Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer

RoyceRolls

I'm gonna go ahead and humor Stockton.

Let's say fate forces the coaching staff's hand next week. Hoyer goes down with a broken collar bone. Manziel comes in and shits down the side of his leg.

The homers make excuses for the young rookie and hope for better next week. As the weeks roll by, and Manziel continues to struggle. his stats are even worse than the Hoyer stats some have been bitching and moaning about.

Browns end the season 6-10; the fan base disenfranchised after yet another let-down. What happens then?

Here's the fun part, the part where Stockton's theory falls apart. THE BROWNS DON'T GIVE UP ON MANZIEL!

The argument that "we need to find out if Manziel is a franchise QB to see if we need to draft a new one in a few months" doesn't hold up.

Certain posters would have us believe that the FO would use the last 8 games of the season to decide if they need to draft another QB next year.....

does that ever happen? Teams don't spend a 1st round pick on a QB and then after 8 games say "oops, looks like we need to draft a new one"

GMs don't trade up in the first round and draft a 21 year old QB to hear the fans cheer, or to give the national media something to talk about.

They do it to mold him into a franchise QB, a process that takes a lot longer than 8 games.

I understand there are plenty of Hoyer haters around, and they're allowed to dislike him. The most important thing is that the Browns are 5-3, enjoy it.

Tour2ma

@stocktonshorts said:
Tampa Bays defense has given up an avg QB Rating of 107 this year.

... and how many ypg rushing?

D Bone

@stocktonshorts said:

Heres my talk to the team.

Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.

LMAO Well done Coach. You still have the locker room, and your men's respect. They'll follow you anywhere. L M A O!

Tour2ma

@stocktonshorts said:

Heres my talk to the team.

Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.

LMAO...

I owe you a grade...

Here's one for you... F-

bbedward

Lol this is too ridiculous. At least he created his own thread now instead of clamoring in 50 other ones.

Mark O

@stocktonshorts said:

Hoyer had 300 yards and 2TDs and 2INTs with 61% against the Bucs

Is that good? You tell me Tour, is that great?

The Bucs who gave up 5TDs in a half to Flacco. The Bucs that gave up 59 to the Falcons and a 155.9 rating to Ryan? The Bucs where Bridgewater threw for 241 and a TD with no picks? Hoyer and his 85 rating against a putrid pass defense is supposed to impress me?

You tell me Tour, how good was it today? Because it didn't look good. C+ at best.

Also the same Bucs team that beat Pittsburgh and their 2 time super bowl winning QB Raplessburger. Guess that means Hoyer is better than that stiff huh? Maybe Pittsburgh should put him on the bench and see what they've got in whoever the fuck is their backup after actually losing to Tampa Bay.

thenew23

Hey, by the way, Hoyer's playing pretty darn good... without much help I might add...

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@stocktonshorts said:

Well "has a lame avatar" could be just about anyone on here, but not liked by almost every other member and likes "Coral"? I bet thats me you're talking about.

Now your turn, who is dead last in the NFL in 3rd down passing?

Who's starting and who's the backup?

miktoxic

stockton:

i just don't get the fact that if you were that kid crying in the stadium after the drive and you are a true brown's fan.......then why all the negativity? you know what this team has been thru since '99, you've seen the coaching/FO?QB carousel, you know the one year we made it with anderson was a fluke correct?

so now that we have a guy that, who led the browns to victory over our hated nemesis by a large margin and has us with a chance to win more games than we have in a LOOOOOOOONG time, why you hating on the guy?

sure he might not be a franchise QB in the likes of a rodgers or manning or brady but he's the best we've had in quite some time.

bringbackbrownie2

I think we should start everyone on the practice squad so we know what we have for the future. We can cut all the vets since they are known commodities. I'd also like to see shanahan coach the defense and O'Neil coach the offense. It will prepare them for head coaching positions elsewhere.

Farmer needs additional experience too. 20 more years of 4 win seasons would be beneficial so we can use top ten draft picks to build for the future. Dynasty 101.

Tour2ma

@miktoxic said:

stockton:

i just don't get the fact that if you were that kid crying in the stadium after the drive and you are a true brown's fan.......then why all the negativity?

mik, I think I understand...

