Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer
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I'm sorry... Banner saying Mack's loss is huge supports your position how?
And then you cite Grossi "thinks" they're loading the box? Data? I have some to spare...
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/147127/buccaneers-vs-browns-preview
"The Browns haven’t been able to run the ball effectively the past few games. What’s gone wrong?
McManamon: The easy answer is to say the Browns lost their Pro Bowl center. Without Alex Mack the Browns aren’t even averaging 2 yards a carry the past two games. Clearly that’s a factor. But the bigger factor is that Jacksonville and Oakland dared the Browns to throw by loading the box with a safety to protect against the run. It’s no secret that Kyle Shanahan’s offense is built around the ability to run and play-action, so teams are trying to take the run away and negate play-action."
Maybe its time to reevaluate how you "Box Count" Tour.
Browns can't run because of Brian Hoyer. Teams don't believe in him. 3 Worst teams in the league and almost lost to all 3 and they all ran the same scheme. Three worst teams in the league outscored the Browns 54-51. Browns scored only 1 TD that wasn't off a turnover in 3 games against the worst teams in the league.
The Book is out. Thursday is going to be a loss because of it.
Browns can't run because of Brian Hoyer. Teams don't believe in him. 3 Worst teams in the league and almost lost to all 3 and they all ran the same scheme. Three worst teams in the league outscored the Browns 54-51. Browns scored only 1 TD that wasn't off a turnover in 3 games against the worst teams in the league.
You know what I heard.....whoever has the most points at the end of the game wins. They add another one to the column under the W and that is still the only stat that truly matters. Maybe I'm just too simple of a person to understand all this other bullshit but to me as long as the team as a bigger number in the W column as opposed to the L column, the team as a whole is doing something right.
Again....I've never claimed to be smarter than everyone though so maybe I'm just too dumb. Although, I think that anyone on a fucking football message board who tries to claim he's smarter than everyone else here is really desperately seeking attention. Based on that picture with the gay backpack and douchebag sunglasses on his head....I'm sure he needs as much attention as he can get.
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Which QB, you ask?? Grade or rank these three stat lines...
125 of 205 (60.9%) for 1,628 yards, 13 TDs, 4 INTs, QB Rating of 95.5
165 of 276 (59.8%) for 1,990 yards, 10 TDs, 6 INTs, QB Rating of 87.3
146 of 252 (57.9%) for 2,014 yards, 10 TDs, 4 INTs, QB Rating of 90.3
Which QB's do you think put these #'s up??
Which QB, you ask?? Grade or rank these three stat lines...
125 of 205 (60.9%) for 1,628 yards, 13 TDs, 4 INTs, QB Rating of 95.5 Russell Wilson 2013, first 8 games
165 of 276 (59.8%) for 1,990 yards, 10 TDs, 6 INTs, QB Rating of 87.3 Joe Flacco 2012, first 8 games
146 of 252 (57.9%) for 2,014 yards, 10 TDs, 4 INTs, QB Rating of 90.3 Brian Hoyer 2014, first 8 games
Which QB's do you think put these #'s up??
Since nobody responded... I thought I would just point out the fact that these 3 stat lines are not very different. Wilson was the most efficient but clearly threw the least; Hoyer had the lowest comp. pct, but most yards; meanwhile Flacco had the worst stat line of all with 6 INTs...
But, oh yes... Hoyer isn't good enough to win a Super Bowl compared to those two studs...
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I'm sorry... Banner saying Mack's loss is huge supports your position how?
And then you cite Grossi "thinks" they're loading the box? Data? I have some to spare...
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/147127/buccaneers-vs-browns-preview
"The Browns haven’t been able to run the ball effectively the past few games. What’s gone wrong?
McManamon: The easy answer is to say the Browns lost their Pro Bowl center. Without Alex Mack the Browns aren’t even averaging 2 yards a carry the past two games. Clearly that’s a factor. But the bigger factor is that Jacksonville and Oakland dared the Browns to throw by loading the box with a safety to protect against the run. It’s no secret that Kyle Shanahan’s offense is built around the ability to run and play-action, so teams are trying to take the run away and negate play-action."
Maybe its time to reevaluate how you "Box Count" Tour.
Browns can't run because of Brian Hoyer. Teams don't believe in him. 3 Worst teams in the league and almost lost to all 3 and they all ran the same scheme. Three worst teams in the league outscored the Browns 54-51. Browns scored only 1 TD that wasn't off a turnover in 3 games against the worst teams in the league.
The Book is out. Thursday is going to be a loss because of it.
"McManamon: It’s no secret that Kyle Shanahan’s offense is built around the ability to run and play-action, so teams are trying to take the run away and negate play-action."
Maybe its time to reevaluate how you "Box Count" Tour.
Browns can't run because of Brian Hoyer. Teams don't believe in him. 3 Worst teams in the league and almost lost to all 3 and they all ran the same scheme./[/font][/color]
So teams loading up to counter the strengths of "Kyle Shanahan's offense" is the same as we can't "run because of Brian Hoyer"? Only in your egomaniacal mind...
