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  • Oafwigger, lol. I forgot about that.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Whatever happened to the whole Texas secession thing....werent they gonna leave and be their own country or something?.....

    If that had happened, we'd have the first foreign QB, right?

    Browns Board HOF worthy summary there Z...

    Maybe we need a "history" section?

    @mudfly said:

    Whatever happened to the whole Texas secession thing....werent they gonna leave and be their own country or something?.....

    If that had happened, we'd have the first foreign QB, right?

    lol... well Perry won re-election as "Gubner" and had to tone it down for the Prez Priamries... Especially since he was dead wrong about Texas having a special right to secede granted when it originally joined the union.

    The terms of Annexation that supposedly allows Texas to cease being the state we now know, required it to be broken into five regions that could individually apply for statehood... not a desirable demotion for the "Gubner".

    But even if the Annexation term was still held up as valid, it's clearly trumped now by a little thing called The Constitution which prohibits existing states splitting into smaller states. Perry's never read past the 2nd Amendment.

    And FYI... Perry is much smarter now... wears glasses and everything.

    http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texas.asp

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  • Fuck. Just realised this game is going to be televised over here. Why so mad? Because the service that has the rights to it (Sky), I don't have. The service that I have (gamepass) shows every game that isn't on the other service. Fuck.

  • How about the war between Ohio and Michigan?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • its going to be great when johnny wins us the game.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Fucking Ft Wayne

    @mld-woody said:

    Fucking Ft Wayne

    Road trip to Toledo. There's a nice Sports Bar in Sylvania.

    @jrb12711 said:

    And here I am in North Carolina stuck with the barn-burner of Carolina vs Tampa Bay. I get it but damn. At least I get to see them live next week!

    In a word Directv Sunday Ticket.

    @everlastingxxx said:

    A question to those that have seen the build up to the other 20 quarterbacks. Does this feel any different? Is there any clue that you can sense that gives you slightly more hope?

    Zombo said it 10X better than I ever could. Very guarded optimism- I was in Camp Couch from the beginning, in fact I think I started it.

    So E, I think you can see now why most of the oldsters here are taking a "wait and see" attitude about Johnny- we've seen far, far too may flops- by any method you can dream up- to get our hopes up yet. It's not like the Browns haven't TRIED to find a great qb since 1999.

    going back even farther- we've had Kosar and Sipe- and even I'm not old enough to remember Otto Graham playing. BTW, "Automatic Otto's" feat gets lost in the distant mists of time. He played in what would now be considered the Super Bowl 10 straight years (every year he played professional football), and won 8 of them. JFF duplicates that feat, ESPN will declare him able to walk on water.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mld-woody said:

    And still... Fuck Ft Wayne

    So, why the Ft. Wayne hate?

    @the-gipper said:

    So, why the Ft. Wayne hate?

    Gip, having lived in Fort Wayne for the last 22 years I will shed some light on MLD's concern. Obviously living in Colt country each week we're fed Colt games. Being 107 miles from Indy it's out of black out range. So there's your AFC game.

    You can drive to Detroit , Chicago, Cincinnati, or Cleveland in approximately 3.5 hours. We are fed a steady diet of Lions and Bears games or even Packers games . Rarely we get to see the Browns around here. If you noticed the national broadcast map this week you will see that once again we get the fucking Packers game in the Fort and parts of Ohio to include Paulding. Fort Wayne reminds me of the Island for Misfit Toys. There is also a large amount of front running Steeler assholes around here but rarely do you actually find one from Pittsburg or even Pennsylvania of course. I have met only one Lions fan in over twenty years here. Bears fans are represented moderately as are Browns fans. I wear my Browns gear proudly when I go to the bars to watch games on Sunday and have noticed more and more "coming out" . It's like an A A meeting. "Hi, my name is Bob I'm a Browns fan" .

  • I'd say most of us hate the Cowboys. In order of hatred:

    Steelers Ravens Bengals and Cowboys.

    Others I generally root against but don't hate too badly Miami Dolphins Denver Broncos, Atlanta Falcons, Philadelphia Eagles, Oakland Raiders, New Orleans Saints. Some I just kind of don't like Seattle Seahawks, Jacksonville Jaguars, Washington Redskins, Carolina Panthers, Houston dumbass Texans, Arizona Cardinals,......

    The rest I either don't mind and root for if it doesn't affect the Browns or just don't care.

    WSS

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  • I drove to Chicago a couple weeks ago. It was the same day OSU played Michigan and I just planned to listen to the game as I drove across Indiana....

    You'd think it would be on, right?.....not!

    All I got was Indiana- Purdue(understandable....I guess)....or the Illinois game....channel after channel....no osu - mich.....wtf????

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    I drove to Chicago a couple weeks ago. It was the same day OSU played Michigan and I just planned to listen to the game as I drove across Indiana....

    You'd think it would be on, right?.....not!

