Hoyer

Westside Steve

@tour2ma said:
Forgot to ask, "Is it ever?"

Yes it certainly should be.

And, IMO, I think it could be a better plan than burning everything down and rebuilding every season or two.

WSS

berniedenslow

Hi, I'm Jimmy Hasbeen, owner of the Browns, and I like to rebuild every 6 months!

Westside Steve

@berniedenslow said:
Hi, I'm Jimmy Hasbeen, owner of the Browns, and I like to rebuild every 6 months!

And that might be one of the rare times I've been okay with the quick trigger. From what I've heard Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi duo was forced on the Browns by the league.

I think either by luck or by forethought Jimmy made a good decision with the coach and front office.

WSS

tiamat63

@westside-steve said:

And that might be one of the rare times I've been okay with the quick trigger. From what I've heard Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi duo was forced on the Browns by the league.

I think either by luck or by forethought Jimmy made a good decision with the coach and front office.

WSS

Not at all. That was Haslam's error from day one. He hired Banner knowing full well that eventually Lombardi would be brought on board. Him getting rid of both - let's just say Cleveland fans owe thanks to Peyton Manning.

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:

Yes it certainly should be.

And, IMO, I think it could be a better plan than burning everything down and rebuilding every season or two.

I'd say "hope" is the worst plan in the world... if it qualified as a plan.

But if it was a plan, then it might be second only to the annual burn-down in a list of worsts. Of course, when you are repeatedly burning down an org, it is usually followed by hoping you do better this next time.

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:

And that might be one of the rare times I've been okay with the quick trigger. From what I've heard Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi duo was forced on the Browns by the league.

I think either by luck or by forethought Jimmy made a good decision with the coach and front office.

Yes, forced and, yes, a great call by Jimmy to flush the pair of them.

However, I would not attribute his decision to luck or forethought. While I think he liked neither the arm's length they imposed nor the decisions they made, e.g., Chud, I believe at the core of his reorg decision was a CEO's hatred of a padded Org Chart.

Clear lines of authority and responsibility are a CEO's wet dream. Banner and Lombo muddied up the lines.

Also did not hurt that he likely saw talent in Farmer and Pet.

Just my $0.02.

jcam222

@berniedenslow said:
Hi, I'm Jimmy Hasbeen, owner of the Browns, and I like to rebuild every 6 months!

The sad thing is based on the content of your posting you probably do believe you're him. Who do you think you are after you take your meds?

Chicopee John

Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:

Nerdiest

Pathetic

Sophomoric

Mudfly

@chicopee-john said:

Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

Nerdiest

more nerdiest?

D Bone

DieHardBrownsFan

@chicopee-john said:

Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:

Nerdiest

Pathetic

Sophomoric

I'd add 'Gay'

Tour2ma

When the gaying gets tough, the forum turns to DieHard...

@chicopee-john said:
Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

loyal

heartfelt

slimdawg

@chicopee-john said:

Just one thing.....................can ANYBODY remember a more [fill in the blank] thread title on this board.

My top 3 [fill in the blanks], in no particular order:

Nerdiest

Pathetic

Sophomoric

Dont see any problem with it at all, nothin but the truth is all. Tired of just blowing through qb's year after year. This year we had pretty decent QB play, but instead of sticking with him and putting in the time and effort to help him get better, just toss em aside and move on to the next sacrificial lamb for Cleveland. Only this time the sacrifice will be televised coast to coast.

Opal312

It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.

slimdawg

@opal312 said:
It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy. And there aren't many Andrew Lucks' graduating anytime soon. Say goodbye to; Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and pretty soon Colin Kaepernick.

Yep pretty much, everyone has to have instant gratification and instant returns. Life isnt made in a microwave. I think the media is ruining it all.

Ibleedbrown

@slimdawg said:
Yep pretty much, everyone has to have instant gratification and instant returns. Life isnt made in a microwave. I think the media is ruining it all.

Microwave.

You ever put metal in it? It catches fire!

Metal!

DieHardBrownsFan

@tour2ma said:

When the gaying gets tough, the forum turns to DieHard...

loyal

heartfelt

Go study some more film grandpa. A comedian you ain't.

Ibleedbrown

@diehardbrownsfan said:
Go study some more film grandpa. A comedian you ain't.

You ever put film in a microwave?

Yeah, me neither.

Tour2ma

@opal312 said:
It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck!

Great example...

Except that Bradshaw started game one his rookie year... also started game 2 thru 7...

Then was benched for nearly the last half of that year for poor play, limited to spot duty in garbage time...

Bradshaw's circumstances were far closer to Couch's than Johnny's... both were overall #1's that were immediately pressed into service on bad teams.

By contrast to either, our "patience" with JM has been unlimited.

Mudfly

@opal312 said:
It used to be they developed a quarterback. Not anymore! If Bradshaw was coming out today, good luck! Teams won't wait to develop a guy.

@tour2ma said:

Great example...Except that Bradshaw started game one his rookie year... Then was benched for poor play

Bradshaw's circumstances were far closer to Couch's than Johnny's... both were overall #1's that were immediately pressed into service on bad teams.

By contrast to either, our "patience" with JM has been unlimited.

The bigger difference is today Free Agency and rookie contracts prohibit "development" of higher draft picks.

Because of the rookie pay scale & CBA, we gotta pay high picks millions from day one(like they're already stars) and only have them for only a few years before they can leave....so....we should spend years and millions developing QB's for other teams?

No. Today, if you're picked early and you have the 8 million dollar contract, you are expected to perform. Right away.

Connor Shaw cost us nothing.....and get's paid nothing...so THAT is the type you "develop". And presumed SUPERSTARS are held to a higher standard and paid as such.