Observations from today's game.
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He IS very well paid, but he isn't worth it
I was at the game and he CAN NOT cover anyone bigger then him.
When the Saints needed a big play, they looked to see who Haden was covering, and they threw that way
Haden got burned atleast 6 times, he made 2 plays
Not what I would call a shutdown cb
Grahm is 6'7 and no one in the league can cover him. Didn't Haden completely shut down AJ Green last year? I think the only receiver I can think of that normally dominates him is Brown. Thats one receiver out of all of them.
Grahm is 6'7 and no one in the league can cover him. Didn't Haden completely shut down AJ Green last year? I think the only receiver I can think of that normally dominates him is Brown. Thats one receiver out of all of them.
Agree... historically Haden has played tall WRs very well.
Besides the red zone plays, how many times was Haden matched up with Graham?
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He IS very well paid, but he isn't worth it
I was at the game and he CAN NOT cover anyone bigger then him.
When the Saints needed a big play, they looked to see who Haden was covering, and they threw that way
Haden got burned atleast 6 times, he made 2 plays
Not what I would call a shutdown cb
Grahm is 6'7 and no one in the league can cover him. Didn't Haden completely shut down AJ Green last year? I think the only receiver I can think of that normally dominates him is Brown. Thats one receiver out of all of them.
Grahm is 6'7 and no one in the league can cover him. Didn't Haden completely shut down AJ Green last year? I think the only receiver I can think of that normally dominates him is Brown. Thats one receiver out of all of them.
Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed. Haden got picked on all day.
The Saints made sure Haden was on Graham, because they knew Haden couldn't cover him.
So-called shutdown CB, don't get picked on like Haden does.
Haden is a good CB, but he is nowhere near a shutdown CB.
So-called shutdown CB's either make plays or they don't get thrown against, and Joe Haden isn't either. Teams LOOK to throw on him, and they make plays against him all day..
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Grahm is 6'7 and no one in the league can cover him. Didn't Haden completely shut down AJ Green last year? I think the only receiver I can think of that normally dominates him is Brown. Thats one receiver out of all of them.
Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed. Haden got picked on all day.
The Saints made sure Haden was on Graham, because they knew Haden couldn't cover him.
So-called shutdown CB, don't get picked on like Haden does.
Haden is a good CB, but he is nowhere near a shutdown CB.
So-called shutdown CB's either make plays or they don't get thrown against, and Joe Haden isn't either. Teams LOOK to throw on him, and they make plays against him all day..
Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed. Haden got picked on all day.
The Saints made sure Haden was on Graham, because they knew Haden couldn't cover him.
So-called shutdown CB, don't get picked on like Haden does.
Haden is a good CB, but he is nowhere near a shutdown CB.
So-called shutdown CB's either make plays or they don't get thrown against, and Joe Haden isn't either. Teams LOOK to throw on him, and they make plays against him all day..
Sherman got picked on today, and he's the undisputed best corner in the league.
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Haden is good but you're fooling yourself if you think he's elite.
He gets burned a lot and anyone who can't see it is uh... visually impaired.
Today was a great game, but Joe needs to tighten up against some of these better WR's
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Haden is good but you're fooling yourself if you think he's elite.
He gets burned a lot and anyone who can't see it is uh... visually impaired.
Today was a great game, but Joe needs to tighten up against some of these better WR's
Haden is good but you're fooling yourself if you think he's elite.
He gets burned a lot and anyone who can't see it is uh... visually impaired.
Today was a great game, but Joe needs to tighten up against some of these better WR's
EXACTLY
I never said he was aweful. He's a good cb
But he sure is NOT a lock down guy
Joe Haden was picked on today more then Buster Skrine was, or our rookie cb was.
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Grahm is 6'7 and no one in the league can cover him. Didn't Haden completely shut down AJ Green last year? I think the only receiver I can think of that normally dominates him is Brown. Thats one receiver out of all of them.
Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed. Haden got picked on all day.
The Saints made sure Haden was on Graham, because they knew Haden couldn't cover him.
