? Regardless of the threshold for pot being changed the league may look at Gordons body of work and maintain his suspension?
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FYI...I'm fucking baked right now.
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Everyone responds differently, some people can smoke all day long and others are writing encrypted messages to captain crunch after one hit.I have never once got high from second hand smoke and Ive been smoking pot since I was 15 years old.. Second hand smoke is a joke LOL.. puhleeze.. I'm not buying it.
Just because 15 ng of THC wouldn't get you high doesn't mean that it wouldn't be in your system.
Everyone responds differently, some people can smoke all day long and others are writing encrypted messages to captain crunch after one hit.
Just because 15 ng of THC wouldn't get you high doesn't mean that it wouldn't be in your system.
Encrypted messages to Captain Crunch! LOL!
Fuckin' hillarious! I almost spit my water all over my keyboard! For me personally, some good music, or chilling outside watching nature at work does it for me. 
As for THC.... while it may stay in your system for up to a month depending on your metabolism, the intoxicating effects generally wear off in 1-3 hours. Sometimes longer, depending on the strain, the amount, and method of consumption. Put it this way, if I take 2 or 3 hits off of a bowl when I get home at 6:30 in the evening, there is no way in HELL you can say right now that I'm intoxicated, or that it is having any effect on me right now. -
Other than bickering about THC levels, does anyone have any info on when they plan on doing the actual vote on this?
Along the lines of this :
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 27s Source says there were issues with the proposal that the NFL put in front of the players tonight, to the point where it wasn't worth voting.
Last update was it's back to the Lawyers to iron out some things and they hope to vote tonight.
I think I saw one sticking point was the DUI provisions/punishments.
Along the lines of this :
Last update was it's back to the Lawyers to iron out some things and they hope to vote tonight.
I think I saw one sticking point was the DUI provisions/punishments.
That was my guess, also.... Goodell set the precedent by letting the Irsay case play out in court- and the players have got him by the you know what over that point. And it wasn't just weed in Irsay's case- it was controlled substances- not sure if he had coke in the car, but I do know with $20,000 in cash on him, he wasn't going down to the local supermarket to pick up groceries for dinner that night.
I heard owners had put in proposal that called for suspending players prior to adjudication of DUI's. Big change from the current "let the legal process play out" stance.
I wonder if it was meant to be a Poison Pill.
Hopefully, they drop that, and make it a 2 game suspension on conviction.
@douche-nozzle said:
Are you guys prepared for the possibility that Gordon doesn't come back simply because of his host of violations? Regardless of the threshold for pot being changed the league may look at Gordons body of work and maintain his suspension?
I suppose you could get your hopes up "for conduct detrimental to the image of the league". However, nothing substantive until Josh's DUI hearing- in November.
I mean really- they're letting that ex-Cowboy back in- and he not only had a DUI, he killed the passenger in his car- vehicular homicide. Ditto Donte Stallworth after he took out a pedestrian DUI.
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@douche-nozzle said:
To be technically correct, yes the chances decrease, but I'm not too worried about 99% decreasing to 97%.
But if the NFL upholds his suspension due to his repetition, are you prepared to deal with it or are you preparing your "the NFL hates US"....."we got screwed" speeches?
It's like this guy- two of those strikes- phenergan, and a trace, and I do mean trace of THC are bullshit, and you know it.
BTW, Josh sold his first car yesterday.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Are you guys prepared for the possibility that Gordon doesn't come back simply because of his host of violations? Regardless of the threshold for pot being changed the league may look at Gordons body of work and maintain his suspension?
And what would this "body of work" consist of? Driving with .001 too much alcohol, for which he hasn't had a hearing yet?
Actually the NFL would owe him for a game check, unless they want to count that first week for the DUI arrest, and then suspend him again later for two games if he is convicted.
Zombo
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@douche-nozzle said:
Are you guys prepared for the possibility that Gordon doesn't come back simply because of his host of violations? Regardless of the threshold for pot being changed the league may look at Gordons body of work and maintain his suspension?
And what would this "body of work" consist of? Driving with .001 too much alcohol, for which he hasn't had a hearing yet?
Actually the NFL would owe him for a game check, unless they want to count that first week for the DUI arrest, and then suspend him again later for two games if he is convicted.
Zombo
Zombo said:
And what would this "body of work" consist of? Driving with .001 too much alcohol, for which he hasn't had a hearing yet?
Actually the NFL would owe him for a game check, unless they want to count that first week for the DUI arrest, and then suspend him again later for two games if he is convicted.
Zombo
I think one of the things being put into the new policy is 2 games for your first dui offense. So I would assume if he is found quilty for the DUI, and he is reinstated to play this week, then he would only have to serve 1 game later in the season.
