Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer
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Hoyer is on pace for what, 4000yds 20 TDs 8 INTs at about a 59% completion rate.
Check out Hall Of Famer Eli's career numbers.
Check out Super Bowl MVP Joe Flaccos.
Kaepernick helps his team win some games, and he just about single handedly loses them a few too. I'd rather have boring ass Brian Hoyer, or Alex Smith, than that at QB.
If you think for 1 second that last comment you made is a true statement, then you have to quit talking. Have to. Brian Hoyer isn't even close to Alex Smiths ability and Alex Smith was ousted for Kaepernick and the Niners only got better.
If you can't see a difference, just by talent, if you can not see a difference between Joe Flacco and Eli and Brian Hoyer, then you're drunk in love. You're beyond saving. Everyone loves to rail against the "Manziel Lovers" who don't really exist on this board and you can't see the love affair you all have with Brian Hoyer where you act like hes something he never has been nor never will be. He's not in the same class as Flacco and Eli and he's not in the class behind the class of those two.
Like I said, I don't blame you people for loving Hoyer. He is a small time nobody getting his shot. You relate to him. He's the extension of you. Someone time will quickly forget ever existed and is completely unremarkable in every way. You see yourself in him. You're comfortable with Hoyer.
Hoyer will never, ever ever be a Super Bowl winning QB. If you want to say that statement is false, then do so. Put it on paper and don't do this "Oh we don't know" yes we do. We do. Luck will be a Super Bowl winning QB, I know it and you know it. Hoyer will never sniff a Super Bowl. If you disagree with that then say it clearly. Say "I believe Hoyer will win a Super Bowl". If you don't make that statement then you must agree with me.
If my statement is true, that Hoyer will never sniff a Super Bowl, then again what the FUCK are we talking about here? Huh? We have a guy that even his biggest supporters don't think can win a Super Bowl and you want him to be the Franchise QB?
What sense does that make?
If you think for 1 second that last comment you made is a true statement, then you have to quit talking. Have to. Brian Hoyer isn't even close to Alex Smiths ability and Alex Smith was ousted for Kaepernick and the Niners only got better.
If you can't see a difference, just by talent, if you can not see a difference between Joe Flacco and Eli and Brian Hoyer, then you're drunk in love. You're beyond saving. Everyone loves to rail against the "Manziel Lovers" who don't really exist on this board and you can't see the love affair you all have with Brian Hoyer where you act like hes something he never has been nor never will be. He's not in the same class as Flacco and Eli and he's not in the class behind the class of those two.
Like I said, I don't blame you people for loving Hoyer. He is a small time nobody getting his shot. You relate to him. He's the extension of you. Someone time will quickly forget ever existed and is completely unremarkable in every way. You see yourself in him. You're comfortable with Hoyer.
You missed the part where I said I don't give a shit if Hoyer is the starting quarterback on this team when it's good, didn't you?
Like I said, reading comprehension. Work on it. We'll still be here when you get back.
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I know... he ignored it the first two times I asked... but I can keep asking.
Other things Stocky's not going to do this week:
- use game stats;
- grasp reality;
- practice humility;
- have sex...
Hoyer had 300 yards and 2TDs and 2INTs with 61% against the Bucs
Is that good? You tell me Tour, is that great?
The Bucs who gave up 5TDs in a half to Flacco. The Bucs that gave up 59 to the Falcons and a 155.9 rating to Ryan? The Bucs where Bridgewater threw for 241 and a TD with no picks? Hoyer and his 85 rating against a putrid pass defense is supposed to impress me?
You tell me Tour, how good was it today? Because it didn't look good. C+ at best.
You tell me Tour, how good was it today? Because it didn't look good. C+ at best.
I will... after I read your message to the Locker room.
Until then... Hoyer's QB Rating today was 85.4. Thought you'd like to know.
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You tell me Tour, how good was it today? Because it didn't look good. C+ at best.
I will... after I read your message to the Locker room.
Until then... Hoyer's QB Rating today was 85.4. Thought you'd like to know.
I will... after I read your message to the Locker room.
Until then... Hoyer's QB Rating today was 85.4. Thought you'd like to know.
85.4. Thats good Tour.
Tampa Bays defense has given up an avg QB Rating of 107 this year.
So only 22 point below their season avg. Still pretty good for Hoyer. At least he hit 300 yards finally, in the most QB friendly offense against the worst cumulative pass defenses in the NFL.
So thats a milestone.
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...sure there will be a QB change eventually and it might not even be manziel. but better football minds than mine or yours will make that call.
Really...
You know the difference between Stocky and 90% of the rest of us here? Probably a few weeks... possibly longer, but probably only a few.
