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  • if manziel looks as bad as he did against the bengals last week in the last 2 remaining games i wouldn't be so sure about next year's roster.

    hoyer blew his chance for a big contract with the browns, or so it looked until manziel took the field.

  • Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @cuwoohio said:

    I agree, but I don't think Hoyer will be here next year, and they are not going into the season with Manziel and Shaw. They will have to get a veteran from free agency not another rookie unless they decide to part ways with Manziel, and I doubt that.

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

    @bbedward said:

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

    What about Grossman and Kyle Orton?

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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  • Opal312O Opal312

    Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    @opal312 said:

    Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    you funny.

  • Opal312O Opal312

    @bbedward said:

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

    What about Grossman and Kyle Orton?

    @opal312 said:

    What about Grossman and Kyle Orton?

    If what we saw on the field Sunday is the other option, blech.

    If we beef up the line, I think the good Brian (the one who doesn't throw picks) is a fine option for awhile.

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  • Opal312O Opal312

    Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    @opal312 said:

    Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    you can't make that call after 1 year. Vince Lombardi could rise up out of the grave and still need a few years to gel with guys. Like Pettine or not, we don't have a choice but to stick with him for years to come. Blame past FO's but it is what it is now....another coaching change means we'll NEVER get anyone here worth a damn. You want the Browns to become a yearly procession of CFL and D3 cast outs? You think we'll get a Cowher type here if we demonstrably prove that any coach that comes here has to "at least" make the playoffs year 1? No chance.

  • This should Chuds 2nd year and more importantly Hortons 2nd year with this defense. I think our offense production would be fairly similar to what it was but I think our defense would have been much improved over last year given the same scheme. I def think the scheme change had at least a good part to do with the onset of the complete inability to track down runners.

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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @opal312 said:

    What about Grossman and Kyle Orton?

    If what we saw on the field Sunday is the other option, blech.

    If we beef up the line, I think the good Brian (the one who doesn't throw picks) is a fine option for awhile.

    @bbedward said:

    If what we saw on the field Sunday is the other option, blech.

    If we beef up the line, I think the good Brian (the one who doesn't throw picks) is a fine option for awhile.

    Unless he wants the same contract that he did earlier this year. If he's a complete dick and says well you have to give me what I want otherwise you're stuck with Johnny...than I'd rather see JM out there or even Grossman. Hoyer should take the deal he was offered, if the Browns or so inclined anymore (I hope they are), and thank the lord above he'll be starting on an NFL team next year.

  • also...change the thread title back to cunts, thanks.

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  • some people just don't get it.

    everyone called our defense 'championship caliber' after the Indy game. now they think they're bums. do you know who didn't play?

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    some people just don't get it.

    everyone called our defense 'championship caliber' after the Indy game. now they think they're bums. do you know who didn't play?

    @miktoxic said:

    some people just don't get it.

    everyone called our defense 'championship caliber' after the Indy game. now they think they're bums. do you know who didn't play?

    I think everybody understood it was just one game. I don't think anybody was actually thinking one game proved our D turned any corners. Especially against a team that started Trich in the backfield.

  • so i guess they were bums in the 7 games we won? take away our biggest run stopper our top corner our top safety and some other key components............oh you're a waste of time.

    you are the new flip flopper only behind walter.

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  • So you start 11 men on Defense from our initial 11 starters, we were missing or lost early

    Armonty Bryant

    Phil Taylor

    Carlos Dansby

    Joe Haden

    Buster Skrine

    Tashaun Gipson

    add the players nursing injuries....

    Sheard

    Winn

    Mingo

    Leaves you with basically 2-3 "healthy" starters...out of 11....from day 1....

    But maybe the defense collapsed because of Haslam or bad coaching or they hated Johnny or something(sarcasm)...please

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  • C Clevfan4life

    This should Chuds 2nd year and more importantly Hortons 2nd year with this defense. I think our offense production would be fairly similar to what it was but I think our defense would have been much improved over last year given the same scheme. I def think the scheme change had at least a good part to do with the onset of the complete inability to track down runners.