The Box Count is fine...
Step 1: Imagine a "box".
Step 2: At the snap of every play count the opponent's defenders in the box.
With some practice and dedication, even you might master it by the start of the 2015 season.
But, yes, our last three opponents all ran 4-3's. It's why they tended to have 7 in the box most plays.
Week 9 Oakland
Ttl : 8 - 12; 7 - 22; 6 - 16; 5 or less - 7
When facing 8 we beat it (gain of 4 or more) 4 times; lost (gain of 0 or less) 4 times and tied 4 times. Long gain was 16 off a PAP. It was the only time we threw at an 8-man front. The limited run success we had both came late in the game and was up the middle.
Week 8 JAX
Ttl: 8 - 13; 7 - 25; 6 - 21; 5 or less - 16
Of course for a base D, 7 is the normal count. At times tight WRs gave the appearance of more in the box than there really were. Why did we draw them in? Ask Shanny...
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I Don't post much, but 'Mods" is there a way I can just block the F'n Tool bag so I don't have to read his B'S##$T. I actually feel pity for you "Stockton". you probably grew up as 1 of those irrelevant kids no one payed attention to. Got into Dungeons and Dragons, so you can actually say you have a friend (I mean 1). Now you moved onto World of Warcraft, Living in your parents basement, where they probably built a bathroom down there, so they see you less. This is all an attention getter I get it. Your the talk of the blog, I bet you would bitch when you die and they didn't bury you in a new suit. There ya go son, tell me how it is!
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I Don't post much, but 'Mods" is there a way I can just block the F'n Tool bag so I don't have to read his B'S##$T. I actually feel pity for you "Stockton". you probably grew up as 1 of those irrelevant kids no one payed attention to. Got into Dungeons and Dragons, so you can actually say you have a friend (I mean 1). Now you moved onto World of Warcraft, Living in your parents basement, where they probably built a bathroom down there, so they see you less. This is all an attention getter I get it. Your the talk of the blog, I bet you would bitch when you die and they didn't bury you in a new suit. There ya go son, tell me how it is!
I Don't post much, but 'Mods" is there a way I can just block the F'n Tool bag so I don't have to read his B'S##$T.
Click on your screen name at top right of page to produce drop menu.
Lower right of list is "Manage Ignore Prefs"... click.
Copy/ paste name, etc. and you're free....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Thank you so much....
But aren't you afraid that you won't be as smart as Stockboy Shits if you don't get to read his brilliance on this board?
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But aren't you afraid that you won't be as smart as Stockboy Shits if you don't get to read his brilliance on this board?
Actually, I feel That my IQ might be higher if I don't read his Crap. But again I see your point and that I might be in a better position to understand the trivial BS that Trolls talk about, making me a better informed person. Great Point MARK, Thanks for the Heads Up...
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But aren't you afraid that you won't be as smart as Stockboy Shits if you don't get to read his brilliance on this board?
Actually, I feel That my IQ might be higher if I don't read his Crap. But again I see your point and that I might be in a better position to understand the trivial BS that Trolls talk about, making me a better informed person. Great Point MARK, Thanks for the Heads Up...
Actually, I feel That my IQ might be higher if I don't read his Crap. But again I see your point and that I might be in a better position to understand the trivial BS that Trolls talk about, making me a better informed person. Great Point MARK, Thanks for the Heads Up...
If nothing else....it can make you feel better about your own life in that you aren't so desperate for attention that you'll become a pompous jackass on a message board to get attention.
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Mark O, thanks, your right. I really hope to make a home game next year with all you Browns fans.
Mark O, thanks, your right. I really hope to make a home game next year with all you Browns fans.
Stick around here...I'm sure once the schedule comes out there will be some mention of it on here as to which game the majority of us from out of town (and even out of the country) will be making the trip back for a game. As some will be quick to point out....I am a cold weather wuss so I'm not coming back for any game after about the first week of November. Anything after that is too cold for me.
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But aren't you afraid that you won't be as smart as Stockboy Shits if you don't get to read his brilliance on this board?
Another thing Stocky doesn't realize is nothing will piss off other Forum Members faster than essentially claiming- I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're all a bunch of idiots.
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But aren't you afraid that you won't be as smart as Stockboy Shits if you don't get to read his brilliance on this board?
Another thing Stocky doesn't realize is nothing will piss off other Forum Members faster than essentially claiming- I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're all a bunch of idiots.
Another thing Stocky doesn't realize is nothing will piss off other Forum Members faster than essentially claiming- I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're all a bunch of idiots.
I will never say that I'm smarter then anyone on here, But I will Say that I AM A CLEVELAND BROWNS FAN, THRU AND THRU, AND I DON'T REALLY CARE WHO THE "F" IS OUR QB, I WILL ROOT FOR HIM AS LONG AS WE ARE WINNING...
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But aren't you afraid that you won't be as smart as Stockboy Shits if you don't get to read his brilliance on this board?
