Jadaveon Clowney out 9 months.
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Next year Clowney and Watt will be one of the most ridiculous defensive tandems in the game....in a few years they will be thought of as possibly the most dominant defensive pair in history. Mark it.
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Next year Clowney and Watt will be one of the most ridiculous defensive tandems in the game....in a few years they will be thought of as possibly the most dominant defensive pair in history. Mark it.
Next year Clowney and Watt will be one of the most ridiculous defensive tandems in the game....in a few years they will be thought of as possibly the most dominant defensive pair in history. Mark it.
six pack says clowney is out half the year next year, if not more.
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Nah...I will say though that he wouldn't have fit in Cleveland. Would rather we took Mack tbh if we went defense. I can't believe Mack, who was projected as a 3-4 OLB'er or 4-3 DE, is playing 4-3 OLB'er....and beasting. Means he could have easily performed all the coverage duties expected out of him as a 3-4 ILB'er and probably still be a better run stopper than anyone we currently have. That one actually irritates me more than not taking a WR'er cause I'm a defense guy. I have zero doubt that mack would have been team cpt in 2-3 years and be one of the best 3-4 ILB'ers since Ray Lewis. He's being completely underutilized as a 4-3 OLB'er, but I suspect Oakland is grooming him to be the Mike in a few years.
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Skip Bayless looks like Earnest Angley's Retarded nephew and is a Brandon Weeden apologist.
Thank God that creepy little eunuch didn't reproduce.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Did they recently ask him? I know last week he didnt want Johnny to start. Doesnt like the situation he is being thrown into. I do understand his point. Skip also knows if Johnny has any blemishes, Stephen A will give him hell, lol
Skip also thought Tebow was great.
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I'm sure the biggest hope for the Texans is that this year humbled him a lot. The number 1 pick this year was a tough call and I completely understand why they went with Clowney.
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Jake Matthews should have been #1
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Clowney needs to have surgery on his labia. He will NEVER be a factor for the Texans.
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You think the Texans would still have drafted him?
Texans LB Jadeveon Clowney underwent microfracture knee surgery on Monday and is expected to be sidelined nine months, per sources.
You think the Texans would still have drafted him?
Hell no!
They were dumb to draft him the first time.
Microfracture surgery?.......he's done.....I give him 2 or 3 injury riddled years and then he'll be out of the league....
Final career tally will be something like 4 seasons.....30 games played.....45 tackles.....and 3 sacks.....
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Don't forget his antics in College:
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@everlastingxxx said:
Isnt it a degenerative type knee surgery? I know Anthony Spencer of the Cowboys had it done, missed almost 2 seasons and he is now a shell of his former self. Could be career ending. Texans didnt do their due diligence? I didnt like the pick, i would have drafted Manziel #1. Texans are fuckin idiots.
Sure is, Courtney Brown, Greg Oden in the NBA. Not positive, but think Kellen Winslow Jr. Not good.
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You think the Texans would still have drafted him?
Hell no!
They were dumb to draft him the first time.
Microfracture surgery?.......he's done.....I give him 2 or 3 injury riddled years and then he'll be out of the league....
Final career tally will be something like 4 seasons.....30 games played.....45 tackles.....and 3 sacks.....
Hell no!
They were dumb to draft him the first time.
Microfracture surgery?.......he's done.....I give him 2 or 3 injury riddled years and then he'll be out of the league....
Final career tally will be something like 4 seasons.....30 games played.....45 tackles.....and 3 sacks.....
^This
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@everlastingxxx said:
Isnt it a degenerative type knee surgery? I know Anthony Spencer of the Cowboys had it done, missed almost 2 seasons and he is now a shell of his former self. Could be career ending. Texans didnt do their due diligence? I didnt like the pick, i would have drafted Manziel #1. Texans are fuckin idiots.
Sure is, Courtney Brown, Greg Oden in the NBA. Not positive, but think Kellen Winslow Jr. Not good.
Sure is, Courtney Brown....
And Courtney Brown was a MUCH better prospect....and player....than Clowney.....stat wise, they're not even close....
I think Brown would have been great, if not for all the injuries. It seems like the physical freaks always come apart at the seams....
Like the human body cant take the extreme strength, speed, etc...the frame, ligaments, tendons, binding materials are just too weak....cant contain the explosiveness ....and then break up....
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Just because I cant stand Clowney...and am tired of hearing how he's a freak and the "first" guy ever like this...blah blah blah....a total media creation. ...dude doesnt even like football.....so, I got the numbers for anyone that doesnt remember our own Courtney Brown....who was a Jadevion Clowney who could ACTUALLY play....til he broke....here are their predraft/pro day #....and remember, they are all saying there has NEVER been a guy like JC.......