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@douche-nozzle said:
And Gluehead renders his drivel. The list of Josh Gordons violation of rules at every level of his football career is as long as your imagination. He's in stage 3 for a reason gluehead!
But he's already been penalized for everything but the DUI. You're just not a smart man.
Zombo
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@douche-nozzle said:
Those are "your opinions" ...... I am not lobbying for different tolerances or Josh Gordon's punishment, all I am asking is if I can expect the typical whining and boo-hooing if his suspension is upheld? When a typical Browns fan goes out in the rain he gets wet because God hates Browns fans. When the Browns lose it's because the refs screwed them, the other team cheated, the NFL hates them, this guy missed that play, and that guy missed this play....why isn't it ever simply because they are what their record says they are?
....this is a bald-face troll, Steeler fans cry harder than any other fan base about the refs.
We all complain about the refs as they are only human and bound to make mistakes, but yinzers seemingly take pleasure in elevating their bellyaching to vaudevillian levels.
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@douche-nozzle said:
This is exactly the kind of stuff I come here for, you guys actually believe this stuff
it's just observable science, I've been exposed to a lot of steeler fans and have witnessed them foaming at the mouth at any call against their team.
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Rumor: Josh Gordon says that he will play on Sunday for Cleveland Browns
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yeah, I guess you're right. You're in a far better position to audit my life experiences. lol, I'm done feeding the troll.
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@douche-nozzle said:
When you mention eating a cookie or brownie, it has usually been made by someone who knew what they were doing and "cooked" it. If you just grind up weed and put it in cookies or brownies it will do little more than make the cookie or brownie taste bad. This isn't rocket science guys, it's pretty common knowledge.
Well, finally a subject I know all about.....haha....sad, but true....
1) You misinterpreted the High Times article you read. You DEFINITELY get high from eating pot, even if it's raw pot. Positively absolutely very very high. And it is a different type of high, due to the way your body processes it. It also stays detectable in your system MUCH longer because it is attached to fat cells(ONLY because of the digestive process)....but this "attachment" has nothing to do with how one gets high and it is just residual byproduct of what you've eaten....
2) So, the fat cells(in your body) have nothing to do with ANY of this or how your body absorbs pot. The FAT comments were there to suggest the best way to eat pot is to concentrate and bind it with fat for ingestion....which is to make a concentrated extraction called butter/paste/oil(all the same thing basically) and mix it with a fat(cream, butter, etc) that will be dissolved "better and faster" by your digestive system when eaten and prevent the THC from vaporizing during the heating process
3) HEAT or solvents(90 % alcohol is the safest and works best) are used to extract the CB's and THC from the pot to make the concentrated paste/butter. Most often solvents are used, as too much heat can ruin the product if not properly controlled.
4) And making brownies with straight up organic weed WILL get you very high....but weed really doesnt taste good and, if it's not broken down onto a concentrate, it takes a lot more of it to get you high....which, again, makes your brownies not as good tasting......so, stoners who want the best buzz and best tasting brownies use cannabis oil to cook....rookies use straight up weed
Id also add that "ingested" pot will stay in your system at much higher levels for much longer periods of time(cause of the fat cell thing)...
Well, finally a subject I know all about.....haha....sad, but true....
1) You misinterpreted the High Times article you read. You DEFINITELY get high from eating pot, even if it's raw pot. Positively absolutely very very high. And it is a different type of high, due to the way your body processes it. It also stays detectable in your system MUCH longer because it is attached to fat cells(ONLY because of the digestive process)....but this "attachment" has nothing to do with how one gets high and it is just residual byproduct of what you've eaten....
2) So, the fat cells(in your body) have nothing to do with ANY of this or how your body absorbs pot. The FAT comments were there to suggest the best way to eat pot is to concentrate and bind it with fat for ingestion....which is to make a concentrated extraction called butter/paste/oil(all the same thing basically) and mix it with a fat(cream, butter, etc) that will be dissolved "better and faster" by your digestive system when eaten and prevent the THC from vaporizing during the heating process
3) HEAT or solvents(90 % alcohol is the safest and works best) are used to extract the CB's and THC from the pot to make the concentrated paste/butter. Most often solvents are used, as too much heat can ruin the product if not properly controlled.
4) And making brownies with straight up organic weed WILL get you very high....but weed really doesnt taste good and, if it's not broken down onto a concentrate, it takes a lot more of it to get you high....which, again, makes your brownies not as good tasting......so, stoners who want the best buzz and best tasting brownies use cannabis oil to cook....rookies use straight up weed
Id also add that "ingested" pot will stay in your system at much higher levels for much longer periods of time(cause of the fat cell thing)...
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