Another thing Stocky doesn't realize is nothing will piss off other Forum Members faster than essentially claiming- I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're all a bunch of idiots.
Another thing Stocky doesn't realize is nothing will piss off other Forum Members faster than essentially claiming- I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're all a bunch of idiots.
Hoorta that's nearly every post from every member. ......
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The guy is a liar and troll. Claims to always have been a browns fan but only joined when we drafted manziel. Then comes on a full out barrage of pro manziel anti hoyer posts. Slowly retracts supreme gsy manziel posts but continues anti hoyer tirade.
But again... Claims to be life long browns fan and only shows up when Jonny comes along. Slings his yogurt all over johhny pics but was always a browns fan. Yeah... Right...
Don't feed the trolls.
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Is that like a Johnny Football Knob Muncher on a Browns forum? (You should know)
I dont blame you guys as this point. I understand you're simpletons and can't understand big picture ideas.
However I could not say it more times that I do not know if Manziel is good or not. He could be horrible. Hell we could release him tomorrow and I'll go right to saying Shaw needs to start, this is about Brian Hoyer. He is as average as it gets,below average in many regards, he is not a Franchise QB and the fact he's keeping this team in the middle is the worst thing that could happen to a team thats trying to build. You're either in the ocean or on the beach, but we're hanging out in the surf and we're drowning.
I get that in your brains if ANYBODY doesn't like Hoyer then they HAVE to be a Manziel lover. You can't see what you can't see, and its not your fault, its genetics. You get passed down the inability to understand large concepts, and its just stuck with you. Like Hoyer is stuck being mediocre.
I also don't blame any of you, Bone, bbedward or whatever, MIktoxic, and especially Tour for loving Brian Hoyer. Everyone likes the people they can relate to. Hoyer is that for you. An everyman out there making good. In 30 years someone will say "Hey remember Brian Hoyer?" and people will say "Who?" and they'll say "You know, that guy that was QB for the Browns that one year...bald head?" and people will reach deep in their memories and go "Hmm..maybe, I think I remember him".
And thats who each of you are. The average man that has been born, will live, and will leave this earth without anyone ever remembering you for anything because you're completely unremarkable. Just like Hoyer, and thus he is your hero. I do not blame you for this, it's not your fault its nature.
You should live up it. Right now live it up, because this world you've constructed where the Browns are a contender and Brian Hoyer is the Franchise guy is about to take some severe blows and this is probably your last chance to live in this alternate reality. After that its my turn.
Miller Light in a Champaign League.
Miller Light in a Champaign League.
If you're going to start using this metaphor as a tag line spell it right like an adult.
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The guy is a liar and troll. Claims to always have been a browns fan but only joined when we drafted manziel. Then comes on a full out barrage of pro manziel anti hoyer posts. Slowly retracts supreme gsy manziel posts but continues anti hoyer tirade.
But again... Claims to be life long browns fan and only shows up when Jonny comes along. Slings his yogurt all over johhny pics but was always a browns fan. Yeah... Right...
Don't feed the trolls.
The guy is a liar and troll. Claims to always have been a browns fan but only joined when we drafted manziel. Then comes on a full out barrage of pro manziel anti hoyer posts. Slowly retracts supreme gsy manziel posts but continues anti hoyer tirade.
But again... Claims to be life long browns fan and only shows up when Jonny comes along. Slings his yogurt all over johhny pics but was always a browns fan. Yeah... Right...
Don't feed the trolls.
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Sound logic, bruh. I still think Hoyer isn't going to win a Super Bowl or even a playoff game.
Ever.
What we need to do is find a guy that's essentially a 30 year old rookie with a torn ACL in his past and franchise tag him
Said no one until Cleveland.
Because, 8-8 is our Super Bowl.
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"Brian Hoyer keeps finding a way to win for the Browns, even if it's not always pretty. When he threw an early pick against the Bucs, the camera naturally went to Johnny Manziel. But Hoyer played through it and did some good things in the second half. I still don't think he's the long-term answer for the Browns, but with the team 5-3 he's earned the right to stay in there. I guess."
That line in red says it all. And thats what MOST have been saying all along.
The funny thing is YOU posted this, but it completely goes against your whole argument, while supporting most of the others who say you leave Hoyer in. Dupe
The funny thing is YOU posted this, but it completely goes against your whole argument, while supporting most of the others who say you leave Hoyer in. Dupe
Not the first time... won't be the last...
But aren't you afraid that you won't be as smart as Stockboy Shits if you don't get to read his brilliance on this board?
I've used "the Bozo button" on other forums. They've all had a button that reveals individual Bozo posts temporarily. I usually ended up peeking at those posts that were not quoted by someone (quotes are not filtered), so I quit using it.
Besides... Bozo bashing is fun!
Another thing Stocky doesn't realize is nothing will piss off other Forum Members faster than essentially claiming- I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're all a bunch of idiots.
If being unpopular is the price of illuminating our dim, little forum, then he seems fully prepared to pay that price...
The Mikey is strong in this one...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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