Resign Sheard and pay Taylor
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Sheard refused?.....where did you hear that?....they were talking contract earlier this year...
and where is Taylor going?
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
WTF are you talking about. Taylor has been injured.....but has played well when he has been in there.
We are talking about Phil Taylor.....Defensive Tackle for the Cleveland Browns. I am not sure which Phil Taylor you are talking about.
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
When we had Phil Taylor for the Thursday night game, the Bungles had no answer, they couldn't run cause of the beast in the middle and they couldn't pass cause Dalton is ass cheeks, and bam, Brownies 24 Bungles 3
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Phil hasn't been a bust at all. He's been a steady presence and solid contributor. Not all first round picks are rockstars or busts. Some just end up being effective, its that simple.
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Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Sheard refused?.....where did you hear that?....they were talking contract earlier this year...
and where is Taylor going?
Sheard refused?.....where did you hear that?....they were talking contract earlier this year...
and where is Taylor going?
Taylor is going nowhere this year.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/phil-taylor/
Yeah- I would think Sheard would at least listen to offers.
But- sounds like the Browns aren't interested. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6597/jabaal-sheard
Rubin will definitely either be cut or seriously restructured- not worth anything close to $8 million.
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Another thing to consider in this is that the FA defensive tackle market is pretty impressive this year. Rubin had a pretty disappointing year, I wouldn't mind letting him go and either drafting a DT or picking up one in FA.
I'm not crazy about Taylor but as I understand his salary is full counted against the cap even if we cut him.
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Another thing to consider in this is that the FA defensive tackle market is pretty impressive this year. Rubin had a pretty disappointing year, I wouldn't mind letting him go and either drafting a DT or picking up one in FA.
I'm not crazy about Taylor but as I understand his salary is full counted against the cap even if we cut him.
Another thing to consider in this is that the FA defensive tackle market is pretty impressive this year. Rubin had a pretty disappointing year, I wouldn't mind letting him go and either drafting a DT or picking up one in FA.
I'm not crazy about Taylor but as I understand his salary is full counted against the cap even if we cut him.
Of ESPN/Polian's top rated FA DTs.....four of them come from the Lions:
1. Suh Lions
2. Terence Knighton Denver
3. Jared Odrick Miami
4. Terrell McClain Dallas
5. CJ Mosley Lions
6. Alan Branch, Pats
7. Dwan Edwards Panthers
8. Nick Fairly Lions
9. Andre Fluellen Lions
10. Kevin Vickers KC
Polian actually ranked Sion Fua ahead of Rubin. Not so sure about that.
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With the exveption of suh...we should really make some offers to players on that list. Phil needs a running mate. We cant fold on the middle if he gets hurt again
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Another thing to consider in this is that the FA defensive tackle market is pretty impressive this year. Rubin had a pretty disappointing year, I wouldn't mind letting him go and either drafting a DT or picking up one in FA.
I'm not crazy about Taylor but as I understand his salary is full counted against the cap even if we cut him.
Of ESPN/Polian's top rated FA DTs.....four of them come from the Lions:
1. Suh Lions
2. Terence Knighton Denver
3. Jared Odrick Miami
4. Terrell McClain Dallas
5. CJ Mosley Lions
6. Alan Branch, Pats
7. Dwan Edwards Panthers
8. Nick Fairly Lions
9. Andre Fluellen Lions
10. Kevin Vickers KC
Polian actually ranked Sion Fua ahead of Rubin. Not so sure about that.
Of ESPN/Polian's top rated FA DTs.....four of them come from the Lions:
1. Suh Lions
2. Terence Knighton Denver
3. Jared Odrick Miami
4. Terrell McClain Dallas
5. CJ Mosley Lions
6. Alan Branch, Pats
7. Dwan Edwards Panthers
8. Nick Fairly Lions
9. Andre Fluellen Lions
10. Kevin Vickers KC
Polian actually ranked Sion Fua ahead of Rubin. Not so sure about that.
Surprised Wilfork isn't on that list but I suppose age is getting to him. The top 4 of that list are very good though-Knighton would be a solid FA pickup but I'm not sure what his price tag is going to be.
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That list was probably made before wilfork came free
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Polian is a tard. Rubin is a good space eater but isn't someone I want to over pay. He offers nothing in the pass rush so we should be able to find a young hungry guy to fill his role.
I think we're ok at nose tackle with Phil Taylor and John Hughes. We need to focus on getting another versatile DE to solidify our front 7
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Polian is a tard. Rubin is a good space eater but isn't someone I want to over pay. He offers nothing in the pass rush so we should be able to find a young hungry guy to fill his role.