Well that and at least a few healthy relationships with other forum members.
Stocky, one last chance...
Write down the talk you'd give to the 2014 Browns explaining why you are shelving their 5-3 QB so you can test drive your back up.
Be sure to address the fact that you are giving up on any playoff aspirations because it is clear the team is not good enough.
Be sure to include the fact that despite you giving up and shutting down the season, they should not.
And don't forget to wish Hoyer well since he be gone as soon as the season ends.
I can't wait to read this...
Don't forget to use small words so we can understand you...
Really...
You know the difference between Stocky and 90% of the rest of us here? Probably a few weeks... possibly longer, but probably only a few.
Well that and at least a few healthy relationships with other forum members.
Stocky, one last chance...
Write down the talk you'd give to the 2014 Browns explaining why you are shelving their 5-3 QB so you can test drive your back up.
Be sure to address the fact that you are giving up on any playoff aspirations because it is clear the team is not good enough.
Be sure to include the fact that despite you giving up and shutting down the season, they should not.
And don't forget to wish Hoyer well since he be gone as soon as the season ends.
I can't wait to read this...
Don't forget to use small words so we can understand you...
Come on Stock, you're at a whole different level than us "simple minds", this should be easy for someone of your vast knowledge. What, are you scared to answer T's challenge? A know-it-all like you? We are all waiting for you to address the team Coach, time is ticking...........
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Really...
You know the difference between Stocky and 90% of the rest of us here? Probably a few weeks... possibly longer, but probably only a few.
Well that and at least a few healthy relationships with other forum members.
Stocky, one last chance...
Write down the talk you'd give to the 2014 Browns explaining why you are shelving their 5-3 QB so you can test drive your back up.
Be sure to address the fact that you are giving up on any playoff aspirations because it is clear the team is not good enough.
Be sure to include the fact that despite you giving up and shutting down the season, they should not.
And don't forget to wish Hoyer well since he be gone as soon as the season ends.
I can't wait to read this...
Don't forget to use small words so we can understand you...
Come on Stock, you're at a whole different level than us "simple minds", this should be easy for someone of your vast knowledge. What, are you scared to answer T's challenge? A know-it-all like you? We are all waiting for you to address the team Coach, time is ticking...........
Come on Stock, you're at a whole different level than us "simple minds", this should be easy for someone of your vast knowledge. What, are you scared to answer T's challenge? A know-it-all like you? We are all waiting for you to address the team Coach, time is ticking...........
Heres my talk to the team.
Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.
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I'm gonna go ahead and humor Stockton.
Let's say fate forces the coaching staff's hand next week. Hoyer goes down with a broken collar bone. Manziel comes in and shits down the side of his leg.
The homers make excuses for the young rookie and hope for better next week. As the weeks roll by, and Manziel continues to struggle. his stats are even worse than the Hoyer stats some have been bitching and moaning about.
Browns end the season 6-10; the fan base disenfranchised after yet another let-down. What happens then?
Here's the fun part, the part where Stockton's theory falls apart. THE BROWNS DON'T GIVE UP ON MANZIEL!
The argument that "we need to find out if Manziel is a franchise QB to see if we need to draft a new one in a few months" doesn't hold up.
Certain posters would have us believe that the FO would use the last 8 games of the season to decide if they need to draft another QB next year.....
does that ever happen? Teams don't spend a 1st round pick on a QB and then after 8 games say "oops, looks like we need to draft a new one"
GMs don't trade up in the first round and draft a 21 year old QB to hear the fans cheer, or to give the national media something to talk about.
They do it to mold him into a franchise QB, a process that takes a lot longer than 8 games.
I understand there are plenty of Hoyer haters around, and they're allowed to dislike him. The most important thing is that the Browns are 5-3, enjoy it.
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I will... after I read your message to the Locker room.
Until then... Hoyer's QB Rating today was 85.4. Thought you'd like to know.
85.4. Thats good Tour.
Tampa Bays defense has given up an avg QB Rating of 107 this year.
So only 22 point below their season avg. Still pretty good for Hoyer. At least he hit 300 yards finally, in the most QB friendly offense against the worst cumulative pass defenses in the NFL.
So thats a milestone.
Tampa Bays defense has given up an avg QB Rating of 107 this year.
... and how many ypg rushing?
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Come on Stock, you're at a whole different level than us "simple minds", this should be easy for someone of your vast knowledge. What, are you scared to answer T's challenge? A know-it-all like you? We are all waiting for you to address the team Coach, time is ticking...........
Heres my talk to the team.
Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.
Heres my talk to the team.
Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.
