Jonathan Paul Manziel
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You can keep shooting rainbows out your ass and stay positive, but people spend good money and have a right to bitch and complain when they get screwed over year after year. You dont have to click on the threads or even read them. It will quiet down as moves are made and they are quiet in FA so peeps have nothing to divert to.Personally, I'm just growing tired of the shit-talking pessimists who contribute nothing to this board other than bitching and complaining. This is my attempt to get actual intelligent people like yourself to have conversation, since this requires a little more critical thinking than "MANZIEL is a FUCKING DRUNK and is a FAGGOT" or "fuck haslam fuck the front office fuck farmer we need to shitcan everyone and start over". TC
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So very tired. Apparently, it's been a contest with a few people, to see who could be the worst of it.
I figure Gordon will come back after a year, out of shape, stoned on his ass, get dropped out of training camp...
and he'll sue the NFL for not giving him a chance.....
You can keep shooting rainbows out your ass and stay positive, but people spend good money and have a right to bitch and complain when they get screwed over year after year. You dont have to click on the threads or even read them. It will quiet down as moves are made and they are quiet in FA so peeps have nothing to divert to.
You don't have to spend "good money", either.
Why should everyone else have to suffer because you make terrible financial decisions?
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Zombo said:
Got away with his girl. Still in rehab. Still 5'11. Still overwhelmed by speed of NFL game.
Z
Still an NFL quarterback, unlike us. Dude's yucking it up.
Still an NFL quarterback, unlike us. Dude's yucking it up.
Yeah, I know, but when you get to my age you don't much care about them as a person anymore, just fucking win.
20 years of heartbreak followed by 20 years of pain and crappy football leaves you a little jaded.
I don't care about your private life, it's all about "what can you do for my Browns". With Johnny so far it's .... not much.
Zombo
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Teams are looking to trade up for Mariota when Manziel is arguably more talented. Clean Johnny could turn into a Steve Young type talent. Running backs run Johnny. Stay at home and off the booze.
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Who bought a manziel Jersey. Miktoxic, woody, zombo........,
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I don't give up on him as quickly as most of you guys do. Give him a real line that allows more than 2 seconds and better play calling/design that takes advantage of what he can do rather than stuffing him in a system and you may see the real reason he holds a lot of major SEC records. You only saw a shadow of the real Johnny Football. He's a competitive person and when rehab is done he will show the kind of dedication you all expected rather than a guy trying to live up to a name he never asked for. He has the right QB coach and the right OC to give him the best shot at being a real NFL player. I'm banking on the fact he has always taken up the challenge in the past and done the things he needed to do AFTER he won the Heisman to make himself a better player. That now includes putting himself through a very humbling rehab. process that has put him up to ridicule here and elsewhere.
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I don't give up on him as quickly as most of you guys do. Give him a real line that allows more than 2 seconds and better play calling/design that takes advantage of what he can do rather than stuffing him in a system and you may see the real reason he holds a lot of major SEC records. You only saw a shadow of the real Johnny Football. He's a competitive person and when rehab is done he will show the kind of dedication you all expected rather than a guy trying to live up to a name he never asked for. He has the right QB coach and the right OC to give him the best shot at being a real NFL player. I'm banking on the fact he has always taken up the challenge in the past and done the things he needed to do AFTER he won the Heisman to make himself a better player. That now includes putting himself through a very humbling rehab. process that has put him up to ridicule here and elsewhere.
I don't give up on him as quickly as most of you guys do. Give him a real line that allows more than 2 seconds and better play calling/design that takes advantage of what he can do rather than stuffing him in a system and you may see the real reason he holds a lot of major SEC records. You only saw a shadow of the real Johnny Football. He's a competitive person and when rehab is done he will show the kind of dedication you all expected rather than a guy trying to live up to a name he never asked for. He has the right QB coach and the right OC to give him the best shot at being a real NFL player. I'm banking on the fact he has always taken up the challenge in the past and done the things he needed to do AFTER he won the Heisman to make himself a better player. That now includes putting himself through a very humbling rehab. process that has put him up to ridicule here and elsewhere.
Did the offensive linemen, OC, and QB coach drive him down to happy hour instead of handing him a playbook? It seems as if you are absolving your substance abusing leprechaun from any blame for how he performed.
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Give him a real line that allows more than 2 seconds and better play calling/design that takes advantage of what he can do rather than stuffing him in a system and you may see the real reason he holds a lot of major SEC records. You only saw a shadow of the real Johnny Football. He's a competitive person and when rehab is done he will show the kind of dedication you all expected rather than a guy trying to live up to a name he never asked for. He has the right QB coach and the right OC to give him the best shot at being a real NFL player. I'm banking on the fact he has always taken up the challenge in the past and done the things he needed to do AFTER he won the Heisman to make himself a better player. That now includes putting himself through a very humbling rehab. process that has put him up to ridicule here and elsewhere. Tex
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I don't think the blocking, even without Mack, was all that bad. It's more like, give him some receivers who
can get open and take off. Without Gordon, they can double Cameron or Hawk, and the secondary and
linebackers just cheat up close to shut down the short/midrange passes. They need a guy like one of the top four
or five wr's, with Hartline, and then you have something for pass defenses to fret over.