Clowney:
- 6'- 6" 266 lbs
- 37.5 vertical leap
- 4.53 sec - 40 yds
- Bench 225# x 21 reps
- 3 yrs college : 130 tackles, 47 TFL, 24 sacks
Brown:
- 6'-5" 270 lbs
- 37" vertical leap
- 4.52 sec - 40 yds
- Bench 225# x 26 reps
- 3 yrs college : 191 tackles, 70 TFL(NCAA record), 33 sacks(NCAA record)
So...technically....Brown was STRONGER.....and Brown was FASTER....and Brown slayed him stat wise....
Imagine what the media would create if Brown came along today....so to clarify, Clowney aint a "once in a lifetime prospect"....he was here just a few years ago.....
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called it from day one.
where's all the "we shoulda drafted watkins" guys who also wanted clowney?
step up to the plate now you little fudges.
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called it from day one.
where's all the "we shoulda drafted watkins" guys who also wanted clowney?
step up to the plate now you little fudges.
called it from day one.
where's all the "we shoulda drafted watkins" guys who also wanted clowney?
step up to the plate now you little fudges.
hope you're not talking about me cause I wanted Mack even if Clowney was available....and mostly because we already have a lot of money tied up at OLB'er. If we didn't have either Sheard or Kruger, yeah I would probably have been quite fine with taking CLowney if he was there, even with this injury. He's still going to be an unblockable freak when he's 100% healthy. I reject all comparisons to Courtney Brown....there's no comparison between the two's skillset. And if CLowney would have been in Cleveland he probably would be playing still cause First Energy is a professional stadium that takes it's field conditions seriously. NRG is a covered stadium and it still has some of the worst turf problems in the NFL. Apparently the field is contructed of pallets of turf, like 1500 of em or something like that. So there's seams between all those pallets. I don't know if Clowney stepped into a seam or whatever but look up NRG turf issues. Why a stadium that literally overlooks lake erie has better turf throughout the cold season than a stadium in freekin Texas is beyond me.
Clowney will be fine.
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called it from day one.
where's all the "we shoulda drafted watkins" guys who also wanted clowney?
step up to the plate now you little fudges.
hope you're not talking about me cause I wanted Mack even if Clowney was available....and mostly because we already have a lot of money tied up at OLB'er. If we didn't have either Sheard or Kruger, yeah I would probably have been quite fine with taking CLowney if he was there, even with this injury. He's still going to be an unblockable freak when he's 100% healthy. I reject all comparisons to Courtney Brown....there's no comparison between the two's skillset. And if CLowney would have been in Cleveland he probably would be playing still cause First Energy is a professional stadium that takes it's field conditions seriously. NRG is a covered stadium and it still has some of the worst turf problems in the NFL. Apparently the field is contructed of pallets of turf, like 1500 of em or something like that. So there's seams between all those pallets. I don't know if Clowney stepped into a seam or whatever but look up NRG turf issues. Why a stadium that literally overlooks lake erie has better turf throughout the cold season than a stadium in freekin Texas is beyond me.
Clowney will be fine.
hope you're not talking about me cause I wanted Mack even if Clowney was available....and mostly because we already have a lot of money tied up at OLB'er. If we didn't have either Sheard or Kruger, yeah I would probably have been quite fine with taking CLowney if he was there, even with this injury. He's still going to be an unblockable freak when he's 100% healthy. I reject all comparisons to Courtney Brown....there's no comparison between the two's skillset. And if CLowney would have been in Cleveland he probably would be playing still cause First Energy is a professional stadium that takes it's field conditions seriously. NRG is a covered stadium and it still has some of the worst turf problems in the NFL. Apparently the field is contructed of pallets of turf, like 1500 of em or something like that. So there's seams between all those pallets. I don't know if Clowney stepped into a seam or whatever but look up NRG turf issues. Why a stadium that literally overlooks lake erie has better turf throughout the cold season than a stadium in freekin Texas is beyond me.
Clowney will be fine.
i was kinda thinking you and a couple other people but i'm not here to rub one's nose in shit. i know you're just as passionate as me as a brown's fan and i respect that.
i agree with you on mack. i also agree with people on evans. BUT i think farmer did the right thing drafting gilbert. another CB to compliment haden was necessary. who knew that skrine would step up like he did as well as some UDFA? farmer and pettine are defensive minded guys. farmer is also a former DB so when haden said he liked gilbert out of all the DBs in the draft i knew if farmer was serious about helping that part of the team out he would make a move.....and he did. would i have liked to seen them somehow pull out an evans and gilbert deal? hell yeah. but that would've have cost us the entire draft thereafter and the guy starting at QB sunday would prob be playing for minnesota.
will clowney be alright? doubt it. the stats are stacked against him with that type of surgery.