He was crying after Daddy left him to find his own way home if he could.

Dad had just sat next to him the whole game... plus Overtime... and listened to him go on and on about how we needed to move on from Bernie... that Bernie wasn't elite... that he knew what Bernie could do and what he could not do...

Finally Dad had had it and when the game was over and the "I told you so" fresh from little Stocky's lips was still hanging in the air...

Daddy turned and said, "Did Bernie Fuck your wife?" and then simply walked away...

Time to move on...

D Bone

Holy shit - This thread just keeps on giving..................... Funny stuff T

hoorta

@miktoxic said:

sounds like some sad political campaign ad.

what are you trying to say?

what?

what?

Broken record.

@stocktonshorts said:

Keep wagging your tails in the car.

This is not a playoff team, Browns are wasting their time.

Hoyer struggles with a TB secondary that gave up what 5 TDs to Flacco in the first half? Atlanta dropped 59 on them? Browns need missed FG, Blocked FG, Blocked Punt, INT in the endzone to hold on to beat TB.

The fact you see today as a positive only shows how small you think.

Miller Light in a Champaign League.

I see a win as a positive, and you don't? Have you lost your f**king mind? Damn right Stockton, Hoyer has his flaws- he's also winning games.Sorry you don't seem to get this isn't the same situation as the Faguars with Bortles, or the Vikes with Teddy Twatwater.

@mark-o said:
That really is the main point here. I was happy with the Manziel pick but now that we've got these fucking homos here telling us that we should dump the season, just so we can find out if Manziel can play or not is fucking Retarded.

^+1 Mark.

@stocktonshorts said:

Hoyer had 300 yards and 2TDs and 2INTs with 61% against the Bucs

Is that good? You tell me Tour, is that great?

The Bucs who gave up 5TDs in a half to Flacco. The Bucs that gave up 59 to the Falcons and a 155.9 rating to Ryan? The Bucs where Bridgewater threw for 241 and a TD with no picks? Hoyer and his 85 rating against a putrid pass defense is supposed to impress me?

You tell me Tour, how good was it today? Because it didn't look good. C+ at best.

WIN = GOOD. I suppose you favor artistic losses over ugly wins. You have the Dolphins blowing out the Chargers? How about the Rams beating the 49ers? A win is a win.

@stocktonshorts said:

Heres my talk to the team.

Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.

Nice recipe to have the team quit on you.

So this team can't win a Super Bowl unless we have a Manning or Brady? Well, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, and a couple of other mediocre qbs say otherwise.

Westside Steve

I kinda know how he feels. I have the homer urge to root for Brian Hoyer.

I also looked at his stats from yesterday and don't really see a problem.

Not only that but it's pretty clear the other deficiencies on the team are causing way more problems than he is.

So why is it that there's so much anxiety?

I certainly understand having the most hyped quarterback in years languishing on the bench can drive you crazy, but didn't it seem like the opposite of a moral victory yesterday? Struggling as we did against one of the worst teams in the league again?

Why is it so difficult to have a winning record all of a sudden?

WSS

Andruw u

Hoyer was good, true, not great, but closer to great - maybe at least a Miller High Life, the champagne of beers - considering 50 rushing yards (20 before the last two Browns possessions) and the Bucs could bull rush straight over, literally over, the center and destroy the pocket anytime they wanted yesterday. Hoyer's been good enough to win 7 of 8 games.

We'll know more Thursday. It's a good spot to be in. If we get Cincy, and we've got a good shot, then Stockton should explain his move in the locker room. 51 guys (everyone but Hoyer and Manziel) would want to kick his ass through a wall. For talking about stats and comparing QBs and Hoyer's W-L record, the whole team plays better behind Hoyer. As good as they'd be with Russell Wilson? No. It's better than anyone else they can put at QB right now.

I understand when letting the young guy sink or swim is better, although in the NFL, from week one of year one, it's pretty rare. Now though, winning with Hoyer helps this whole franchise more than losing with Manziel even if Manziel's the real long-term guy. If we were 3-5 right now, it'd be obvious on the other side. If we were 7-1, which is equally possible, it would be more obvious we were rolling the rest of this season with Hoyer.