So-called shutdown CB, don't get picked on like Haden does.
Haden is a good CB, but he is nowhere near a shutdown CB.
So-called shutdown CB's either make plays or they don't get thrown against, and Joe Haden isn't either. Teams LOOK to throw on him, and they make plays against him all day..
Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed.
I wouldn't blame him for that, he had a tough angle on that tackle to stop the back on a dime. He made a couple big pops early on in the initial drives. He doesn't shy away from contact and isn't one of those DB's that leaps on the pile hoping to get credit for a partial tackle. He has good feet and can blanket receivers at times. He may have struggled today because of the whole hand check officiating. Probably would have preferred to play in front of Graham and hold one of his hands/arms down like the recent years, but played behind him as to not give up any big plays. The Saints had to work for all their yardage today, it's not like we got torched for quick strikes and big plays.
Let Haden do his job, think it is still early to call him out in this differently officiated season for DB's.
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Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed.
I wouldn't blame him for that, he had a tough angle on that tackle to stop the back on a dime. He made a couple big pops early on in the initial drives. He doesn't shy away from contact and isn't one of those DB's that leaps on the pile hoping to get credit for a partial tackle. He has good feet and can blanket receivers at times. He may have struggled today because of the whole hand check officiating. Probably would have preferred to play in front of Graham and hold one of his hands/arms down like the recent years, but played behind him as to not give up any big plays. The Saints had to work for all their yardage today, it's not like we got torched for quick strikes and big plays.
Let Haden do his job, think it is still early to call him out in this differently officiated season for DB's.
I wouldn't blame him for that, he had a tough angle on that tackle to stop the back on a dime. He made a couple big pops early on in the initial drives. He doesn't shy away from contact and isn't one of those DB's that leaps on the pile hoping to get credit for a partial tackle. He has good feet and can blanket receivers at times. He may have struggled today because of the whole hand check officiating. Probably would have preferred to play in front of Graham and hold one of his hands/arms down like the recent years, but played behind him as to not give up any big plays. The Saints had to work for all their yardage today, it's not like we got torched for quick strikes and big plays.
Let Haden do his job, think it is still early to call him out in this differently officiated season for DB's.
I do blame him for that. He hit the guy with his helmet, lowered his head and didn't wrap the guy up.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed.
I wouldn't blame him for that, he had a tough angle on that tackle to stop the back on a dime. He made a couple big pops early on in the initial drives. He doesn't shy away from contact and isn't one of those DB's that leaps on the pile hoping to get credit for a partial tackle. He has good feet and can blanket receivers at times. He may have struggled today because of the whole hand check officiating. Probably would have preferred to play in front of Graham and hold one of his hands/arms down like the recent years, but played behind him as to not give up any big plays. The Saints had to work for all their yardage today, it's not like we got torched for quick strikes and big plays.
Let Haden do his job, think it is still early to call him out in this differently officiated season for DB's.
I wouldn't blame him for that, he had a tough angle on that tackle to stop the back on a dime. He made a couple big pops early on in the initial drives. He doesn't shy away from contact and isn't one of those DB's that leaps on the pile hoping to get credit for a partial tackle. He has good feet and can blanket receivers at times. He may have struggled today because of the whole hand check officiating. Probably would have preferred to play in front of Graham and hold one of his hands/arms down like the recent years, but played behind him as to not give up any big plays. The Saints had to work for all their yardage today, it's not like we got torched for quick strikes and big plays.
Let Haden do his job, think it is still early to call him out in this differently officiated season for DB's.
No one on either team got called for DB holding,touching, grabbing.
I was at the game and I sit in the endzone. I can and do watch the DB play,,,,,,,,, Joe Haden gets picked on more then ANY DB on our team
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
...um I hate pointing this out and all, since I'm a "who the fuck are you" person, but Hoyer is 5-1 as a starter for our team. That's beyond fucking huge!!!!!!!!!¡¡!!!!!!!!!!
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...and Gilbert played awesome!!