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hope you're not talking about me cause I wanted Mack even if Clowney was available....and mostly because we already have a lot of money tied up at OLB'er. If we didn't have either Sheard or Kruger, yeah I would probably have been quite fine with taking CLowney if he was there, even with this injury. He's still going to be an unblockable freak when he's 100% healthy. I reject all comparisons to Courtney Brown....there's no comparison between the two's skillset. And if CLowney would have been in Cleveland he probably would be playing still cause First Energy is a professional stadium that takes it's field conditions seriously. NRG is a covered stadium and it still has some of the worst turf problems in the NFL. Apparently the field is contructed of pallets of turf, like 1500 of em or something like that. So there's seams between all those pallets. I don't know if Clowney stepped into a seam or whatever but look up NRG turf issues. Why a stadium that literally overlooks lake erie has better turf throughout the cold season than a stadium in freekin Texas is beyond me.
Clowney will be fine.
i was kinda thinking you and a couple other people but i'm not here to rub one's nose in shit. i know you're just as passionate as me as a brown's fan and i respect that.
i agree with you on mack. i also agree with people on evans. BUT i think farmer did the right thing drafting gilbert. another CB to compliment haden was necessary. who knew that skrine would step up like he did as well as some UDFA? farmer and pettine are defensive minded guys. farmer is also a former DB so when haden said he liked gilbert out of all the DBs in the draft i knew if farmer was serious about helping that part of the team out he would make a move.....and he did. would i have liked to seen them somehow pull out an evans and gilbert deal? hell yeah. but that would've have cost us the entire draft thereafter and the guy starting at QB sunday would prob be playing for minnesota.
will clowney be alright? doubt it. the stats are stacked against him with that type of surgery.
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Microfracture is a last resort type of thing. And very very risky to the structure of the bone. Greg Ogden is a great example. You are basically damaging(drilling & fracturing) the bone, to create new cartilage growth through healing. Problem is that it doesnt always work and then the bone is fucked....and it is usually used when the body doesn't heal properly on its own...so, the risk is greater, because healing is the key element needed....
So, people who dont heal well get this surgery, but need to heal well for it to work.....makes sense....not
Finally, it requires an extremely disciplined rehabilitation for full recovery.....a full 8 hours days of work to be part of the 68% percent "success" rate.....and Clowney aint the hardest worker or most driven guy, so thats a big question mark right there
The list of people who have had this surgery and returned to their previous form is very short. The list of people who have had it and then been a shadow of their previous selves is long.
For every 1 real success(100% recovery), there are 10 failures
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Theres lots of stuff to read, but here's a good medical article on it from the Virginia Cartilage Institue, not wikipedia or ESPN...
Microfracture
The most common procedure currently in use for cartilage repair is microfracture, which really means making a series of tiny holes (with a special awl) in order to stimulate the stem cells of the bone marrow. We all have stem cells in the bone marrow throughout life, but the prevalence of these cells is about 1 in 10,000, and decreases with age. The idea is to release these cells into the hole created by the loss of cartilage. If the cells form a clot, there is a good chance that some may start to grow into a new tissue that in some sense resembles cartilage, even if not perfectly; it is certainly better than no fill of the hole at all.Microfracture requires the same rehabilitation protocol as ACI, but it has the advantage of being performed arthroscopically. It is therefore considerably less expensive, and on that score alone has been promoted by many as being a “first line” approach. By this it is meant that if microfracture fails, the option for ACI or other techniques is still open. Insurance companies sometimes react positively when confronted with the information that microfracture has already been tried to heal a cartilage lesion.
Microfracture works especially well for small cartilage holes, and is considerably more successful in young people. Nevertheless, the success rates are variously quoted as between 60-75% even in the best hands and with the most motivated patients. This large a failure rate is not typical for other orthopaedic procedures (ACI will succeed apprx. 90% of the time), so of course the patient should know just what the odds are before embarking on the microfracture protocol, which really means an investment of about one year. Patient compliance and willingness to take directions is totally essential for microfracture! It may be for this reason, amongst others, that the well motivated young athlete has a higher success rate than the typical patient.
Patients are instructed that the rehab must go according to protocol, and especially as regards return to impact sports, that decision cannot be made by the patient alone or on the basis of how the patient feels. In other words, stay with the recipe, no embellishments. This problem has been reported in the popular press when professional athletes sometimes are allowed to return too early—this may result in repeat surgery.
My approach is to match the best procedure to a particular patient. The size of the cartilage lesion, the location, the age of the patient, the work situation—which sometimes means: is the patient willing to undergo the rehab twice (if the microfracture fails); all of these factors contribute to the decision to proceed with microfracture, to perform ACI or—in some cases—to not perform cartilage repair. This latter decision is particularly difficult to make, but it does appear to be logical as patients age and the possibility of a total knee replacement appears less daunting.
Stay tuned for procedures in the works that increase the efficacy of microfracture without requiring the growth of cells.
Reference: “The Microfracture Technique for the Treatment of Articular Cartilage Lesions in the Knee” in The Journal of Bone & Joint Surgery
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