I think we're ok at nose tackle with Phil Taylor and John Hughes. We need to focus on getting another versatile DE to solidify our front 7
Polian is a tard. Rubin is a good space eater but isn't someone I want to over pay. He offers nothing in the pass rush so we should be able to find a young hungry guy to fill his role.
I think we're ok at nose tackle with Phil Taylor and John Hughes. We need to focus on getting another versatile DE to solidify our front 7
I think we're good at the 5 tech, imo, with the Bryant's.
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
When we had Phil Taylor for the Thursday night game, the Bungles had no answer, they couldn't run cause of the beast in the middle and they couldn't pass cause Dalton is ass cheeks, and bam, Brownies 24 Bungles 3
When we had Phil Taylor for the Thursday night game, the Bungles had no answer, they couldn't run cause of the beast in the middle and they couldn't pass cause Dalton is ass cheeks, and bam, Brownies 24 Bungles 3
100% agree with this. I was at that game and seen first hand just how much of a disruption big phil was to that offense. Wasnt anywhere close to 100% and every time i saw him he was fired up and talkin shit and smashing someone. I remember thinking to myself what a force he could of been last year of he woulda stayed healthy.
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It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it.
Your past girlfriends haven't won any awards but I bet you were pretty pissed when they left you.
Same thing here. They may be ugly bitches, but they are our ugly bitches.
Your past girlfriends haven't won any awards but I bet you were pretty pissed when they left you.
Same thing here. They may be ugly bitches, but they are our ugly bitches.
Try to keep in mind that just 2 seasons ago our defense was top 8 for 15 weeks, and top 11 after the season. I know that doesn't mean much, but players like Sheard, and Taylor helped us get there.
Taylor due to injuries may come at a cheaper price also.
Personally I believe in the old adage, if you don't have a replacement, then maybe we shouldn't cut. I know there are other reasons players are cut, but following this simple rule can only help us.
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With the exveption of suh...we should really make some offers to players on that list. Phil needs a running mate. We cant fold on the middle if he gets hurt again
With the exveption of suh...we should really make some offers to players on that list. Phil needs a running mate. We cant fold on the middle if he gets hurt again
We still have Billly Winn and The Sausage King (John Hughes) no? Do you not consider them Phil's running mates?
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Polian is a tard. Rubin is a good space eater but isn't someone I want to over pay. He offers nothing in the pass rush so we should be able to find a young hungry guy to fill his role.
I think we're ok at nose tackle with Phil Taylor and John Hughes. We need to focus on getting another versatile DE to solidify our front 7
I think we're ok at nose tackle with Phil Taylor and John Hughes. We need to focus on getting another versatile DE to solidify our front 7
I agree that Taylor and Hughes looked good(our 2 best DL, actually), though they are our DE's....not NT......(personally, I like putting Taylor back at NT)
I think we're good at the 5 tech, imo, with the Bryant's.
Hmmm.....not sure Im there yet....AB showed a little flash in preseason, but Im not ready to anoint him yet....and Desmond really struggled and was one of our main issues with stopping the run.....yeah, he got a few sacks, but thats about it.....personally, Im hoping AB steps up and takes his job....coaches should know if this is likely or not.....
100% agree with this. I was at that game and seen first hand just how much of a disruption big phil was to that offense. Wasnt anywhere close to 100% and every time i saw him he was fired up and talkin shit and smashing someone. I remember thinking to myself what a force he could of been last year of he woulda stayed healthy.
I think he played great too.....no problems with what he's brought to our run D.....
I will say he was THE ONE who failed the preseason conditioning drills.....so, hearing he showed up out of shape, then spent the season on the injury list, just makes you wonder......
We still have Billly Winn and The Sausage King (John Hughes) no? Do you not consider them Phil's running mates?
Billy Winn?......eh.....very replaceable
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Your choice of the following, Mud:
Leave my Billy alone!
or
Don't you go disrespectin' my Billy!
I'm in tia's camp, Billy needs to slim back down a tad. I thought he was much more effective as a 290-ish DE for Horton than a 305-ish DE for Pet/ O'Neal. The added weight seemed to rob him of the angle-producing quicks his motor churned out two years ago.
Do agree with you on Phil tho. I love him head up on the Center.
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For some reason we have this idea engraved in stone that our NT has to be a 350lb, 2 gap, 0 tech only monster.
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