Really, Canton Mike and I disagreed about Johnny. I just didn't know if I'd draft him, not knowing
how his skills translated into the NFL game. I wanted Garropolo sp?, but that's in the past.
But he certainly does have skills. And off the charts tenacity, and he loves the game. And very, very smart.
I do disagree with you on one point - JF actually DID "ask" for the notoriety - his "money sign", his wild social life...
but, the kid is serious about getting his life in order, and when he comes back onto the field, watch out. He seems
to be resilient, and very serious to get over whatever he's dealing with - and most of us will want him to succeed.
Good luck to him - I wish him the best, especially in rehab.
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Who bought a manziel Jersey. Miktoxic, woody, zombo........,
Hell no. I will get a Funchess jersey if the opportunity presents itself though
and if it doesn't, I should still get a new jersey. Right now, I have a Braylon jersey haha.
If we resigned Skrine I might have gotten his. Not sure now
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You can keep shooting rainbows out your ass and stay positive, but people spend good money and have a right to bitch and complain when they get screwed over year after year. You dont have to click on the threads or even read them. It will quiet down as moves are made and they are quiet in FA so peeps have nothing to divert to. KV
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A. You are BEING an ass.
B. I know it's stupid, but I'm a positive guy, I was born a middle class, goofball BROWNS FAN comedian child.
C. People make their own decisions. It isn't our fault you are frustrated - who isn't? You think bitching helps?
D. Nobody is getting "screwed over". You think the Browns are trying to piz you off? It is what it is, bad start, wrong fo,
wrong coaches. The Browns have fixed that, and last season was their first. It isn't like they draft in the top three picks.
E. I read them for fun, that's why I've been around here for such a long time. Laughing is good.
F. So, you're whining that the Browns should make stupid, expensive moves in FA, just so you can not bitch so much? really?
G. I admire Farmer, and Pettine - and I'm delighted that Flip replaced Shanny. We're good to go now.
H. Oh, you don't like our upbeatness? Gee..."You dont have to click on the threads or even read them"
I. as in, I don't have to have the Browns go to the playoffs or superbowl, to be a fan. Most of us are that way.
J. You might think you're a "peep", but the rest of us will crow when the Browns get it together this coming season,
and really start having a season better than 7 wins.
K. Yes, that's a prediction, and I'm not a quitter, and I don't bitch. Not very much, anyways......
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I don't give up on him as quickly as most of you guys do. Give him a real line that allows more than 2 seconds and better play calling/design that takes advantage of what he can do rather than stuffing him in a system and you may see the real reason he holds a lot of major SEC records. You only saw a shadow of the real Johnny Football. He's a competitive person and when rehab is done he will show the kind of dedication you all expected rather than a guy trying to live up to a name he never asked for. He has the right QB coach and the right OC to give him the best shot at being a real NFL player. I'm banking on the fact he has always taken up the challenge in the past and done the things he needed to do AFTER he won the Heisman to make himself a better player. That now includes putting himself through a very humbling rehab. process that has put him up to ridicule here and elsewhere.
Did the offensive linemen, OC, and QB coach drive him down to happy hour instead of handing him a playbook? It seems as if you are absolving your substance abusing leprechaun from any blame for how he performed.
Did the offensive linemen, OC, and QB coach drive him down to happy hour instead of handing him a playbook? It seems as if you are absolving your substance abusing leprechaun from any blame for how he performed.
Nope they did not and I think by now he knows where the blame lies and realizes it's time to be Johnny Manziel and not Johnny Football. He fell into a trap and now seems to want out and has taken very serious steps to do so. The very first thing we ever heard out his mouth (since Sumlin did not let freshmen speak to the media) was during a taped fun tape played at Kyle Field (A&M) when players were asked what their nicknames were. Here he was about to win the Heisman and his answer was almost in the form of a question, "Well some people call me Johnny Football, I guess." Then he started trying to live it rather than just continue to be himself, a talented player out of Kerrville, Texas. He got caught up in way too much premature fame and it damn near killed him. I think when rehab is done we just see a talented player from Texas A&M who wants to be the best he can be for the Browns. After this past year he knows it's far harder than he thought it would be.
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The Soldier said:
Why does he DESERVE privacy?
Johnny self-promoted his whole life. That's what he's about. He wants to be in the media and he wants attention. He's all about Hollywood.
Can't have it both ways.
Now does he deserve support, maybe another chance, help? Sure. Just as everyone.
But when you beg for attention, you get it when you want it and when you don't.
And why do you deserve to pry?
WSS
And why do you deserve to pry?
WSS
I don't deserve to pry. Never said it did. Actually read the post and don't apply preconceived opinions to it.