LMAO Well done Coach. You still have the locker room, and your men's respect. They'll follow you anywhere. L M A O!
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Come on Stock, you're at a whole different level than us "simple minds", this should be easy for someone of your vast knowledge. What, are you scared to answer T's challenge? A know-it-all like you? We are all waiting for you to address the team Coach, time is ticking...........
Heres my talk to the team.
Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.
Heres my talk to the team.
Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.
LMAO...
I owe you a grade...
Here's one for you... F-
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Lol this is too ridiculous. At least he created his own thread now instead of clamoring in 50 other ones.
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I know... he ignored it the first two times I asked... but I can keep asking.
Other things Stocky's not going to do this week:
- use game stats;
- grasp reality;
- practice humility;
- have sex...
Hoyer had 300 yards and 2TDs and 2INTs with 61% against the Bucs
Is that good? You tell me Tour, is that great?
The Bucs who gave up 5TDs in a half to Flacco. The Bucs that gave up 59 to the Falcons and a 155.9 rating to Ryan? The Bucs where Bridgewater threw for 241 and a TD with no picks? Hoyer and his 85 rating against a putrid pass defense is supposed to impress me?
You tell me Tour, how good was it today? Because it didn't look good. C+ at best.
Hoyer had 300 yards and 2TDs and 2INTs with 61% against the Bucs
Is that good? You tell me Tour, is that great?
The Bucs who gave up 5TDs in a half to Flacco. The Bucs that gave up 59 to the Falcons and a 155.9 rating to Ryan? The Bucs where Bridgewater threw for 241 and a TD with no picks? Hoyer and his 85 rating against a putrid pass defense is supposed to impress me?
You tell me Tour, how good was it today? Because it didn't look good. C+ at best.
Also the same Bucs team that beat Pittsburgh and their 2 time super bowl winning QB Raplessburger. Guess that means Hoyer is better than that stiff huh? Maybe Pittsburgh should put him on the bench and see what they've got in whoever the fuck is their backup after actually losing to Tampa Bay.
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Hey, by the way, Hoyer's playing pretty darn good... without much help I might add...
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Which forum member yammers away with the same thing, has a lame avatar and isn't liked by almost every other member?
Here's a hint, he loves the color coral.
Well "has a lame avatar" could be just about anyone on here, but not liked by almost every other member and likes "Coral"? I bet thats me you're talking about.
Now your turn, who is dead last in the NFL in 3rd down passing?
Well "has a lame avatar" could be just about anyone on here, but not liked by almost every other member and likes "Coral"? I bet thats me you're talking about.
Now your turn, who is dead last in the NFL in 3rd down passing?
Who's starting and who's the backup?
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stockton:
i just don't get the fact that if you were that kid crying in the stadium after the drive and you are a true brown's fan.......then why all the negativity? you know what this team has been thru since '99, you've seen the coaching/FO?QB carousel, you know the one year we made it with anderson was a fluke correct?
so now that we have a guy that, who led the browns to victory over our hated nemesis by a large margin and has us with a chance to win more games than we have in a LOOOOOOOONG time, why you hating on the guy?
sure he might not be a franchise QB in the likes of a rodgers or manning or brady but he's the best we've had in quite some time.
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I think we should start everyone on the practice squad so we know what we have for the future. We can cut all the vets since they are known commodities. I'd also like to see shanahan coach the defense and O'Neil coach the offense. It will prepare them for head coaching positions elsewhere.
Farmer needs additional experience too. 20 more years of 4 win seasons would be beneficial so we can use top ten draft picks to build for the future. Dynasty 101.
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stockton:
i just don't get the fact that if you were that kid crying in the stadium after the drive and you are a true brown's fan.......then why all the negativity? you know what this team has been thru since '99, you've seen the coaching/FO?QB carousel, you know the one year we made it with anderson was a fluke correct?
so now that we have a guy that, who led the browns to victory over our hated nemesis by a large margin and has us with a chance to win more games than we have in a LOOOOOOOONG time, why you hating on the guy?
sure he might not be a franchise QB in the likes of a rodgers or manning or brady but he's the best we've had in quite some time.
stockton:
i just don't get the fact that if you were that kid crying in the stadium after the drive and you are a true brown's fan.......then why all the negativity?
mik, I think I understand...
He was crying after Daddy left him to find his own way home if he could.
Dad had just sat next to him the whole game... plus Overtime... and listened to him go on and on about how we needed to move on from Bernie... that Bernie wasn't elite... that he knew what Bernie could do and what he could not do...
Finally Dad had had it and when the game was over and the "I told you so" fresh from little Stocky's lips was still hanging in the air...