If there are 3-4 straight losses, it'll be time for JFF for the last few games this season. But, going to Manziel now and the rest of the team is to play hard? Not out of intentionally loafing, just out of career preservation since this coach/front office/franchise has flushed this season I worked damn hard for and was having success in, and um, so I guess all that shit about playing to win now and the future being now was straight BS, so I guess everything else Pettine and Shanny, etc. is saying is all BS, too. A little of that mentality and one more OL injury and we'd get Hoyer back on the field anyway.

For now, it's Cincy, Foster-less Houston and 3-7 Atlanta and a city that'll be on fire if the Browns win Thursday. If the Browns lead the division at that point, true, it could still end 8-8/9-7/barely in, barely out of the playoffs and everyone from me to Ray Farmer and Truckstop Jimmy knows the questions at hand then, but at 7-4 or 8-3? QB change then?

I can understand, but disagree with, being for Manziel starting from day one. No matter what a Browns fan thought in August, there's no real, honest way to switch at this stage.

thenew23

Which QB, you ask?? Grade or rank these three stat lines...

125 of 205 (60.9%) for 1,628 yards, 13 TDs, 4 INTs, QB Rating of 95.5

165 of 276 (59.8%) for 1,990 yards, 10 TDs, 6 INTs, QB Rating of 87.3

146 of 252 (57.9%) for 2,014 yards, 10 TDs, 4 INTs, QB Rating of 90.3

Which QB's do you think put these #'s up??

gftChris

@stocktonshorts said:

Heres my talk to the team.

Hey guys, not good lately. It is clear that we're not contenders, especially without Mack. Not going to happen this year. The goal is to get you vets a Super Bowl before you retire so we're going to build for the future starting now. Brian Hoyer has been fine, but fine doesn't cut it at the QB position in this league so we're going to find out what we got in the kid. We will find a Super Bowl caliber QB in this few year window we have with you guys. We're not there yet, but we will continue to try and get there. Everybody give Brian a hand he's been adequate. He'll need some help moving this offseason so if any of you care to give him a hand with that. That'd be super. I'm sure he lives in an average house on average street so it'll be easy to find.

"Hey guys, I know this franchise has been a machine taking in and churning out GMs, coaches, co-ordinators and QBs for the last 15 years, and yes I know we've finally found a QB who can lead this team to a winning record, but we're going to cut him, and throw in this rookie, to see if he can also win some games."

Well, you'd better go find a new LT because JT will walk out on you (ok maybe not literally). And Haden, Mack, and the rest of the guys that have had to put up with Weeden, McCoy, Wallace, Lewis, Campbell, and the rest of the dregs of the NFL's QBs since joining this team.

Spectrum

He'd just trade them all for draft picks so he could draft more quarterbacks, because that's the only position that matters.

cdl15

_{This jackass is truly one for the books. He "loves" a team that is 5-3 and looks for every negative to bash the real fans with. He must think he is levatating above the rest of us. A win against Cinncy wont even shut him up.}

_{And the whole "U cant wrap your head around" arguement is really getting old. Find new material TROLL.}

_{This is the same tool if JF started the year and was 1-7 would be blaimming Mack, running game, wrs, coaches, media, fans, his dog, Hoyer on the bench, and himself for not getting enough people to share a blowjob sandwhich with him. Telling us we just need to be patient JF just wins when that is all that Hoyer is doing.}

_{You sir I hope you quietly and descretly hit a tree in some abandoned farm field. I dont want you to Die. I want you to suffer withour food and water for days untill someone finds you and lets hope its not Brian Hoyer.}

The Gipper

@stocktonshorts said:

Well "has a lame avatar" could be just about anyone on here, but not liked by almost every other member and likes "Coral"? I bet thats me you're talking about.

Now your turn, who is dead last in the NFL in 3rd down passing?

Is it the same guy that is now 8-3 as a starting QB for the Cleveland Browns? Which would be just about best in the history of the franchise behind Otto Graham?