Can't beg for media attention, then get mad when you get it.
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I don't give up on him as quickly as most of you guys do. Give him a real line that allows more than 2 seconds and better play calling/design that takes advantage of what he can do rather than stuffing him in a system and you may see the real reason he holds a lot of major SEC records. You only saw a shadow of the real Johnny Football. He's a competitive person and when rehab is done he will show the kind of dedication you all expected rather than a guy trying to live up to a name he never asked for. He has the right QB coach and the right OC to give him the best shot at being a real NFL player. I'm banking on the fact he has always taken up the challenge in the past and done the things he needed to do AFTER he won the Heisman to make himself a better player. That now includes putting himself through a very humbling rehab. process that has put him up to ridicule here and elsewhere.
I don't give up on him as quickly as most of you guys do. Give him a real line that allows more than 2 seconds and better play calling/design that takes advantage of what he can do rather than stuffing him in a system and you may see the real reason he holds a lot of major SEC records. You only saw a shadow of the real Johnny Football. He's a competitive person and when rehab is done he will show the kind of dedication you all expected rather than a guy trying to live up to a name he never asked for. He has the right QB coach and the right OC to give him the best shot at being a real NFL player. I'm banking on the fact he has always taken up the challenge in the past and done the things he needed to do AFTER he won the Heisman to make himself a better player. That now includes putting himself through a very humbling rehab. process that has put him up to ridicule here and elsewhere.
I'm with you 100%.
Manziel showed me guts & determination before, & showed it again by putting his ego & pride aside by entering rehab. I expect a "renewed & improved" Johnny Manziel to come out of rehab. He's backed himself into a corner, but he's the type kid who comes out fighting. Could I be wrong about Johnny?...Absolutely (and I'll be the 1st to admit that IF I am), but I don't think I am wrong about him & I'm rooting for the kid to succeed.
BTW, I don't yet own a Manziel jersey, but still DO have & wear a Manziel t-shirt I bought at last year's draft party. This 68 year old didn't jump up on a chair cheering his being drafted to give up on him now (same as I have never & will never give up on the Browns).
Mike
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Who bought a manziel Jersey. Miktoxic, woody, zombo........,
I have a #2 jersey, but it says COUCH on the back. Boy was that stupid
I won't buy another jersey until someone deserves my money.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
This isn't my crazy speculation but it does have........ Mariota a brown???
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts/brian-baldinger/245600
Maybe Brian, took a few too many shots to the head during his playing days.....but maybe not....
This isn't my crazy speculation but it does have........ Mariota a brown???
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts/brian-baldinger/245600
Maybe Brian, took a few too many shots to the head during his playing days.....but maybe not....
A little pro-day pile on there by Baldinger???
But looking above the #12, only the Jets passing on MM in favor of Gurley looks odd.
And looking below the #12 through #18 only Beasley looked competitive to spending the 12 on MM...
B. ...I was born a middle class, goofball BROWNS FAN comedian child.
K. Yes, that's a prediction, and I'm not a quitter, and I don't bitch. Not very much, anyways......
K. Not in the football section anyway...
B. Certainly one of the more unique self-descriptions I've read...
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K. Not in the football section anyway...
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Well....that goes without question.
B. Certainly one of the more unique self-descriptions I've read...********************************************
Fact is stranger than true.....
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I don't give up on him as quickly as most of you guys do. Give him a real line that allows more than 2 seconds and better play calling/design that takes advantage of what he can do rather than stuffing him in a system and you may see the real reason he holds a lot of major SEC records. You only saw a shadow of the real Johnny Football. He's a competitive person and when rehab is done he will show the kind of dedication you all expected rather than a guy trying to live up to a name he never asked for. He has the right QB coach and the right OC to give him the best shot at being a real NFL player. I'm banking on the fact he has always taken up the challenge in the past and done the things he needed to do AFTER he won the Heisman to make himself a better player. That now includes putting himself through a very humbling rehab. process that has put him up to ridicule here and elsewhere.
I'm with you 100%.
Manziel showed me guts & determination before, & showed it again by putting his ego & pride aside by entering rehab. I expect a "renewed & improved" Johnny Manziel to come out of rehab. He's backed himself into a corner, but he's the type kid who comes out fighting. Could I be wrong about Johnny?...Absolutely (and I'll be the 1st to admit that IF I am), but I don't think I am wrong about him & I'm rooting for the kid to succeed.
BTW, I don't yet own a Manziel jersey, but still DO have & wear a Manziel t-shirt I bought at last year's draft party. This 68 year old didn't jump up on a chair cheering his being drafted to give up on him now (same as I have never & will never give up on the Browns).
Mike
BTW, I don't yet own a Manziel jersey, but still DO have & wear a Manziel t-shirt I bought at last year's draft party. This 68 year old didn't jump up on a chair cheering his being drafted to give up on him now (same as I have never & will never give up on the Browns).
Didn't out of self-restraint or couldn't?
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