    All I got was Indiana- Purdue(understandable....I guess)....or the Illinois game....channel after channel....no osu - mich.....wtf????

    @mudfly said:

    I drove to Chicago a couple weeks ago. It was the same day OSU played Michigan and I just planned to listen to the game as I drove across Indiana....

    You'd think it would be on, right?.....not!

    All I got was Indiana- Purdue(understandable....I guess)....or the Illinois game....channel after channel....no osu - mich.....wtf????

    Exactly !

    MudflyM 1 Reply

  • Great qb post zombo. Jeez what a clusterfuck

  • darkside5D darkside5

    @mudfly said:

    I drove to Chicago a couple weeks ago. It was the same day OSU played Michigan and I just planned to listen to the game as I drove across Indiana....

    You'd think it would be on, right?.....not!

    All I got was Indiana- Purdue(understandable....I guess)....or the Illinois game....channel after channel....no osu - mich.....wtf????

    Exactly !

    @darkside5 said:

    Exactly !

    Bad enough I couldnt watch...but not even on the radio?

    Yep....you bet I was pissed off and cussing Indiana that day....

  • @everlastingxxx said:

    As a Cowboys fan, i always root against the Patriots. They havent won a Super Bowl since they were caught cheating. Their punishment was a hand slap because Goodell is a known Patriot fan. The lame tuck rule that screwed the Raiders. Getting embarrassed by Eli Manning twice in Super Bowls, lol. Who was a Patriots fan before Brady came along? Seriously? I do like Bill Belichick, he is a great coach.

    Here is a link for the Pats fan that needs an education in Texas history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_San_Jacinto

    It's a shame Bill had to learn how to coach in Cleveland before he moved on to NE.

    To Art Modell's credit- he will go down in history of having the acumen to fire TWO HOF coaches. Paul Brown, and I consider Bill B to be a lock to get in eventually.

    Regarding the Cowboys- us guys up North despise the "America's Team" moniker. I had the pleasure of flipping Jerry Jones the bird- along with a few hundred other Browns fans- the last time the Cowboys played in Cleveland. Old Jerry was sitting in the owners box right behind us.

    👍
  • Pats_Fan93P Pats_Fan93

    @the-gipper said:

    @pats_fan93 said:

    I don't think its Tom Brady that gives New England fans this arrogance- even for all the years the Red Sox and Patriots weren't great, New England fans are typically arrogant jackasses who can only respond to disagreement by insisting that they are right.

    Nothing new to me, I am a lawyer after all.

    Also I don't think the Pats will necessarily be a bad team again just because Brady retires. If they let Jimmy G. learn behind Brady for a few years I could see him being a decent franchise quarterback. He is a FAR better backup skill-set wise than Mallet and Hoyer ever were (though you guys know all too well about the latter)

    Oh, now you really sound like a freeking Steeler fan: "We are great because we are great and nothing will ever turn us from the path of greatness."

    FYI, I think only twice in the history of the NFL did a team lose a HOF caliber QB and follow it up with another HOF caliber QB.

    Joe Montana followed by Steve Young

    Brett Favre followed by Aaron Rodgers.

    and maybe include Bob Waterfield followed by Norm Van Brocklin.

    (and in the near future probably Peyton followed by Luck)

    Jimmy Garropolo might be your Mark Malone (who had to follow up both Terry Bradshaw and Dan Fouts) or your Brian (not Bob) Griese or your Jay Fiedler or your Quincy Carter...or your Tommy O'Connell

    I never said Jimmy G. would be a HoF QB, nor did I say that we would be a championship team. I said I think he has the talent to be a "decent franchise quarterback". Also do I think we will still be contenders? As long as we have Bill Belichick, yes we will be. We may not win the AFC east every year after Brady leaves but yes we will still be in the running because Belichick knows how to assemble a good squad of guys year after year.

    @pats_fan93 said:

    I never said Jimmy G. would be a HoF QB, nor did I say that we would be a championship team. I said I think he has the talent to be a "decent franchise quarterback". Also do I think we will still be contenders? As long as we have Bill Belichick, yes we will be. We may not win the AFC east every year after Brady leaves but yes we will still be in the running because Belichick knows how to assemble a good squad of guys year after year.

    Well, BB had 5 seasons here and he had a losing record in 4 out of 5. In his first year in NE without Brady starting he went 5-11.

    So, the only evidence we have is that without Tom Brady at QB.... he has been a loser in 5 out of 6 years.

    But my suspicion is that BB will retire as the HC of the NEP when Brady calls it quits.....and then you will have a guy born in the same hospital as me for your HC.

    Pats_Fan93P Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • U Unsympathetic

    Texas is a cute place with a fascinating lack of self-awareness.

    They fetishize their military history ["Don't Mess With Texas"] yet the actual historical record shows that Texas conclusively lost every engagement they were in.

    The "free" state of Texas was bailed out by the US Federal Government - each and every time.