    @clevfan4life said:

    This should Chuds 2nd year and more importantly Hortons 2nd year with this defense. I think our offense production would be fairly similar to what it was but I think our defense would have been much improved over last year given the same scheme. I def think the scheme change had at least a good part to do with the onset of the complete inability to track down runners.

    Only the browns fans would call for a coaching change.

    4-12 to 7-7,8-8, or 9-7 is a fine improvement. Splitting everybody in the division would be an improvement too, if we beat Baltimore.

  • Z Zombo

    @tacosman said:

    We need to draft pieces to help JF out. Period.

    Let's get him an All Pro WR, a Pro Bowl TE and a HOF Left tackle.

    Oh wait ... already got those. Let's get him a little periscope so he can see what is going on above the linemen's heads.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Let's get him an All Pro WR, a Pro Bowl TE and a HOF Left tackle.

    Oh wait ... already got those. Let's get him a little periscope so he can see what is going on above the linemen's heads.

    Zombo

    Wonder of there is submarine play book?

  • Draft talk. Walter posted Danny Shelton. So I went and took quite a look at him. No thanks, I'd still prefer Malcolm Brown.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    Draft talk. Walter posted Danny Shelton. So I went and took quite a look at him. No thanks, I'd still prefer Malcolm Brown.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Draft talk. Walter posted Danny Shelton. So I went and took quite a look at him. No thanks, I'd still prefer Malcolm Brown.

    I hope they take ALL of Walters 52 upcoming "need" picks...... Then we will be spared about 537 "who we shoulda picked" threads..

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  • ManzierM Manzier

    @tiamat63 said:

    This "losing culture" was really turning around the first 10 weeks of the season, was it not?

    I think they're enough players on this team now that are hungry to win. More importantly some vets that have tasted success which becomes infectious. The issue is injury, talent and leadership. The last of those being a very distant 3rd. Suppose Mack, Dansby, Phil, Gipson and Monty weren't hurt. This team would probably be sitting around 9 wins with a serious shot at taking the AFCN.

    For the first time in a long time, this team had direction, a steady coach that didn't throw his own players under the bus and some talent. The most important being the latter. Now that a good portion of said talent is on the IR, the team has suffered.

    It's pretty simple, this draft class and free agency pool can help this team. It's rarely an overnight process in the NFL. We have 7 wins for god sake. One over what might be the NFC south champ, a blowout over Pittsburgh and another over the bungles. This season has not been a 4 win unmitigated disaster like the previous 6. I like a lot of what I see. Just needs time and more young talent.

    Couldn't have said it better.

    @manzier said:

    Couldn't have said it better.

    So why was I the first to throw the man a point?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Sunday's game showed how little depth we have in both lines.

    Not to mention QB...

    Really, Ag... It took you until Sunday to see we lacked O-line depth? I thought you were better than that.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @cuwoohio said:

    I agree, but I don't think Hoyer will be here next year, and they are not going into the season with Manziel and Shaw. They will have to get a veteran from free agency not another rookie unless they decide to part ways with Manziel, and I doubt that.

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

    @bbedward said:

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

    Ditto on Hoyer, but still hard to see happening.

    Here's the full list of QB FAs...

    http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/quarterback/

    Actually the name you mentioned that I could see fitting is Locker. Question with him is health, but I see some good with him in our offense... at least the Hoyer version.

    From the link's full list only one or two that interest me although in at least one case I am not sure why:

    - Locker; and

    - Jordan Palmer, the choice I'm a bit at a loss to explain except that I've seen glimpses of his brother from time to time.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • ManzierM Manzier

    @tiamat63 said:

    Draft talk. Walter posted Danny Shelton. So I went and took quite a look at him. No thanks, I'd still prefer Malcolm Brown.

    I hope they take ALL of Walters 52 upcoming "need" picks...... Then we will be spared about 537 "who we shoulda picked" threads..

    @manzier said:

    I hope they take ALL of Walters 52 upcoming "need" picks...... Then we will be spared about 537 "who we shoulda picked" threads..

    Upon what do you base your optimism?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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