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Tj ward couldn't defend the pass very well. And he missed a lot of tackles but I was still sorry to lose him
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Haden gave up some disappointing plays. He wasn't great vs Graham or Antonio brown
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Big to be fair rivers crushed Sherman today too. No CB is infallible
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Big to be fair rivers crushed Sherman today too. No CB is infallible
Big to be fair rivers crushed Sherman today too. No CB is infallible
True, but when has Haden been Great?
He's not the guy that other teams avoid.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Grahm is 6'7 and no one in the league can cover him. Didn't Haden completely shut down AJ Green last year? I think the only receiver I can think of that normally dominates him is Brown. Thats one receiver out of all of them.
Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed. Haden got picked on all day.
The Saints made sure Haden was on Graham, because they knew Haden couldn't cover him.
So-called shutdown CB, don't get picked on like Haden does.
Haden is a good CB, but he is nowhere near a shutdown CB.
So-called shutdown CB's either make plays or they don't get thrown against, and Joe Haden isn't either. Teams LOOK to throw on him, and they make plays against him all day..
Haden had a chance to stop a RB for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 1, and he failed. Haden got picked on all day.
The Saints made sure Haden was on Graham, because they knew Haden couldn't cover him.
So-called shutdown CB, don't get picked on like Haden does.
Haden is a good CB, but he is nowhere near a shutdown CB.
So-called shutdown CB's either make plays or they don't get thrown against, and Joe Haden isn't either. Teams LOOK to throw on him, and they make plays against him all day..
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong...
Haden is a great CB... no questions asked. BUT, every DB is going to have a tough matchup here and there. Same goes with superstars at any position, in any sport. Even the greats get beat once in a while, but it's what they do as a whole that makes all the difference.
Haden was "picked on?" Please. He gave up a couple passes to WRs, but no big plays. He only gave up points to Graham b/c it's a horrible matchup, but Pettine believed if he was going 1-1 against Graham, the only guy he could put on him was Haden. It wasn't the Saints picking on him.
Even Sherman, Revis, Patterson, etc. give up plays from time-to-time. It's the 2nd hardest position in all of sports...
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Big to be fair rivers crushed Sherman today too. No CB is infallible
True, but when has Haden been Great?
He's not the guy that other teams avoid.
True, but when has Haden been Great?
He's not the guy that other teams avoid.
You're kidding right? When has he been great?
2013 - Week 1 - Mike Wallace - 1 catch 15 yards
Week 6 - Calvin Johnson - 3 catches 25 yards
Week 11 - AJ Green - 2 catches 7 yards
That's pretty damn great if you ask me
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No offense, but I can't think of a single corner that matches up well with Graham split out wide. There is a reason the guy is dominant as a pass catcher. Putting anyone out there with a man assignment and no safety help is a + for the Saints offense every time.
That said, the Oline is building good chemistry and does very well opening holes for the ground game. West and Crowell have been very positive so far. Obviously a bit early to annoint them as Mack and Byner, but keep this up and it will be a 1-2 punch that brings back fond memories.
Donte- man, the second he left San Fran he's been different. Hasn't had a chance to hit anyone and roam. Can't quite get around the ball and is more of a liability in deep coverage than Ward.
Gilbert looked a bit better. He's still a rook, you're going to have theses ups and downs. Gipson is the most underrated FS in football. As for the defense getting "push". Not on the interior they aren't. Billy Winn had a couple nice moments, but I don't like him with the weight he's put on. Taylor and Rubin got fucking destroyed all game. There is zero excuse for this run defense to be this bad. I'd like to see some more of Hughes and Armonty. Desmond Bryant was supposed to be the pass rushing interior lineman- not sure what happened to his Oakland form, but he needs to get back too it.
The lack of a vertical pass game handcuffs this offense in the worst way. I think you could see something very, very good in Cleveland getting Cameron 100% and having Gordon.
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My biggest observation was the fact we're playing with a "TEAM-first" attitude. It seems the offense is feeding off the defense and vice versa. It's fun to watch. "Play like a Brown" as Pettine has been saying all off-season... Awesome!!
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