    @unsympathetic said:

    Texas is a cute place with a fascinating lack of self-awareness.

    They fetishize their military history ["Don't Mess With Texas"] yet the actual historical record shows that Texas conclusively lost every engagement they were in.

    The "free" state of Texas was bailed out by the US Federal Government - each and every time.

    No, the Battle of San Jacinto was all Texas (with the help, sure, of voluteers from various states).....they won that battle and their independence on their own.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @pats_fan93 said:

    I never said Jimmy G. would be a HoF QB, nor did I say that we would be a championship team. I said I think he has the talent to be a "decent franchise quarterback". Also do I think we will still be contenders? As long as we have Bill Belichick, yes we will be. We may not win the AFC east every year after Brady leaves but yes we will still be in the running because Belichick knows how to assemble a good squad of guys year after year.

    Well, BB had 5 seasons here and he had a losing record in 4 out of 5. In his first year in NE without Brady starting he went 5-11.

    So, the only evidence we have is that without Tom Brady at QB.... he has been a loser in 5 out of 6 years.

    But my suspicion is that BB will retire as the HC of the NEP when Brady calls it quits.....and then you will have a guy born in the same hospital as me for your HC.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, BB had 5 seasons here and he had a losing record in 4 out of 5. In his first year in NE without Brady starting he went 5-11.

    So, the only evidence we have is that without Tom Brady at QB.... he has been a loser in 5 out of 6 years.

    But my suspicion is that BB will retire as the HC of the NEP when Brady calls it quits.....and then you will have a guy born in the same hospital as me for your HC.

    Agreed. However you have to take into account that he didn't quite run the Browns like he runs the Patriots. The Pats are the BB show. He is GM and HC and he gets the players HE wants, and does what HE wants with them. His first year here, he didn't have as much of a chance to craft the team and he pretty much got what was handed to him, and look at the pick that he DID make in the draft. He picked arguably one of the All-Time greatest QB's in the game of football when no other team even gave him a look. But there are many other things that make him a great coach, I think too many people emphasize the Brady thing. It will be very interesting indeed to see what happens when the Brady days are over.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mudfly said:

    Haha....I always laugh when folks act like hot, dusty, sweaty, nasty places are better because there isnt snow or cold.....

    I'll take my winter....to be rewarded with glorious springs....perfectly tolerable(and GREEN) summers......beautiful, cool falls......all topped by a blanket of white for christmas.....

    My bro lives in Tucson, the ugliest and most hostile environment Ive ever been in.....I wouldn't last a week there.....

    And I visit Texas & Oklahoma about 5-6 times a year and wouldn't trade for a day.....or an hour....

    Well, to be honest, that has been my attitude too......but now that I am the age I am dealing with ice where you have to walk...and snow is becoming a problem. Plus I am starting to get some of those little tweeking pains from the cold...so I could see leaving the cold weather. But where would be the best place to go? I hate humid sweltering heat.....like Fla/Louisiana/ parts of Texas. San Diego and other parts of California might be great weather wise....but the traffic/cost of living etc. seem intolerable. Arizona is a possibility....but not Tuscon or Phoenix.....north toward Prescott or Sedona might be good. Flagstaff is too far north as they get a ton of snow there.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, to be honest, that has been my attitude too......but now that I am the age I am dealing with ice where you have to walk...and snow is becoming a problem. Plus I am starting to get some of those little tweeking pains from the cold...so I could see leaving the cold weather. But where would be the best place to go? I hate humid sweltering heat.....like Fla/Louisiana/ parts of Texas. San Diego and other parts of California might be great weather wise....but the traffic/cost of living etc. seem intolerable. Arizona is a possibility....but not Tuscon or Phoenix.....north toward Prescott or Sedona might be good. Flagstaff is too far north as they get a ton of snow there.

    My vote is for Sedona/Prescott. I visited there five years back and loved it. Plan to return and seriously considering retiring there someyear.

    @tour2ma said:

    Browns Board HOF worthy summary there Z...

    Maybe we need a "history" section?

    Indeed. I'm copying and saving that summary for my own use when someone asks me about Browns woes and the QB carousel! (credit to Z)

    One big difference is the sports media and portions of the country outside of Ohio are tuning in to see what Johnny does. The previous QB no one cared except Browns fans and a few college fanboy followers. Nothing to this degree though.

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    Anybody notice who the analyst is for Derek Anderson's start in Carolina this week? That's right ... Brady Quinn

    AWKWARD

    Zombo

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  • Bullshit. We kicked the Mexicans ass or we would still be part of Mexico. Kicked the Comanches ass too. AND kicked a bunch of outlaws ass to boot. Commit a capital crime in Texas and you get the death penalty.

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  • We may have a chihuahua leading the Dawg Pound but not a midget. Marvin Lewis,Jeremy Hill and Greg Little are mental midgets.

    GO JOHNNY "CHIHUAHUA" MANZIEL AND GO BROWNS !

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