Daddy turned and said, "Did Bernie Fuck your wife?" and then simply walked away...
Time to move on...
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sounds like some sad political campaign ad.
what are you trying to say?
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what?sounds like some sad political campaign ad.
what are you trying to say?
what?what?Broken record.
Keep wagging your tails in the car.
This is not a playoff team, Browns are wasting their time.
Hoyer struggles with a TB secondary that gave up what 5 TDs to Flacco in the first half? Atlanta dropped 59 on them? Browns need missed FG, Blocked FG, Blocked Punt, INT in the endzone to hold on to beat TB.
The fact you see today as a positive only shows how small you think.
Miller Light in a Champaign League.
I see a win as a positive, and you don't? Have you lost your f**king mind? Damn right Stockton, Hoyer has his flaws- he's also winning games.Sorry you don't seem to get this isn't the same situation as the Faguars with Bortles, or the Vikes with Teddy Twatwater.
That really is the main point here. I was happy with the Manziel pick but now that we've got these fucking homos here telling us that we should dump the season, just so we can find out if Manziel can play or not is fucking Retarded.
^+1 Mark.
Hoyer had 300 yards and 2TDs and 2INTs with 61% against the Bucs
Is that good? You tell me Tour, is that great?
The Bucs who gave up 5TDs in a half to Flacco. The Bucs that gave up 59 to the Falcons and a 155.9 rating to Ryan? The Bucs where Bridgewater threw for 241 and a TD with no picks? Hoyer and his 85 rating against a putrid pass defense is supposed to impress me?
You tell me Tour, how good was it today? Because it didn't look good. C+ at best.
WIN = GOOD. I suppose you favor artistic losses over ugly wins. You have the Dolphins blowing out the Chargers? How about the Rams beating the 49ers? A win is a win.
Heres my talk to the team.
Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.
Nice recipe to have the team quit on you.
So this team can't win a Super Bowl unless we have a Manning or Brady? Well, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, and a couple of other mediocre qbs say otherwise.
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I kinda know how he feels. I have the homer urge to root for Brian Hoyer.
I also looked at his stats from yesterday and don't really see a problem.
Not only that but it's pretty clear the other deficiencies on the team are causing way more problems than he is.
So why is it that there's so much anxiety?
I certainly understand having the most hyped quarterback in years languishing on the bench can drive you crazy, but didn't it seem like the opposite of a moral victory yesterday? Struggling as we did against one of the worst teams in the league again?
Why is it so difficult to have a winning record all of a sudden?
WSS
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Hoyer was good, true, not great, but closer to great - maybe at least a Miller High Life, the champagne of beers - considering 50 rushing yards (20 before the last two Browns possessions) and the Bucs could bull rush straight over, literally over, the center and destroy the pocket anytime they wanted yesterday. Hoyer's been good enough to win 7 of 8 games.
We'll know more Thursday. It's a good spot to be in. If we get Cincy, and we've got a good shot, then Stockton should explain his move in the locker room. 51 guys (everyone but Hoyer and Manziel) would want to kick his ass through a wall. For talking about stats and comparing QBs and Hoyer's W-L record, the whole team plays better behind Hoyer. As good as they'd be with Russell Wilson? No. It's better than anyone else they can put at QB right now.
I understand when letting the young guy sink or swim is better, although in the NFL, from week one of year one, it's pretty rare. Now though, winning with Hoyer helps this whole franchise more than losing with Manziel even if Manziel's the real long-term guy. If we were 3-5 right now, it'd be obvious on the other side. If we were 7-1, which is equally possible, it would be more obvious we were rolling the rest of this season with Hoyer.
If there are 3-4 straight losses, it'll be time for JFF for the last few games this season. But, going to Manziel now and the rest of the team is to play hard? Not out of intentionally loafing, just out of career preservation since this coach/front office/franchise has flushed this season I worked damn hard for and was having success in, and um, so I guess all that shit about playing to win now and the future being now was straight BS, so I guess everything else Pettine and Shanny, etc. is saying is all BS, too. A little of that mentality and one more OL injury and we'd get Hoyer back on the field anyway.
For now, it's Cincy, Foster-less Houston and 3-7 Atlanta and a city that'll be on fire if the Browns win Thursday. If the Browns lead the division at that point, true, it could still end 8-8/9-7/barely in, barely out of the playoffs and everyone from me to Ray Farmer and Truckstop Jimmy knows the questions at hand then, but at 7-4 or 8-3? QB change then?
I can understand, but disagree with, being for Manziel starting from day one. No matter what a Browns fan thought in August, there's no real, honest way to switch at this stage.
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