National Geographic - The War On Science
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One section at a time. In the biomedical section I agree with the scientists on every issue. The one I have a problem with is research on animals. If it's necessary, I mean really necessary, I'm okay with it though I don't particularly love it. If it's not truly necessary and starts to overlap with animal cruelty which I believe it can then... The rest fine with me.
WSS
Animal testing is probably miserable for every animal involved, but IUCACs are in place at every US research facility to make sure the animals are treated as humanely as possible while still meeting the needs of the research project. Animal research cannot be conducted without IUCAC approval. Nearly every Nobel prize for Physiology and Medicine has been awarded to research that utilized an animal model. Without animal research, medicine wouldn't even be a shadow of what it is today.
Here's a list of those Nobel prizes and the animals they used: http://www.animalresearch.info/en/medical-advances/nobel-prizes/
Animal testing is probably miserable for every animal involved, but IUCACs are in place at every US research facility to make sure the animals are treated as humanely as possible while still meeting the needs of the research project. Animal research cannot be conducted without IUCAC approval. Nearly every Nobel prize for Physiology and Medicine has been awarded to research that utilized an animal model. Without animal research, medicine wouldn't even be a shadow of what it is today.
Here's a list of those Nobel prizes and the animals they used: http://www.animalresearch.info/en/medical-advances/nobel-prizes/
Oh I'm not disputing the benefits. I just don't like it and what to make sure there's absolutely no unnecessary cruelty allowed.
WSS
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bio med sciences aside-
the chart above isnt only skewed towards the left, its an obama led paradigm shift!
I mean every red blooded tea party libertarian republican WANTS fracking
the wimpy fracking total above smacks of liberal mass transit types!
also - no self respecting republican will agree with such high total favoritism with bio fuels!
it costs more $$ to develop than to offset benefit!
our motto on spending money for failed endeavors are an anathema
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I'd rather test in humanely on convicted murderers. No shortage of them and fuck em.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I'd rather test in humanely on convicted murderers. No shortage of them and fuck em.
I'd rather test in humanely on convicted murderers. No shortage of them and fuck em.
Like Unit 731? No thanks.
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I'd rather test in humanely on convicted murderers. No shortage of them and fuck em.
Let them give something back to society.I'd rather test in humanely on convicted murderers. No shortage of them and fuck em.
Tell me the results wouldn't have a great deal of benefit, Vapor.
Needs of the one versus needs of the many?
WSS
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Cuz fuck all that "freedom" stuff our country likes to talk about
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bio med sciences aside-
the chart above isnt only skewed towards the left, its an obama led paradigm shift!
I mean every red blooded tea party libertarian republican WANTS fracking
the wimpy fracking total above smacks of liberal mass transit types!
also - no self respecting republican will agree with such high total favoritism with bio fuels!
it costs more $$ to develop than to offset benefit!
our motto on spending money for failed endeavors are an anathema
bio med sciences aside-
the chart above isnt only skewed towards the left, its an obama led paradigm shift!
I mean every red blooded tea party libertarian republican WANTS fracking
the wimpy fracking total above smacks of liberal mass transit types!
also - no self respecting republican will agree with such high total favoritism with bio fuels!
it costs more $$ to develop than to offset benefit!
our motto on spending money for failed endeavors are an anathema
If these items were shifted as you perceive them then it would just further make tho article's point
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I'd rather test in humanely on convicted murderers. No shortage of them and fuck em.
Like Unit 731? No thanks.
Are you talking about the Japanese? I doubt many scientists would perform thr kind of things they were doing and it was disgusting but they weren't testing on the dregs of society but plain old subjugated citizens.Like Unit 731? No thanks.
And Like it or not they made medical advances
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Cuz fuck all that "freedom" stuff our country likes to talk about
You give up your freedom when you're a convicted murderer. That's the whole point of prison.
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Cuz fuck all that "freedom" stuff our country likes to talk about
You give up your freedom when you're a convicted murderer. That's the whole point of prison.
Wait, what?? Really?You give up your freedom when you're a convicted murderer. That's the whole point of prison.
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people in prison are free? News to me.
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I would think maybe asking death row inmates if they wanted to volunteer for experimental treatments and other such things would be ethically fine. But forcing prisoners to submit to medical tests and procedures would make us another Nazi Germany.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I would think maybe asking death row inmates if they wanted to volunteer for experimental treatments and other such things would be ethically fine. But forcing prisoners to submit to medical tests and procedures would make us another Nazi Germany.
I would think maybe asking death row inmates if they wanted to volunteer for experimental treatments and other such things would be ethically fine. But forcing prisoners to submit to medical tests and procedures would make us another Nazi Germany.
Well just to be the devil's advocate we do require them to submit to the gas chamber or whatever form of execution the state uses...
WSS
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Nazi Germany experimented on innocent people. Children even. Convicted murderers can fuck themselves. They have no value to society so I could care about their rights.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Nazi Germany experimented on innocent people. Children even. Convicted murderers can fuck themselves. They have no value to society so I could care about their rights.
And though I can't provide exact numbers I would assume that only a tiny fraction of murderers wind up on death row, and those that do have probably committed the most heinous of crimes.Nazi Germany experimented on innocent people. Children even. Convicted murderers can fuck themselves. They have no value to society so I could care about their rights.
WSS
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I would think maybe asking death row inmates if they wanted to volunteer for experimental treatments and other such things would be ethically fine. But forcing prisoners to submit to medical tests and procedures would make us another Nazi Germany.
I would think maybe asking death row inmates if they wanted to volunteer for experimental treatments and other such things would be ethically fine. But forcing prisoners to submit to medical tests and procedures would make us another Nazi Germany.
Holy shit... I agree
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I would think maybe asking death row inmates if they wanted to volunteer for experimental treatments and other such things would be ethically fine. But forcing prisoners to submit to medical tests and procedures would make us another Nazi Germany.
I would think maybe asking death row inmates if they wanted to volunteer for experimental treatments and other such things would be ethically fine. But forcing prisoners to submit to medical tests and procedures would make us another Nazi Germany.
^This
Sorry Cysko, but there's nothing humane about conducting medical tests on a subject who understands what's going on and is unwilling.
It's not any different than what unit 731 did. 731's atrocious acts made Mengele and the Nazis look like girl scouts. Here's a wiki on them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
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Nazi Germany experimented on innocent people. Children even. Convicted murderers can fuck themselves. They have no value to society so I could care about their rights.
Nazi Germany experimented on innocent people. Children even. Convicted murderers can fuck themselves. They have no value to society so I could care about their rights.
People are saying all of this stuff like only terrible dictatorships are capable of it. The Tuskegee experiments in the US infected healthy black men with syphilis under the false pretense of immunizations. I'd rather we not go back down that road.
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Not the mention the U.S Army gave some servicemen LSD without their knowledge I believe back in the 1950's. I'll have to google it.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Not the mention the U.S Army gave some servicemen LSD without their knowledge I believe back in the 1950's. I'll have to google it.
Not the mention the U.S Army gave some servicemen LSD without their knowledge I believe back in the 1950's. I'll have to google it.
I watched a documentary on that once
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